Dick Allen

If Frazier hits a groundball or SF, and the Sox win 1-0, I doubt this thread exists.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 2, 2016 -> 10:16 AM) No. You are adding that after the fact, in other words youre assuming a 100% succesful bunt in which both guys get over. If he hits a hr, our odds of winning go to 98%. That would be quite the statistically sound move. This thread was created and all of the arguing against it, was done after the fact. Once the bunt was successful, the White Sox odds of scoring increased. Since Melky has hit 3 HRs, the chances of him hitting one there were pretty slim. The graphic I saw was the chances of scoring a run do increase with a successful bunt. Your chances of scoring multiple runs goes down. All in all, considering the bunt was successful, the argument against was weak. At least Robin did the right thing and started Saladino vs. the LHP on Tuesday. The managers of Soxtalk might have been hung with an L.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 2, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) I just would prefer Robin field a less aggressive team in terms of stolen bases and bunts. If it's an extra inning game and we get a single, sure, bunt him over. But in the 1st-7th innings, let it play. And unless you are rollins or saladino, stop trying to steal. Running to stay out of the DP often results in a DP, but as far as bunts, I think Robin calls for less bunts than most manager.

Shuck did have one of the two White Sox hits and did hit the ball pretty hard right at the SS. Don't let facts get in the way. Bunting Melky was questionable, but not the fireable stupid offense many want to make it out to be. As soon as it was successful, the strategy was a non issue. Frazier screwed up. They were conceding the run. He couldn't even get a ground ball.

Teams, according to a graph I saw, score 1 run more often with 2nd and 3rd with 1 out than with 1st and 2nd with no out. They do score more than 1 run less. Bunting is not my thing, but the criticism of the bunt should have ended after it was successful. It was pointed out that Frazier was 1 for 22 at the time. What was missed was Melky was 2 for 22. I don't see how you should have expected Frazier not to do the job, but Melky would have been fine. The Sox were in a position to score a run without getting a hit.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jun 2, 2016 -> 08:17 AM) I am with you on this logic but I think the Sox are in a position to only get guys like Shields. We dont have the talent to trade for anything better and the couple guys we do have that may be able to get something bigger done would leave the farm empty. Now I am not sure that is something the Sox are afraid to do either actually. I think they realize what they are in evaluating talent through the draft and they are overall better at what they believe in selling high on their minor league guys for major league talent then they are at drafting and developing guys that help them down the road. They don't have the talent, at least should be unwilling to surrender the talent, but they do have LaRoche's cash. When half the season's paychecks are cashed, his $13 million becomes an ability to stay at projected opening day payroll and acquire $26 million in salary. Plus, the longer you wait, the availability should increase as well. The other thing is, you can wait on Shields. If Latos and/or Gonzalez fail, and he's the only option, fine. But they shouldn't be in a rush to acquire him.

No to Jay. Sheilds, they would have to eat a bunch of cash. Latos has looked decent his last couple of starts. Velocity picking up a tick and he is striking out more guys, but the long ball is a problem. That is a problem with Shields as well. Bartolo took him deep. Gonzalez has been decent as well. Lucky in some cases, but decent. As long as they show some life, I see no reason to pick up Shields. If Latos hadn't been better his last 2 outings, I could see it, but not now. Keep waiting for something better to open up. If either of these guys goes back to gas can, Shields should still be available for next to nothing.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 1, 2016 -> 05:39 PM) Robin did a great job w the bullpen today. 8 scoreless innings. Also great call letting Albers hit rather than pinch hit or even pinch run for him . All the Robin talk and the franchise being in trouble was laughable. If the bullpen was just bad in KC instead of horrible, the Sox sweep and are 10 over right now in first place. 2 huge wins. They are just as close to being 6-0 on this trip as 0-6. The dreaded lead off walk wasn't so dreaded today. Hopefully they can get on a roll for a bit here. Need to have Abreu start hitting. He needs to try something different, maybe back off the plate a bit.

QUOTE (shysocks @ May 19, 2016 -> 10:01 AM) Peavy was 4-4 against the Tigers as a White Sox. I apologize to Caulfield. He was correct. He didn't beat the Tigers once as a White Sox. He beat them 4 times.

He isn't exactly setting himself up for future employment.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 19, 2016 -> 09:34 AM) Peavy didn't beat the Tigers once in his entire White Sox career. Another lie.

It's all about money and success. If Penn State was Illinois on the football field back then, all of it would have been exposed.

QUOTE (Lillian @ May 18, 2016 -> 05:01 PM) I hope that you guys are right, regarding his ability to become a good defensive SS. It's not an easy position to learn, and too important to accept less than solid defense. For me, SS is a position that requires defense first, and offense secondarily. Then why was your first comment about him about his walk total?

