Dick Allen

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:48 AM) Yeah, sure Rich Hahn's plan after all the offseason additions was to have another protected draft pick...brilliant!!! They need to figure out a way to win, somehow....spend or develop, spend or develop...just come up with something that actually appears to be a logical plan instead of this half assed approach. That is what you want. Bad baseball and high draft picks. You get that, and you still aren't happy because that isn't what they were going for but what they did achieve. They do have more talent on the team now than they had 3 years ago, and it will continue to trend upward. I do agree they either have to spend money or trade for prospects, but all of your other complaints are just made up. The fan shaming doesn't happen. Hasn't for years. It isn't getting old. What is getting old is you using every complaint you can think of not caring about accuracy to appeal to the doom and gloomers. You really should post at WSI. Your moaning would make you a hero. They whine about everything there, from the stripes on the pants being changed, to patches on sleeves, to parking lot attendants not smiling at them, to ushers hitting on other ushers.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) You don't remember KW's can't spend $1 when you have fifty cents quote apparently? Where were you? I hate the way the franchise is being mismanaged and has become nearly irrelevant. Apparently you are in the dwindling minority that feels things are just great and no changes need to be made. Might as well go hang out with Chris Rongey in a luxury suite and sing kumbaya. That's blaming the fans? He hasn't said that in years. The team won 76 games last year. So many people act like they lose 120 games every year and complain about it, and then wonder why they can't be more like teams that do lose 100 games a year. Just think, their 76 win season got them that high draft pick you wanted them to have by tanking. So what are you moaning about? They are trying to be like the Royals and be horrible for 30 years.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:10 AM) Better yet, where is there a successful professional sports franchise that blames their fans so much...more than themselves? Name one. The White Sox less than a decade ago had the tenth most valuable franchise in baseball. Where are they now? Something like 17th-19th? Now why would that be? When do the White Sox blame their fans? Why must you make so much up, and if you hate the franchise so much, why in the world do you keep posting on a White Sox message board?

The problem I have with waiting another year is you still are going to need these pieces, and when in baseball history has the prices actually gone down a year later? I am not suggesting paying the price for Frazier, but free agents, it isn't like a guy similar to Upton will be available at half the cost next season. If you don't have the guys to trade for upgrades or you don't have or want to spend the money for upgrades, then look to start trading guys like Q and Sale and Abreu because if your reluctance continues, you will have the same issues in the future. And if you think winning 85 games in 2016 is going to make the attendance jump 500k in 2017, think again. Just remember 2012.

I just don't see how Bryant can win his grievance. Of course he was ready to be called up 9 games earlier. Of course the Cubs used the system to their advantage, but what constitutes the guy is ready? If someone hits a certain amount of HRs or his average is at a certain level, does he have to be called up? Everyone is different. Bryant will get paid plenty if he is as good as advertised moving forward. Boras tries to extract every dollar he can. That is fine. Teams try to save every dollar they can, which is also fine.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) It is going to be very difficult to outbid the Celtics. It's the Bulls. It would be very difficult for them to realistically make an offer that would outbid any NBA team. Not that they can't, but that they won't.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) This may be completely false, but it does seem like many of Cuban players seem to age better than other players FWIW. And again, maybe I am just thinking of a few examples in my own head and I'm wrong. Not saying this is justification to giving Cespedes a long, big contract. But again, with no draft pick. I'd do $110 over 5 years for him. Mind you the biggest contract the Sox have ever given was to Abreu ... and that was for like half of that. Hard to see JR signing of on such a big deal when the team is constructed how it currently is.... JR went big at the time with Albert Belle, and was eventually saved with the opt out. Maybe something similar. Let Cespedes have a couple of stellar seasons and let someone else pay him during his decline. Cespedes in RF, Thompson in CF, Eaton in LF could be the best defensive OF in baseball once Gordon moves on from KC. I would rather have Upton than Cespedes because I think you are paying a bit for an outlier. But if you can get him reasonably and embrace an opt out, it could work well.

If you didn't like Adam Dunn, there is no reason you would do anything but hate Chris Carter.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) As much as I have enjoyed reading about the Royals and circumcisions, the talks with the Reds have completely cooled. The Sox don't fit what he Reds want. I think that's a good thing. For a lesser price, maybe Frazier makes sense, but this isn't going anywhere for now. Jon Heyman tweeting yesterday was a Reds plant to drum up the market. Nothing to see there. This news is not surprising considering the supposedly wanted Rodon. If if they moved to what they would consider the middle, it is probably a price the White Sox shouldn't pay. Sign an OF and trade for someone else. I would much prefer Upton over Cespedes. Way more consistent and younger, although Cespedes is a bit better in the field. But the White Sox need 2 bats IMO.

If the Sox did trade for Frazier and had Saladino play SS, Alexei's buyout + Frazier's 2016 salary + Saladino's salary

