Dick Allen

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:47 PM) if you don't mind, i am going to play the devil's advocate here. lets say you were a player that had a problem with a players kid being there, maybe b/c you want to cuss, say raunchy girls jokes or what ever. but you feel restraint in saying anything, or for this discussion, the player says watch your mouth b/c of the kid. you ask that player the next day to not bring in the kid in the clubhouse as a favor and that player say go screw yourself side ways. what is or would be your next response. I wouldn't go running to Kenny. But it would take an awful lot for me to be bothered by a kid in my workplace. It is pretty rare in my line of work but it happens occassionally, and usually they are a lot of fun, or just keep to themselves. And If someone did complain to Kenny, he should have said as a condition of him signing, the GM and manager green lighted his access. There is nothing he can do now, he can change the rules next year. The kid is a good kid, just deal with it, and do your job.i

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:34 PM) Who's to say in all of this the agreement wasn't "he's welcome as much as he wants in the clubhouse unless it's a distraction to teammate(s)". No one in that pathetic clubhouse says a word last year, and the new guys come in and say something. For all this speculation about new players coming in and complaining, there is not one report the kid was nothing but a well behaved quiet class act who stayed out of the way. If the players have a problem with it and can't discuss it with LaRoche who is supposed to be the nicest guy in the world, they are p*****s.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:28 PM) Same with Ventura. Too bad for KW that he's the bad guy cause LaRoche wouldn't adhere to the wishes of a few teammates/coaches. KW is the bad guy because he din't care that his GM and manager gave their OK for this arraingment when signing the player, and made their word worthless.

Maddon said he wants no part of a kids in the clubhouse policy. He said it is up to the players to police it themselves.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) If the MLBPA wins the grievance case (if it gets filed at all), do the Sox as an organization get punished in any way? I would imagine they would have to pay him a portion of the contract.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:15 PM) Personally, everyone should be allowed to raise their kids as they want in terms of school. From all reports, he's very well-behaved. As long as he's doing well on the standardized tests, LaRoche should be allowed to do as he pleases with his kids. I agree, that is why all this bad parent crap is crap. From all accounts, this is a pretty good kid he is raising. In one of the articles it says he plays on 2 teams and would love to be a ballplayer some day. Maybe now that his dad is retired, he goes to regular school. I would have done it differently than him if I were in the same shoes. But for me to say he is wrong would be wrong.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) It obvious matters to Kenny, otherwise he doesn't threaten to quit over TOR. If he gets another chance he wants, he either leaves or quits. His threatening to quit was like Ricketts threatening to take the Cubs to Rosemont.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) An overlooked issue is the multi-millionaire with access to advantages that 90% of Americans do not, saying that school is not important. I am starting to think that Adam LaRoche is one f'd up guy. This guy and his kid is pretty set for life but his message is horrendous and his kid now bears the weight of this bad decision regardless of what is said to him. Think about that for minute. Also in regard to the the "agreement' for child access t othe team all season. My guess is that he White Sox did not think it would be abused and used to excess. I think that is taken a bit out of context. The kid is doing schoolwork that the school district gives them, and taking tests at appropriate times. I think LaRoche means actually being in school wasn't important. That is debatable as well, but not as much as what it first looks like. I would disagree with him if he did actually mean what was written.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:02 PM) We all know he wants to be a team President. If he finds that chance, I think he leaves. He has a perpetual contract. If JR doesn't want him to leave, unless he outright quits, he is going nowhere. JR won't let him talk to other teams. He basically is the White Sox president except for title.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:59 PM) Yeah...I can't get on this argument. If the Sox told him, before he signed, that it was okay for his son to be there as much as he'd like him, than I think they made there bed. To change, yes, they are entitled to it, but it looks poorly and is essentially a flat out lie. From what I am reading, Hahn and Robin told him the kid's access would be fine, and it apparently is the reason they are in disagreement with KW. They gave their word, now they are overridden.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:52 PM) Well, the slim chance of Sale coming back to the Sox after his contract is up has officially bit the dust. I am not too worried about that. If he stays healthy his price tag will probably be $35-40 million a year at that point, and he probably will already have peaked.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) Jerry won't let Kenny fire Rick. He wouldn't let him fire Ozzie when he originally wanted to. I think Rick will hit the road on his own. There are more and more stories about how Rick and KW aren't in sync. If both RH and RV disagreed with KW on this, and that could be for show, and he overruled, it may make the divide a little greater. Sullivan seems convinced RH is a bit frustrated about KW stepping on toes.