Sox still at .600 which is a 97 win pace. It was obviously going to slow down and there are always bumps in the road. It's a 6 month season playing almost every day. Do that at your job, and notice the ups and downs. The 2005 World Champions once lost 7 consecutive games. The gamethreads really are ridiculous. All the problems with the team. No talent, the manager is horrible.... If the Sox have these problems and are playing .600, what exactly does that say about the other teams and the other managers?

He might not be bad to have around but I doubt he would help much this season. He hasn't played in games in a year or more, and MLB is something he hasn't seen.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 18, 2016 -> 03:19 PM) No judgement calls are reviewable. Isn't safe vs. out a judgement call? I can understand balls and strikes, but they review catcher's interference. They review baserunner interference. Why not batter interference?

I wonder why it isn't reviewable. I would think it would be pretty easy to determine on a replay.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 18, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) No, I said that the White Sox/Hahn would not feel he was worth the draft pick. Totally different. Whether he's worth the draft pick to me, as a fan, that's another issue altogether (and one that's not really relevant). At any rate, if we opened that closed thread...I was consistently arguing the merits of a Desmond acquisition (and most of the criticism amounted to his defense at SS and falloff offensively/declining OPS, etc.). I noticed you've gotten much, much quieter about that one now that Desmond's hitting like he was expected to. Now it's that I didn't want him, lol. It's easy to take the position as a fan they should just spend on every free agent out there and ignore the draft pick compensation. I suppose it's easier to live in that unrealistic universe. From now on, I'll write two halves to every post. What the White Sox should do, and what they're likely to do in reality...anticipating the fact they weren't going to give up Shark's draft pick because it would make that trade (at least temporarily) look even worse. Is that why in the same post you said Desmond in June, you also said pay $10 million for Latos and $8 million for Parra? You were just wrong and now playing the hindsight game where you knew it all alone. No, you didn't. What you did do is say the Sox should sign him for $10 million. They signed him for $3 million and then you bashed the signing siting concerns he had so few offers. Desmond had few offers.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 18, 2016 -> 01:47 PM) We could say that about 1967, 1977, 1994 (no strike, Sox win the World Series!!! except JR was one of the biggest leaders on the ownership side, that's one area Thad Bosley has a point about sabotaging your own franchise), 2000 (pitching wore down in the second half and offense cooled), 2003 (no 5th starter, Twins took Kenny Rogers), 2004 (injuries), 2006 (injuries/pitchers wore down in 2nd half...Twins and Tigers were unreal in the 2nd half behind quality pitching), 2008 (Carlos Quentin self-sabotaged his season and career), 2010 (Twins had Thome, we had Ozzie's Kotsay-headed monster...Twins wipe us out again, Thome crushes Matt Thornton and they never look back), 2012 (either got tired, were beaten by a more talented team/manager or simply choked depending on who you ask). Please don't refer to the White Sox as we or us. You are a Royals fan. And if you are using Thad Bosley as a source.......

The White Sox were also stacked in 2004 and might have won something then had Thomas and Ordonez not been hurt.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 18, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) True but according to the box score it was also a "balmy" 52 degrees at game time and I assume it got colder as the game wore on. Weather has at times really stuck it to the White Sox, can't blame fans for not coming out when the weather remains lousy. Mark The place would have been full if JR didn't let Harry get away 34 years ago.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 18, 2016 -> 12:40 AM) I do vaguely recall starting a thread on bringing in Jackson and Desmond in December...before it was closed by the mods. Whether they could have brought in Fowler is another issue altogether, probably not. They certainly weren't going to surrender two draft picks for Desmond and Fowler, although that would have left them sitting pretty for this season and likely recouping the picks with QO's in 2017. You said Desmond in June because he wasn't worth the draft pick. You also said absolutely no to Fowler because of the draft pick and you said he wouldn't be able to hit in the AL despite the fact he played in the AL one season and hit pretty well. A

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 18, 2016 -> 08:09 AM) my comment wasnt meant to pin it on Robin, it was obvious the home ump made up his mind. I wasn't suggesting it was. Just stating the umpire refused to discuss it with anyone which to me is ridiculous, even though the non call wouldn't have changed. What I don't understand about umpires is when a call is made and a manager argues to have it discussed, then they discuss it and change the call, wouldn't that be the exact opposite of "trying to get it right/" If the manager never argued, the umpire(s) who saw the call differently enough to get it changed just bite their tongue. I would like one time for umpires to have a discussion at the request of another umpire, not the manager.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 18, 2016 -> 06:35 AM) At the very least the umps should have huddled and talked about it, but nothing I was by the Sox on deck circle and Robin did ask if he would ask for help. The umpire refused.

QUOTE (harkness @ May 18, 2016 -> 07:52 AM) Okay there was a lot of back and forth about the rule in the game thread. However the umpires not responsible for Albers completely losing it 3 games in a row. I'm pretty sure it was an 0-2 pitch Gattis hit. Albers seemed spotless early, now it seems he just can't get over the hump the last couple outings. He seems to be one pitch from getting out of it and can't deliver. Probably the reason he was relegated to the 11th inning yesterday.