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Considering they can't possibly spend all their money, getting worse, seems next to impossible. But I think they are worse. Is Glennon better than Cutler? Does a 32 year old safety make up for losing Jeffery? Does a back up TE move the needle at all?

All those on the Bears season ticket waiting list will probably have one of their biggest jumps in years.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) People worry way too much about recruits leaving when there is a coaching change. First off Groce is f***ing horrendous and you aren't winning a damn thing with him anyways any one or two recruits don't change that. But in reality most kids don't leave after a coaching change anyways and if the next coach keeps Walker (should definitely be the new coach's decision but as AD you let them know) the signed guys almost certainly all stay and you have a great chance at landing Mark Smith too. I understand that but the way some people on here who know way more about these recruits than I did thought it signaled a resurgence for the program with Groce still coaching like they had seen him coach for 4 years, I wonder if it is a factor. Maybe they won't leave anyway, but despite what they say, 99.9% commit to the coach/staff rather than the school. It seems almost every new coach in this situation has to talk the star into staying rather than the other way around.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 02:28 PM) Who cares if we lose Jeffery now that we're adding Dion Sims. Glennon is gonna be loaded with weapons. Kevin White should be back for 2 or 3 games.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 12:49 PM) Pretty sure it's not that simple. It's not a verbal commitment. He signed. Can he just go back on a NLOI? Technically, I think not but schools usually release guys if they want to leave after a coaching change. It would be almost unheard of if Illinois changed coaches and didn't allow this.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 12:24 PM) The question that needs to be asked here is whether Tilmon is SUCH a difference making recruit that 1 or 2 years of him will elevate the level of the program. If the answer to that question is no - and I suspect that it is - then you need to try things a different way. Letting Groce go and losing Tilmon (speculation of course) sets the program back next year, but if they make the right hire, the program is in much better shape long term. e: This game isn't over. Michigan looked gassed at the end of the half. If Illinois can get this thing down to around 5 by the 10 minute mark, anything could happen. Also, credit to Tracy Abrams if Illinois comes back and wins this game. His solo 10-0 run kept this game from getting ugly. It probably depends on the hire. An exciting one probably helps keep the class intact, a meh hire they probably scatter, and then might be down for years. But 5 years and never better than .500 in the Big Ten at a school that likes to think of its program as top notch, is more than enough reason to be told goodbye.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 12:11 PM) It started becoming a thing during ww2 IIRC as a way around wage controls, and it got baked into our system good and hard during the 50's and 60's. The benefit that employer-provided plans have over the individual market is that they're potentially bringing a whole lot of people to the table at once, so they have a lot more bargaining power and get much better prices. If I were to try to go buy the same plan I'm currently under on the open market, it'd cost a heck of a lot more than what it costs me + my company to pay for it because I'm not bringing several thousand employees' worth of premiums to the table. Nobody in the world has a healthcare system structured like ours. Most are either a stronger, better version of what the ACA offers (private insurance, heavily subsidized and regulated), single-payer government coverage (aka Medicare for all/what Canada does), or a fully nationalized healthcare system (Britain's NHS). I watched an interview with Trump where he was saying better, cheaper, for everyone, and the interviewer asked him if it would be single payer. He said yes. Just like when he was talking about Obamacare and said his people don't like it and don't use it much, I'm sure he had/has no idea what single payer means.

This is a non story. I'm sure the Sox have a scout or 2 at every one of Houston's games, every one of Pittsburgh's games. The bigger story would be if they didn't have a scout at Yankee games.

Didn't Groce just have his best recruiting class? If he is launched are they firmly committed?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) Trump Weighs Cuts to Coast Guard, T.S.A. and FEMA to Bolster Border Plan Mexico is paying for the wall. He told us 100,000 times.

NFL free agency is so fast, being optimistic is fun. It's not like in baseball when it just drags on and you feel a fool for believing something you probably knew deep down would not happen, but for a couple of days? Why not think the Bears will do good? Other that draft night, it's pretty much all a Bears fan has these days.

At least Pace is leaving his replacement a lot of cap room.

