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QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 25, 2018 -> 06:51 PM) I have pretty sure 3B is going to be a hole for awhile if not plugged It is so much a hole, people are counting on the White Sox spending $350 million to fill it on a guy who wants to play SS., and for the Yankees. What can possibly go wrong with that plan?

It is February 25th. If you are taking anything out of the results so far, you are making a mistake.

Game Night was pretty entertaining. Not going to win any awards but worth your time.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 25, 2018 -> 01:57 PM) Actually it makes it much easier, as those who are qualified and trusted are failing. Their training was most likely lacking. I believe the town was called one of the safest in th country so their law enforcement is probably like Andy Taylor in Mayberry. And the odds of your school being attacked are pretty small, so the SRO more than likely was not nearly as on guard as he would have needed to be , which is human nature. If he was on guard all the time at a miminal threat place, most probably wouldn’t want him around their kids. If it so easy to arm and train teachers properly, why don’t we use the funds and train the people paid to protect not just students, but all of us properly? And do them a favor and cut back on guns, and make it more difficult to get one? Trump was all over increasing the age to purchase, but quickly changed the subject when he found out the NRA was not on board. I wonder what happened to his deal where he couldn’t be influenced by special interest money.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 07:21 PM) Monte Morris but as of now it's just that he may have had a meal paid for. It is ridiculous that ISU would have its name dragged through this on every list for something like that. I am pretty sure there are more schools that have violated that rule than have not.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 25, 2018 -> 07:16 AM) This idea is just crazy and I’m pretty sure you know that. Let’s put guys, many of whom already have problems with ptsd and issues integrating back into society, into a school with a directive to protect against a possible school shooter. What happens if one of them sees something that isn’t there and opens fire on the kids? Are we going to vet all of them for mental health? Because that seems to be quite an issue right now with normal people, much less trained war veterans. I don’t want my kids going to school where someone with a gun is patrolling the halls at all times comparing it to a war https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02...rd-schools.html I agree with this. And I still don’t know how one person is going to protect a whole school. Once he or she is taken out, it’s, over. Ban AR 15s. Sorry gun enthusiasts, you can still shoot your guns, just not these. These idiots ruined it for you. Deal with it. You deal with taking your shoes and belt off and getting groped when you fly. You deal with having to light up your cigarettes outside. You deal with being forced to wear a seat belt in a car, and wearing a helmet when riding a motorcycle. And you do so because they all make common sense. Just like taking these weapons away.

I would say due to the amount of guys who figured it out permanently at age 29, the fact that he is pretty bad at firstbase cutting the teams where he could be flipped in half, a big no on Logan Morrison.

Game just started on delay on MLBN. The Mariners color guy sounds just like Fred Hoiberg.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 03:01 PM) But given the small chance he pulls a Heyward I think teams are going to want three years minimum in exchange for guaranteeing him 10 at a near record rate. I just don’t see it. All it takes is one team. If you are the Yankees, and know the guy grew up a huge Yankees fan and has always wanted to play for you, and know the chances of him leaving you are more likely smaller than other teams, if that got the deal done, I am pretty sure they do it. Some teams may use the logic Balta used and say if he leaves we can redirect that money elsewhere. Who knows, maybe even the White Sox.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 02:51 PM) I don’t think any team gives him an opt-out after two years. Need to get at least three guaranteed years to take on that much downside risk. It is possible, but you do get him for what should be 2 of his most productive years, and as we all know, these really long contracts normally look horrible at the end, so if he leaves you avoid that. For teams that are WS ready, it is a perk you might hand out. Probably if it is a 10 year contract the first one would be after year 3, but if it is for 7 or 8 the more likely it is after year 2.Heyward got one after year 3, and has another after year 4 based on PA. Machado is in a different class.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 02:40 PM) You are literally grasping at straws here. Machado won’t get an opt-out after two years if he signs a 10 year deal like expected. Maybe after three years, hopefully after four. Regardless, Manny Machado getting an opt-out three or four into our competive window is fine if that’s what it takes to land him. Giving Mike Moustakas an opt-out is beyond idiotic. I can’t believe you’re still arguing for this. I am not arguing a Moustakas opt out. Just pointing out Machado will get an opt out or two or three if he signs for 10 years. You wanted the Sox to sign JD Martinez. He has an opt out after year 2. It wouldn’t surprise me if Machado got one after 2 years. That would be about peak career time, and a great time to cash in even more. If opt outs before or during winning windows is a problem, they are going to have a tough time giving away their money.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 02:32 PM) If you're worried about having Machado with an opt-out in 2021 and that might hurt our 2022 world series chances in a thread about how we should sign Mike Moustakas now when he'll be 33 that year...well I think that basically is my point. Big difference. The money you pointed out would be available if Machado opted out, would stil be available. As would the money you would have paid him if he signed elsewhere to begin with.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 02:30 PM) You’re far too optimistic on the 2020 thing imo and having that type of high paying player with an opt out at the start of the contention window is yet another variable that makes roster planning that much more difficult. Yes. If they sign Machado, they better be able to compete right away. Personally reading that he grew up dreaming of the Yankees andhe can go enter a line up the Yankees can put together,, and the Yankees don’t have a history of being outbid, I don’t see a lot of hope he will sign with a team that maybe wins 75 games in 2018. But there is a chance. He would probably demand to play SS. Unless he is just awful there this season, that shouldn’t be a deal breaker. But the more you hear, the more remote the Sox chances seem, even if they are willing to pony up the cash.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 02:19 PM) How is that relevant? You said you would have no problem with the Sox acquiring Trout. I am just point out that his cost would cause you a problem.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 02:14 PM) How is that relevant? Very relevant. Does he fit the rebuild if he opts out after 2 years?

