Dick Allen

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 09:26 AM) at the same time make some trades that also may not work out ... they got to crack some eggs or so as that cliche goes. Yes, but the vast majority wind up finding other fields of work. There is no reason at all to replace Adam Eaton with a prospect unless you really like when the White Sox aren't very good.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 09:21 AM) It makes no sense. He's our second best hitter and happens to be our leadoff guy. And is signed for 6 more years at a little over $40 million total. This is what you build a team around. Prospect worship sucks.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 09:10 AM) Danny Valencia was claimed off waivers and completely unrelated to the Donaldson trade. But the A's did get Lawrie in the Donaldson trade. I know that but they are dealing Lawrie apparently and going with Valencia. What GM has ever downgraded the left side of their infield that far that quickly?

At some point in time, be it this year, next year, 5 years from now, if the White Sox want this sustained success that has been mentioned, they are going to have to hand out some really huge contracts, and be prepared for some of them to not quite work.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:57 AM) And yet he's had the A's in the playoffs 3 times in the last 5 years. Sox were "rebuilding" but that's because they didn't hame much of a minor leagues to fix issues. Billy Beane trades off parts to aquire as much talent as possible. Some might not be anything but he does get some to work which is more then the sox have at the point. He traded his 2 best trading chips and got zero impact back. The A's are going to be bad for a while.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:40 AM) Works going to be tough this week. Luckily I have half days today and Wednesday. I am off today and was actually going to take a few days to be off for the Winter Meetings, but then Christmas week and New Years week opened up so I jumped on them. So only one day for the meetings, maybe next year.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:44 AM) can't fault that logic.... so wasn't it the second one who said something about upton and the sox?? It really is. nightingale is usually really good with White Sox stuff, and when Hawk shows love for opposing players you can pretty must rest assured their name is somewhere on the wish list.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:34 AM) then who do we listen too when some news comes from the sox FO??? at what point to we choice to believe or not??? Just keep in mind teams aren't going to say we have a boatload of money to spend. thwt would destroy them negotiating and with the public because they would either have to spend that money immediately or be considered cheap just worried about how much they can pocket, you know, like the rest of us.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:28 AM) you may very well be right, but the point is, he is the only one talking from the FO and he has the eyes and ears of the owner, you can not dispute what he says unless there is some other inside source. i am using the numbers that was spell out by the sox org, and within those parameters i am dealing with.... no what if and well that is not what he meant.... \ When it comes to lack of funds, I dispute everything he says. There is an extensive track record showing he isn't being straight.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) i am taking the interview that said the the sox will only spend about 20 mil. i do not know who said, but it was 2 weeks ago, didn't kw say that?? but that is my point, why spend the whole chunk of what the sox have said they will spend on 1 player when there are holes. now i am taking this 20 mil literally. add the fa's of catching to upton salary and that is it. now the question again is why??? think outside the box, look at the big picture, why would they only do that and maybe nothing else??? KW also said they had no money and they traded for Peavy and claimed Rios. He said no funds and they claimed Manny, he said no funds and they signed Dunn and brought back Paulie and AJP. If you listened to KW talk finances and he was actually believable,, Greensox would have his dream team of mediocre at best prospects manning every position.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:13 AM) Yes and Donaldson is going to be getting over 10 million next year. A's can't afford that. Do you have a crystal ball to know how the prospect are going to turn out. Again they are probably going to trade Lawrie which now turns into more prospects for Donaldson. Sox made at stupid trade for shark. Traded 4 players for one year rental which was a bad overall deal plus if they magical sign a player with QO then they get nothing for shark. If Beane would have kept Donaldson, he could get a lot better prospects today, if prospects are your thing. Beane also traded a top 5 in baseball prospect for Shark. So if the Sox were stupid, what was he? He ultimately got a bunch of meddling guys for a top 5 in baseball prospect SS and an MVP 3B making Zach Duke money. Yeah, he is a genius alright. Be afraid to trade with Billy Beane. Be very afraid.