Dick Allen

Sale sucks. He's a psycho bad guy bad teammate with no balls who can't win big games. And Hahn should be fired for not getting more for him. What happens if Sale is unhittable next start? I do think the Sale as a bad actor thing is old. Yeah he ridiculously cut up some jerseys, but I've never read anything where any teammate ever had a problem with him. Quite the opposite. And if Sale is a bad guy, why would anyone like Kopech? He was suspended 50 games for PEDs and broke his hand fighting a teammate.

Saladino sucked, but until a roster crunch actually happens, there is no need to do anything with him. Who knows what trades will be made, and as of now, there is plenty of room on the 40 man roster. How much of his performance can be attributed to his back, and what is the prognosis? If his back injury isn't going to get better, and is the reason he sucked, sure waive him. But right now, why? Who knows what next year brings? . A healthy Saladino, and who knows if he ever will be healthy again, still may be better than a couple of guys who jumped ahead of him this year. It doesn't look good for him, but until the moment comes where a decision has to be made, why make the decision? There are still a couple on the Sox 40 man I would get rid of before him.

QUOTE (Soha @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 08:15 AM) Basabe was a lottery ticket that some scouts loved. Unfortunately for us, he went the wrong way once he came here. You win some and you lose some. He certainly wasn't very good this year, but he's 20 years old, and it wasn't like he was Courtney Hawkins bad. I'd wait a bit before writing him off.

If the Sox had hung on to Sale and he had the same regular season he had this year, they would still get a ton for him. It all depends on how these guys develop. If Kopech is a stud and Moncada is a stud, there shouldn't be any complaints. The other pieces were filler, maybe one works out. During a rebuild, it's probably not worth the risk holding him another year in hopes of a slightly better package. Too much can go wrong. If the offers were light, absolutely. That's what Hahn did with Q, and got what right now seems like a better package than the rumored Pittsburgh package that a lot of people liked. Right now, Kopech is way better than advertised. If he is a TOR guy, the Sox got great value. It all comes down to how they eventually perform, and nothing is guaranteed with prospects. Some of these guys are going to bust. The good news to me is a couple on no radar might actually develop into something. The one thing I took out of this season is there does seem to be hope the White Sox develop someone with not much fanfare into a useful player. It's been a while.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 07:21 AM) Clayton Kershaw has sucked in the postseason too, I guess nobody would want him on their team either. Yeah, the Sale bashing is lame.

Jim Kaat was interesting l he said his performance wasn't because he is a spaz or doesn't have the balls to pitch in the postseason. He said his arm angle was down a bit due to fatigue and it flattened out his pitches.

Sale is gassed.

Funny thing is, this guy was a law abiding citizen until he wasn't. I also love reading about other countries. No one has the guns the US does, and this type of thing doesn't happen as often. For the love of God, everyone packing a gun isn't going to make violence go away. Look at Chicago. It's gangs vs. gangs, both are armed. They are not deterred.

Trump had a wonderful time in Las Vegas according to his tweet.

The shooter had apparently reserved 2 rooms overlooking Grant Park at the Blackstone during Lollapolooza. He never showed up.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/politics/tim...tion/index.html Seems a co sponsor of the abortion bill , with a 100% score from the Natioanl,Right to Life, wanted his girlfriend to get an abortion.

Isn't Teump kind of stuck with the moron comment? He can't fire him because then he admits its true and how much worse can a President look than having his SoS call him a f***ing moron? And despite his, appearances are important to Trump. In a way Tillerson has him checkmated here, and maybe he or one of his buddies leaked it to jab at Trump and tie his hands all at the same time. If ithey did, it was a genius move.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) There were people out there that were plenty upset about Tatis, thinking he might be a pretty prospect, I certainly wasn't one of them. And I don't agree with Greensox on anything but I think it's completely fair to say that the Sox didn't know what they had in Tatis. I mean, they clearly didn't. No one did. Even the great Theo signed 9 international players to larger bonuses. The Sox gave Franklin Reyes $1.5 million. He's got a .542 OPS. Lucius Fox got $6 million. I bet you couldn't trade him straight up now.