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 09:24 AM) Aaron Leming‏Verified account @AaronLemingNFL 1m1 minute ago More I'm not saying the #Bears are totally screwed & will miss on most targets. I'm simply saying they've missed on a few FAs over $1.5-2M per yr It's CYA. If you aren't going to be able to win, making your boss' profit a little better helps your job security. This is really disappointing. Don't send a letter out to your season ticketholders saying 3-13 will never happen again and boast about your cap space if you are going to come in 2nd or 3rd or 4th place attempting to sign the top guys.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 08:55 AM) Scott Pruitt just said he doesn't believe CO2 contributes to climate change. So, yea, everyone start buying Chinese made face masks because they probably are the best This is beyond tragic. For an administration whose main claim is US citizen safety, between their climate and health care positions, that is shown to be false, much like most everything else they claim. The only hope is there is enough elected officials that put country and humanity over party and realize how dangerous these people have become.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 06:54 PM) Sox have done an outstanding job at keeping players healthy. Trust them to do the same moving forward. Why ride Riding hard in a rebuilt year? If much rather limit his innings to Dave good seem for when we are competitive again I agree with this. There is no reason for him to throw 220 innings for the White Sox in 2017.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 05:40 PM) MLB Trade Rumors‏ @mlbtraderumors 3h3 hours ago Brett Lawrie Not Yet Ready To Pursue New Contract http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/03/brett-lawrie-not-yet-ready-pursue-new-contract.html …://http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...contract.html …://http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...contract.html …://http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...ct.html …://http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...ct.html … Makes me think he couldn't pass a physical or is stil a ways from playing. Considering he was close then got worse several times, maybe it wasn't the orthotics. Maybe he over trained.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 03:08 PM) They paid $62M for Moncada because that's what the going rate was at the time for a potential cost-controlled superstar in an unconstrained market. I'm still not understanding why you think that makes him more valuable Benintendi, who was a victim of a constrained marketplace like the vast majority of prospects. And below is a comment from DD on how they evaluated the potential trade. They completely ignored sunk costs and focused exclusively on future production vs. future costs. They actually felt that in a vacuum 12+ cost-controlled years of Moncada & Kopech was more valuable than three years of Chris Sale. However, they were willing to forgoe some projected surplus value because of how well he fit into their competitive window. That's the proper way of evaluating a decision like this. Worrying about your cost-basis in asset is not. I never mentioned Benitendi. I'm just mentioning Moncada. Yes, the cost is sunk but it's like they paid in advance. Most teams wouldn't trade Yoan Moncada away even for Chris Sale had they invested the money in him, he wasn't a big flop and is maybe a year, if that, from contrubting, and many evaluators see him as a future star. Who knows, maybe if Benitendi struggled in 30 ABs and Moncada looked really good during his September call up, Benitendi is a White Sox. It could be Moncada being questionable at best to be a contributor in 2017 was what DD was looking at. He's never met a prospect he couldn't trade, and this trade pretty much proved it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:52 PM) I said this a few pages back, but how long would people have been willing to keep negotiating with Boston over this deal, and would they have been OK with it collapsing because of asking too much if that had been the case? Keep in mind, we had two other deals collapse over the winter at the ownership level. That's the thing. I wonder if the Sox played the hardball with this deal some wanted how they would feel if the trade wasn't made and it was reported they could have received the same 4 players for him. It's almost assured some of these guys will fail, and some lesser Red Sox prospects will have some success at some point. So the argument the Sox could have received more is probably valid, at least in a future performance sense. In the sense it would affect their prospect rankings, we will never know most likely.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:34 PM) You can look at it that way, but it would be a flawed way of evaluating things. The $62M was a sunk cost and should have no impact on Moncada's value. The only two factors that drive his valuation are projected future production vs. expected future costs. He's incredibly valuable because he has a chance of becoming a cost-controlled superstar. The same logic applies Bentendi and most other elite prospects. By your logic, Benintendi is less valuable because the Red Sox were able to acquire him in a market with significant financial contraints (i.e. the draft). The reality here is that Moncada is not more valuable than Benintendi simply because he was fortunate enough to exploit a loophole for Cuban free agents and get compensated for his actual worth. The example above should just scream out how flawed this way of thinking is. The value is they paid $62 million for the cheap years of service. If he turns into a star, they re-coup their investment easily. They get Sale for 3 years. To re-coup the $100 million can be done, but the overall surplus value is going to go down if Moncada is great. I really doubt other teams would have traded him had they made the same investment, but a lot of things lined up. Sale is cheap and great, and DD wasn't around when Moncada was added to their organization.

There have been several players that skipped AAA, but he does need to go down for more seasoning and repeating AA doesn't really make sense.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) steel for the pipelines too Well it's just a one time exception he made to the Russians.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:28 PM) Trump is building hotels in Japan? No, they are bringing those jobs back to the US. Except for Trump ties, and shirts and such, the steel he uses to build his buildings, and Ivanka's stuff, everything needs to be made in the USA, and Trump will make it happen. Believe me. Except it's OK to use Russian steel on that ridiculous pipeline.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) The 63M Boston spent on Moncada was a sunk cost so I'm not sure that would factor in the trade negotiations. I really doubt that, or anything pertaining to money, came up in these negotiations. It was a sunk cost to them, but now the Sox get him and get to pay him peanuts for his development time and probably first 3 years of service. It's, like the trading of Sale with his status and contract situation, pretty much unprecedented. How many teams are going to shell out $60 million for a prospect and trade him before he gets 30 ABs and is ranked a top 5 prospect by just about everyone? If he's a bust, kudos to Boston for being willing to eat it. I doubt any other team would.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 01:16 PM) He may have pointed it out, but it should have made no difference in terms of valuation. Moncada isn't more valuable than Benintendi simply because the Red Sox paid more money to acquire him in the first place. The original purchase price of an asset should have no impact on its future value. No, but usually if you invest $60 million on a 21 year old many think is the best prospect in baseball, that $60 million investment will be more than enough if the other stuff isn't enough, to keep him around, and off any table re: trades. They paid that money for his cheap seasons. You can look at it another way. The 3 years on Sale's contract cost them an extra $62 million. So he is a $30+ million a year guy in reality now. The price for the bargain vanishes. Between what the paid Mocada and what the owe Sale, Boston shells out $100 million for 3 years of service. I do have a feeling he wouldn't have been available had Dombrowski been the one who signed him.

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) Extremely short sided view of how to go about a draft IMO. If you think a QB is going to be good it definitely worth the 3rd pick. I am not saying take one just to take one but if you think he is good you do. If one of these guys wind up being good it will be one of the worst blunders on Pace's resume and hold the team back even further when they could have had their guy. Especially if its a guy that they actually liked but thought "oh well we cant take him because he isnt worth a number 3, he is really like a number 15-20 pick...oh and it will create a controversy within the fanbase" I think if they were going to take a QB with the #3 pick, they wouldn't spend the money on Glennon. Yes, you most likely will need a placeholder anyway, but I think they would sign a guy a tier or so lower in salary commitment.