I think this will blow over eventually, but if it doesn't and the White Sox tank in 2016, my prediction is RH...gone. RV...gone. KW takes back the GM seat.

Here's Sullivan. He has some interesting questions. http://www.redeyechicago.com/ct-no-winners...317-column.html

QUOTE (shakes @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:05 PM) I like it. I think Nightengale is the only one I've seen mention he quit on his teammates. Normally, people hate nothing more than quitting on your teammates, but nothing surprises me anymore when you cloak it some crap hashtag like #FamliyFirst, you will get a particular group rushing to your defense. #TeamLast I think if you asked JR, KW, and RH what should come first for a White Sox player, his team or family, they would all say family. Apparently he doesn't need the money. If he would rather be with his family, his performance would most likely show. So really what he did is justified. Nobody ripped Michael Jordan for quitting on his team. Guys leave all the time for various reasons.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:58 PM) A bunch of dudes with separate agendas and hiding s*** from the media. Doubletalk, backtalk, everything under the sun Great way to approach the last couple weeks of getting ready to play a team sport intensively for 6 months I just wonder if KW knew exactly how this was going to unfold if he still would have done it. On one hand he has $13 million, on the other, he has a pretty big clean up in aisle 6.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:55 PM) Why in the world would he say that when the story hadn't broken yet? Everything he said was justified in this situation, even if he was the one who said something. Why can't Rollins explain to Sale and any other player who had a problem with what went down, why it was good that it went down?

If Jimmy Rollins went to KW and moaned, and then said this http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0315-story.html he is not a leader. A leader would cop to what he did and explain it to everyone.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:45 PM) Remember the 2002 World Series when JT Snow scooped up Dusty Baker's son as he crossed home plate ? Babysitting and managing a WS at the same time is cute. having your kid get a teammate more seeds is a bit distracting.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) It basically is the same as bringing in outside consultants to your company and asking them for their recommendations. Hopefully Sale and company come to respect the opinion that Rollins and others had. Outside consultants..one of the biggest scams going.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:40 PM) Agreed. I have no problem with how any of this has happened. Seems like there wasn't much of a way around any of this. Like a few others have said, this would be more interesting if LaRoche walking away wasn't a good thing for the organization. If his walking away wasn't a good thing, this would have never happened. KW would have folded for sure if he had LaRoche pegged for 30 homers this year and he mentioned leaving. I wonder if it is true that Jimmy Rollins now runs the team. If he does, they got quite a bargain with his contract.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) One thing I don't like hearing is Hahn and Ventura disagreed with Kenny's approach. Before anything was said, JR should have made sure it was a united front. What is interesting is the Sale comment and the link you had earlier about a meeting concerning upper management access to the clubhouse. The most interesting part to me is it appears Robin is on the players side, which I would imagine lines up with Sale's alleged comments.

The Braves went to the playoffs 15 years in a row with Booby Cox banning kids. Get rid of all of them.

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) so finally some one can take it easy on the sox management, the present management was doing the right thing without exposing the person who made the request. I still think they could have said deal with it for 2 more weeks. This way worked out in the Sox favor though. I don't think it will hurt recruiting free agents. If it is important for a future free agent they really want to have their kid there all the time, they will agree to it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) I don't think he's an egomaniac at all. In fact, that's pretty much opposite of everything that has been said/written about LaRoche. From all accounts, he's a very solid guy. I just think he marches a bit to the beat of his own drummer and the White Sox probably didn't really contemplate what his request was when it was made. I remember being at Soxfest and Hahn was gushing about LaRoche, saying they do so much homework on him, how he was the closest thing to Jim Thome in the clubhouse. It seems odd they would miss that he had his kid around him for 4 years in Washington. I do agree, he does seem to march to a different beat than most.