Machado certainly will have an opt out or 2 in his deal.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 01:25 PM) They took on >$20 million a year to pick up a top of the league pitcher. I don't care how the White Sox do it. There's nothing wrong with doing so in a trade. If the Angels want to make Mike Trout available am I going to be mad that we had to trade for the player that put us over the top rather than signing a free agent? God no. The Sox can make their call about what guy fits them best after they play this season, but this piddling "Mike Moustakas/Todd Frazier/Jeff Samardzija is good enough!" thinking is what we needed to throw in the trash after 2015. We know how this game works out. You would have a problem with the White Sox trading for Trout once you saw what it cost them in prospects.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 01:28 PM) If this team isn't willing to spend what it takes to bring in the kind of guys that can actually push this team over the top, because they've decided they just wont spend that much, then you're right. If they're not willing to spend money when they have plenty of money to spend, then you're right - they should have just kept spending $110 million a year and been satisfied with 4th place and 75 wins. Hell, this year they'd probably have moved up to 3rd after the Royals fall back. Being willing to spend it doesn't mean it will happen. Others are willing to spend it too.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 12:10 PM) Oh so you're operating on an entirely different assumption of his "likely" contract than anyone else involved in the conversation has been using, but haven't found the time to mention that until now. And your assumption has him, for some unknown reason, agreeing to be paid like a bench player for FOUR YEARS. And I'm the one being purposely deceptive with my numbers. BS I mentioned discount 100 tmes and mentioned my term earler. I think if the Sox thought it was OK for a guy to be aound for 2 years and influence others, they may have gone after Frazier for what he ultimately settled. I have said many times it is unlikely Borax would settle for what the team is willing to pay.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 10:55 AM) Where did anyone get the idea that 2019 was part of the window? The only way this team is even competing for a WC spot in 2019 is with a mega signing like Machado, which is why signing Moustakas now makes no sense. Hahn has been hinting 2020 for some time, but recent articles have stated their timeline has been pushed up. If Giolito, Kopech, and Lopez, and Rodon are ready to really pitch in 2019, and Mocada and Jimenez are ready to go, and Anderson takes a couple of steps forward, you are pretty much right there. It may be depend on Cleveland and Minnesota a bit. I was around for the last toal rebuild and the 1990 season. They were hoping to be back to some winning ways for the opening of the new park in 1991. But in 1990 they had the second best record in the AL and 3rd best in baseball, and this was with only a couple of months of Frank Thomas. Of course they didn’t make the playoffs that year. But easily would if history repeated itself. The Cubs also were a year ahead of where they thought they would be.

Sean Miller caught on an FBI wire tap discussing a $100k payment to a recruit. He is done, but his contact is written where he gets 85% of his remaining money even if fired for cause. $10.3 million parting gift for getting the school in trouble and embarrassed. It is funny Jason Terry is leading the charge against this guy. He got caught taking money at Arizona.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 10:34 AM) How? You can only get a qualifying offer once? Yes. I edited my post, when I realized it. Still, if makes sense if 2019 is the year you expect to start contending. If not then the opt out after year 2would be a deal breaker, the fact remains that there are terms where this makes a lot of sense to the White Sox. I don’t think it will get that far, but like the White Sox actually signing Manny Machado, chances aren’t zero.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 10:16 AM) Effectively paying Moose $24M to “win some games” in 2019, losing a high draft pick & corresponding $2M in bonus pool, and then having a hole at 3B again heading into the 2020 seasonon is just dumb, dumb, dumb. Surely you can’t be serious with this proposal. I honestly feel like you’re trolling me right now. You’re usually one of the more logical posters around here, but this idea is just pure insanity. As for Kemp, sure I’d take his contract for a high-end prospect. We just spent $50M on Robert. If I can get Verdugo for eating the remaining $43M I’d certainly do that. The Dodgers won’t so the point is moot anyways. You would get a pick back if he opted out. Edit.I think his comp is done.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 10:01 AM) An opt-out at all would be absolutely stupid. Why are we spending $12M on a lost season AND giving up a high 2nd round pick to have an average-ish player for only one season in which we’re trying to compete? I’d demand Hahn be fired on the spot if he made such a dumb move. Whether we could add Arenado or Rendon after the fact is completely irrelevant to the decision to give Moose a deal with an opt-out clause. The only benefit to any potential Moose deal is cheap long-term control, the moment you give that up all logic for the Sox goes out the window. As I wrote, and opt out after year 1 would make no sense.Weren’t you all over paying Matt Kemp $43 million just as long as they sent over a decent prospect? You value these guys way too much. The second round prospect isn’t a deal breaker. If Moustakas opted out in 2019, and it was a contending year, chances are he help you win some games. That’s far more than you can say about the $43 million you had no problem the White Sox paying Kemp.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 09:54 AM) I find this comment to be insulting. Just because I don’t agree with a potential move, doesn’t mean I’d hate the actual player if they were added to the team. Moose isn’t a bad player or some sort of scumbag. I’d have absolutely no will towards him. I simply don’t align with the strategy behind adding him. There’s nothing personal about this. You say he is average if he is a 3B and bad if he is anything else; and wouldn’t agree with his presence. You would be pissed off he is with the team.