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) Heyward staying with the Cardinals was roughly a 50/50 proposition (they offered more money) but that didn't happen, either. I can guarantee that Gordon stays with KC if they offer the most money, compared to the Heyward case. I will give you 4 to 1 odds. I will not post for 4 years if Gordon goes back to KC. You don't post for 1 year if he goes elsewhere. That is the low end of your odds and you weren't going to post until Ventura was fired or KW left anyway. Make the deal or stop with your BS percentages. No one cares about the Royals in the Todd Frazier thread.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:26 AM) Who exactly are you going to subtract besides Eaton, Q, Sale, Abreu and Rodon that anybody would want? David Robertson? That's more of a salary dump. We're not getting a Top 50 prospect back for him. Pocket the savings for the 2018-19 free agent class? Don't tell me you believe there's a hidden Melky Cabrera market out there. The White Sox have enough players to make the farm system one of the top farm systems in baseball if that is your thing.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:22 AM) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) * If you can't add, as much as it pains me, then you must take advantage of said prices and subtract. They had a plan which supposedly included Samardzija. What were they going to pay him with if they have no money? It isn't like they are $20 million short of their projected revenues. If they are, they are crazy. What is the point? It seems to make sense to me. If you can't add, then you must subtract. I think they will add. I'm just saying if they don't, and don't then subtract, they are IMO making an error.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:11 AM) Should I pull out your post where you are recently tearing the team apart if the White Sox aren't willing to spend due to the high FA price tags and fear of making another colosssal payroll mistake? Alex Gordon isn't the right player at age 32 unless they can only sign him for three years...that just won't happen in this market. I still believe the White Sox are less likely to spend $75-100 million than KC because the Royals are looking at offensive downgrades at three separate positions. At the very least, they'll go after someone like Ian Desmond, although he doesn't quite line up with their defensive philosophy. Actually, I wouldn't be totally shocked if they signed Alexei Ramirez and played him at 2b and LF/RF. They only have a two year window. Something like Parra, Ramirez and Desmond to keep them competitive enough. Veteran players mostly. Please do. I wasn't tearing the team apart. I basically said s*** or get off the pot. And if now Gordon just won't happen, how come 15 minutes ago it was a 25-33 percent chance?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:11 AM) And we both know, the second half of last season is the only set of metrics worth reviewing No, but it is more in line with what the White Sox thought they were getting.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:07 AM) Melky and his .710 Ops = 7 hole hitter As for Frazier, if rents, low OBP and high K acquaint ion philosophy repeatedly fails, keep doing it until it work. Melky's OPS the second half was over .780. Since Fraziers OPS the second half of last season was very important to you, I thought Melky's must be equally as important.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:54 AM) The Cubs have enough attention on this board already. Supporting them the next 4-5 seasons would be like supporting the Yankees, Red Sox, Packers, Patriots, Man U or Barcelona. Who did I predict they would sign? 25-33% chance on Gordon...that's the likeliest, but at the salary and years he's asking you can understand why a small market team with the worst media contract in baseball won't risk hamstringing themselves with an exploding albatross of a contract. I will give you 4 to 1 odds on Gordon, which is the low end of your ridiculous made up percentages. Care to make it interesting? You are all over the place, just last night you were telling us the Royals are in a far greater position financially to sign a guy to a big contract than the White Sox. Now it's a different story.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:33 AM) Post-steroid era aging curves are different, guys. Players are peaking much sooner. Also, not every guy is the same. Upton's age is an advantage because it doesn't seem likely to be affected by age-related decline soon, but we need to stop pretending he's a lock to improve the next few years just because he isn't 30 yet. I don't think it is all steroids. There were a lot of guys very productive into their late 30s and up until 40 and I don't think all of them were juicing. I think the ball is less juiced, because if anyone thinks the juicing has stopped, they are kidding themselves.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:34 AM) I feel like Eaton would be an awesome 2 hole hitter, but then the problem would be finding a good leadoff man. Eaton is great leading off. His steals aren't great but he gets on base and was according to Bill James, the White Sox best baserunner in 2015. There is no reason to move him. I hope they try Melky back at the 2 spot. He supposedly was perfect for it until he couldn't buy a hit for a couple of months.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 07:34 AM) Caulfield, why is everyone of your posts in a "Todd Frazier" thread about the Royals!?! Believe me, a couple of the guys he is thinking the Royals are signing go elsewhere, he is jumping off that bandwagon. I don't think it's coincidence he came back when he said he was gone until Ventura or KW left as soon as the Cubs got Heyward. That's his next stop.

Also keep in mind not only is the money they were willing to pay Shark available, there is $9 million they probably thought they would be paying Alexei in 2016 available.

QUOTE (InTheDriversSeat @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 07:36 PM) True, but Hawk's plans for 2016 were indicated on the Sox website: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/153...ducing-schedule . That is because the news was out and Merkin couldn't ignore it. It was in the article the team wouldn't confirm.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 07:38 PM) The highest is Gil Meche for $55 million and 5 years, not too far off from Abreu/Dunn actually. Of course, that was almost a decade ago, when nobody wanted to go to KC as a FA and Glass felt they had to set a precedent by overpaying. There are rumors they want to keep the Opening Day payroll roughly the same as last year, but they will open the bank for Cain/Hosmer/Moustakas and Alex Gordon if they can get any of those four to come close to signing reasonable extensions into their FA years. The odds would still have to be considered higher to keep a player than for the Sox to bring a new player into the organization, fwiw. Obviously it didn't work with Zobrist, so they decided that Colon/Mondesi/Infante (since he is already a sunk cost) are better options financially. For their perspective, they have a limited two year window left. The White Sox have the opposite problem, their window has been pushed back to 2017 and more likely 2018. If there is any time in history they would go out and spend that money, it's going to be now...defending a World Series championship. That said, they have one of, if not the worst local media rights deal in MLB, and it doesn't come up for renewal until the White Sox contract with CSN expires (2019). For the White Sox, they're just fighting to get to 3rd place in the AL Central. LOL If,the window,has been pushed back another year or 2 how,come you came back to this site after you stated you wouldn't return until Bentura or KW were gone unless it is to troll?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 07:31 PM) Royals or White Sox? Royals,with the payroll. Said it would be around $115 million. White Sox haven't signed a $70 million guy. But then again neither have the Royals.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 07:20 PM) Are there any veteran short stops who fit my profile? Ideally, he would be a guy whom the Sox could acquire for a couple of years, until and if Anderson is ready to take over. An outstanding young prospect would likely cost too much in talent going back to the trading partner, and the Sox should not be looking for a long term solution at SS, with Anderson in the wings. Saladino now. Maybe Alexei in a month or so.