Dick Allen

Yes, $101 million owed after this year. He isn't walking away. If he did, I wouldn't know whether to respect him or call him an idiot. Why can't he rehab and try to earn his money owed?

And that will do it for Leury in 2018.

It is safe to say Kopech is starting tomorrow. If this gets washed, Gio will be spent.

Either Yolmer changed his name again or the guy filling in for Gene Honda during the weekend is a doucebag. He was calling him Yol mare

I think it's a reach to think some games against the 2018 Twins and Royals and Orioles are the difference between him being successful and not. And if he needs all this time to acclimate, isn't it a sign he is not ready? I wouldn't go that far to say he hasn't earned a call up, but if he is going to struggle for quite a while, it would show he needs a bit more seasoning. 2019 right now isn't a contending season. It may be, but a lot would have to go right. Probably a lot more than the recent seasons when the Sox tried to contend. If Kopech can't get his feet under him after 25-30 starts next season, IMO, he wasn't ready.

It says both the organization and player, so extra years of control is still in play. It's total Hahn speak. You think he told you something, when in essence, it's a bunch of nothing.

And if JR isn't around, guess who else probably won't be around, unless things go as well as hoped? RH/KW probably aren't that concerned with the extra year of control.

The extra year of control also helps if the team isn't the juggernaut we all hope, and they have to think about selling guys off again. Granted, 7 years from now it may not matter at all, but what are the odds his starts this last month or so are going to matter? By the time these guys become free agents, there probably is a pretty decent chance Jerry won't be running the White Sox.

That's where I'm at. If the Sox were in contention and needed reinforcements, if he was nails the first couple of months and every excuse in the book to keep him down was weaker than the one before,...that's a different thing. But a month and a half pitching meaningless games vs. many teams that will be featuring glorified AAA line ups, I just don't see much developement benefit in that. Nothing that couldn't also be accomplished in 2019. I think what they gave up in control blows away anthing they can gain at this point, if there even is anything to really gain.

I just feel if he had finished out the AAA season , he would have been fine pitching 180 innings next year, if that does happen. If it does, a lot of things went right, which is good.

You really think he will make 33 starts next year? He isn't exactly Mark Buehrle. He averaged 5.4 innings per start in AA, and 5.25 this season. Getting it up to 6 in the major leagues next year might happen, but it doesn't seem realistic. That's one reason I don't think the innings thing is that big of a deal. Plus, the White Sox have a history of getting guys to increase their load in a year. Check Sale, Garland, Danks.

That is 30 starts at 6 innings. I would bet against it, unless he really has found some command, and it isn't just close enough for lesser players to swing at.

What's ironic are those who say don't worry about service time, it's a ways off, yet complain the Sox don't spend like crazy on 15 and 16 year olds from other countries. The argument here is, this is a month and a half, where he mostly will be facing AAA line ups. We know they aren't doing anything this year, so why not roll the dice and have him wait? I do see some posts about innings. Does anyone really think Kopech is going to pitch 180 innings in 2019 at the major league level? He would have to make almost all of his starts, and average more innings per start than he ever has averaged. IMO, his innings, if he was shut down at the end of the AAA season would have been plenty to push what he is more realistic in pitching next year. Whatever. It will be interesting seeing what he can do. I just hope this month and a half doesn't haunt them in the future. We have seen pitchers get this late season look, including a White Sox Cy Young award winner, and it doesn't translate into taking off the next year.

The only thing it could screw up are those who bought tickets to see Kopech pitch. I doubt they would just skip Giolito.

I will say, if they were only going to pick one for the service time, right now, I'm glad it's Eloy.

I will give you guys credit trying to spin something positive out of a guy who leads the league in runs given up, walks and HBP.

I think the Sox have a better team record during Giolito starts than the Mets do when DeGrom starts, and his ERA is 1.71. Giolito's ERA in July was 5.28 and August 5.50. That won't get it done. The White Sox winning percentage is going to increase because the vast majority of teams they are playing aren't fighting for their playoff lives. It's teams playing out the string. They beat KC, who cares. They beat Det, who cares? They probably will be Minnesota, who cares? This 16-16 is all because they beat Tampa 3 times. Again, who cares? They play good teams, motivated, they lose. What matters are the guys that are going to be here. If the Sox win games because of guys who aren't, how does that make the rebuild closer to working?

They won 3 in Tampa, and took 2 out of 3 vs. KC and Det, 2 horrible teams. Other than that, they have continued to suck. But they should be a little better as they play teams playing out the string or pretty much having their playoff fates sealed when they play them. They always have a chance when Rodon is pitching, and Covey is either really good or really bad, but the other starters haven't really stepped it up. The bullpen, for the most part with what's there, who cares? Abreu came out of his slump, Narvaez is hitting, but is he really an answer behind the plate? Other than that, and an occassional Palka HR, I don't see what has changed.

In between innings, they were hawking Kopech jerseys available now at Sports Depot at the park.

If he were never to recover. If he does have surgery, the extra year of control in exchange for some September starts is a tremendous trade.

I put both your posts together. You said something was best for their development, then denied it. Then accusedme of saying they don’t deserve a call up, which never happened. Very strange.

No one has said they don't deserve a call up, but with where the team is, and the current rules, it makes little sense. If you had enough money yo buy exactly one lottery ticket and you were told this week's was worth $500 million but you had zero chance to win, and next week's was worth $500 k, but you did have a slight chance to win, what are you going to buy? Kopechs innings will be fine. He isn't going to go 180 innings next season anyways. The vast majority of pitchers Eloy would face in September should be in AAA, and he supposedly does not gain anything from that anyway. So save the service time. If they had a shot at a wild card, it would be a different story I get it's more likely than not the service time issue will be moot. But there is a chance it will be valuable. Far more valuable than a September call up during a rebuild.

You might want to re read what you wrote. You said if they were doing what is best for their development, Eloy would have been called up last month, and Kopech after 2 more starts.

I have examples of guys who stayed down the extra time and still were stars. I have examples of guys called up in September and shining, who wound up doing nothing in their career. If not playing in the major leagues next month is going to hurt these guys, they weren’t going to be good anyway.

That isn’t what I am saying. Dude. You are saying that not calling them up is hurting their development. Prove it. Give an example of someone who spent too much time in the minor leagues. Someone who would have been a building block had they just beeen called up in September. I can list guys who were great in September and sucked when the bell rang for spring training. These guys have taken their Septembers off their entire professional careers. Kopech even served a lengthy suspension, yet, somehow, some way they are still considered elite prospects. They still were able to develop. I don’t know how, but I think it’s a sign they will be OK if they go home in a couple of weeks and show up at Soxfest in January. Calling them up now would be a waste. Meaningless games, many against teams similarly situated, makes them basically spring training games. They might get something out of it, but nothing that would leave them far behind next year, especially if they are as good as you think. Sending them home is a small price to pay for the extra control. And as long as they perform well, that extra year will be quite valuable whether the team is good or bad at that point. They would either be huge pieces of a contender or trade bait. Now, they would be playing glorified spring training games.