He may have been casing a Chance the Rapper concert a couple of weeks ago. If he was, and maybe I'm wrong, but it would appear that he wasn't targeting a specific group of people. I would think the audience for these shows would be quite different. Supposedly he was a country music guy so maybe just killing lots of people and becoming famous was the motivation. Maybe they have a note or something, but it doesn't seem normal that after this amount of time, there appears to be no solid motive.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 02:31 PM) See, this is the part that I don't get. With as strong as the gun lobby is in this country, we're infinitely closer to Medicare For All than we are to the government taking our guns away - and I don't think we're particularly close to actually having Medicare For All enacted. Because firearms are not titled, they are really, really easy to sell to basically anybody on the secondary market right? Maybe I'm missing something here because I'm not a gun owner, and if I am, someone can educate me otherwise... I would venture to guess most of the guns used in Chicago killings weren't purchased at the local gun store.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) I totally agree. As I said I think a logical place to start is somehow limiting high capacity magazines. However, I also understand the idea of "when does it stop." Simple things like when the government made seat belts mandatory. People fought it saying that they will eventually fine people for not wearing them. The government response was always that they just wanted to help make people safer and would not ticket people for choosing not to. A couple decades later it changes. A lot of stuff is like that but it winds up being better. The situation evolves. Anyone still really pissed off there is no smoking in bars? They would all go out of business... How many here are old enough, and you don't have to be that old, when people smoking in the office was no big deal? Now, not only do people not smoke in bars or in the office, they don't do it in their cars, and go outside even at home. If it's all about safety, and the vast majority of gun owners say they have one for precisely that, why not make owning guns safer for everyone?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) Update on Morongate: Tillerson didn't actually deny calling Trump a moron; NBC's reporter says their source actually said he called Trump a "f***ing Moron;" CNN has verified the story. lol As Hawk would say, whether you think he's a moron or a f***ing moron, you're right either way.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:45 PM) If you are trained with them there is no reason to be scared to death of them. The obvious answer would be that everything would be better if there were no guns. However, that is not feasible in this country. I can honestly say that over 40 years of hunting since I was 10 no one I know has ever had an accident or been shot. Maybe if everybody was trained as a child we wouldn't have the issues of people becoming fascinated with them. It's way of live where I grew up and nobody had issues. I really don't know the answer other than a good place to start is to somehow restrict high capacity magazines in some capacity. I know I would want to give up my shotguns and rifles for my hobbies, sports and protection against coyotes and such on the farm. I'm sure there are plenty of people who were trained how to use guns at a very young age that still use them or used them very irresponsibly.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:19 PM) Something that hasn't been brought up but is important - Stanton would have to approve any trade that would be agreed upon. He has full no-trade protection. I would also imagine that transfers if/when he is traded too. Which basically means he will need some sort of trade kicker.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:40 PM) I don't think you know what you are saying to be honest. Oh I do. The White Sox gave this guy $700k. Although a decent amount, 30 others in his class got more, and 2 others received the same. The 700k in the 2015 draft would have slotted between the 84th and 85th pick, so it wasn't like he was considered by anyone a first round type talent. So the White Sox have this guy they like but obviously don't see the 16 year old as a top prospect, and really, no other team did either or his signing bonus would have been higher than $700k and 32 other players in the same class wouldn't have received the same amount or more. He never plays a game for the White Sox organization, and gets traded, pretty much as a lottery ticket (if you look at the White Sox other international signings, several of which were given bigger bonuses there hasn't been a lot of huge success) along with Erik Johnson for James Shields and a bunch of cash. At the time of the trade, I personally didn't read one thing how Fernando Tatis Jr. was going to make Rick Hahn rue the day he made this trade. I think James Shields' performance did that. Now Tatis has developed and many think he is one of the top prospects in baseball. We will see what happens. Prospects are suspects until they put up numbers in the major leagues. He certainly would have helped the White Sox farm system ranking cause, but I don't think they give trophies for that.

I guess they could bring a couple of those guys back, but the question would be, why? Maybe Brantly if he wants to spend next summer in Charlotte.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:37 PM) This is so circular. It's really not. You are so interested in arguing with me, you have no idea what I've stated.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:23 PM) A guy signed for $700k and in the top 30 isn't a lottery ticket guy. That is more like Reynaldo Lopez who was a $10k signing. The rivisionist history here to pain the White Sox as ignorant of a guy they paid top dollar for is bizarre. He was in a 3 way tie for 31st highest bonus in his class. If you have the 31st pick in the draft, it's pretty much a lottery pick. I'm not blaming the White Sox for trading him. Look at the vast majority of international guys that get his money. They don't work out. He might not either. 16 year olds are very hard to project. There is no way he would have been available for $700k if teams thought he would be what he's been. I think Michael Ynoa got $4 million.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:16 PM) One thing I feel kinda sure of. Had Tatis Jr actually played on the field for some games prior to the trade it would have never happened. THe rumors about him began almost immediately for when he took the field. Probably. It goes back to what Buddy Bell said at a Soxfest seminar. Most of these signees are scouted not playing games but at these showcases where they take BP, make some throws, and sprint. He was saying you wouldn't believe some of the basic things that need to be taught to these guys after they are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, because they haven't played many games. Tatis probably had a better background actually playing because of his father.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:03 PM) Yet the White Sox were the ones who signed him. Where they erred was in not knowing that San Diego wasn't disclosing full medical records on their players and thought they were getting the historical James Shields, and not the one with a bum shoulder. Which is precisely my point. The guy was a lottery ticket who exploded. He never played one inning for the White Sox organization. If he were considered an all over top 10 talent, the Sox would never have traded him. Their bonus would have been a lot more, and maybe another team would have offered even more.