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:07 AM) i understand what you are saying. i have always said, esp in some of my recent post, now my ideas goes back to playoff time, the sox have around 90 mil in current payroll, add 10 mil for bonuses and such... 100 mil. that is what they have to play with, per the sox FO of only spending 20 mil now. i have always have maintain the sox can go to 140-16o and i made a post on those numbers. again i still haven't chg my positions, even with some of the salary being given out to price and zach greinke or something like that. now many are seeing how trading a Q can help. either way, does the sox have that money.... yes, will they spend that kind of money .... no. now my question that is still unanswered from you, why would you imagine the sox spend that kind of money and do maybe nothing else???? for what purpose??? Why would they do nothing else? They are looking for infielders, for starting and relief pitchers, now free agent OF which is a surprise, but probably the easiest way to get a bigger offensive upgrade. They knew they were still short last year and said they weren't where they wanted to be even when we all were excited about thei chances. They will do what they can. They see the same things we see on the field, and even more things we do not.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 07:59 AM) Well he's going to get more expensive through arbitration and they were mostly likely going never going sign him to an extension. That 4.3 million is a 3.8 million increase from previous year. A's saved the growing increase in arbitration and get prospects back. How about you try it again LMAO. An MVP 3rd baseman making $4.3 million. Getting paid less than Zach Duke, and you think what they received for him was a decent haul? 2 mediocre pitchers, an 19 year old who hasn't hit the U.S. yet and a guy they are trying to sell low. Also remember you have to pay the players you receive in a trade. It was ultimately an awful return. A horrible trade. If the White Sox did that you would be calling for heads to roll.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 07:56 AM) So if the Sox sign Upton, what is the likely scenario with Garcia? Do they trade him? Does he have options left to be sent down? I think he can be sent down, but I think it is more likely he would move on. The Sox don't want to pay guys $2 million to play at Charlotte. Maybe there is someone somewhere who can figure out a way to get Avi to recognize pitches. He works hard, but until he changes some things up, it seems his star is dimming quickly. Still, Upton has to be considered unlikely I would assume.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 07:45 AM) Levine as well as others have mentioned the White Sox looking at RHP starting options. I think they are trading Erik Johnson. And if they are serious about Upton, you would have to think Avi has a foot out the door, as a throw in for something.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 07:36 AM) I have been one of the biggest detractors to giving up draft picks of any kind. I feel like if they were going to do this they should have just traded Shark. I am draft fan and some of it is me selfishly wanting to be entertained on draft night. If the White Sox gave up a pick in the 20's for Ian Desmond or Daniel Murphy I'd be furious. I don't think anyone should be upset for doing it for Upton though. Upton was a 3.6 WAR player last year playing in the Cavernous PetCo Park. He would immediately upgrade the White Sox biggest area of need (RF) with a 28 power bat. If they are willing to spend, he's probably the guy. The benefits to having the draft pick are more related to flexibility in my opinion than the actual player taken. The player taken with the 25th pick in the draft will probably never be as good as Upton. It's not that simple though. If the Sox have 3 picks on the first night of June's draft, I'll be happy about it. If Justin Upton is the White Sox starting RF on Opening Day though, I'd be happy about that too. Yes. If ultimately they sign Upton and lose the pick, the Shark deadline "trade" would be for a very highly paid Justin Upton, which also gets Avi off the field. So even those still pissed Shark wasn't traded at the deadline would have to back down a bit.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 07:37 AM) Josh Donaldson turned into 4 players including Brett Lawrie. If they trade him for say 3 prospects or so then that's 6 prospects for Donaldson they would never be able afford Donaldson.made $4.3 million his MVP year, and won't be a free agent for 3 more seasons. Try again.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 07:17 AM) The Sox are not contenders with all the holes they have so spending money from limited funds to sign a player that turns 35 in May is just plain dumb. If the Sox were one or two players short of being contenders then I can see taking the chance but they aren't. I much prefer to give Sanchez another year at 2B and see if his bat comes around. I am not advocating the White Sox sign him although if they did and I was in charge, 3B or Ss is where he would initially play. There has to be concerns about Sanchez's bat. He got real hot last year then fell apart again. It could be because he played winter ball he was just tired, if you figure he is used to ending his season at the beginning of September. I am hoping Micah shows enough defensive improvement he could play there. To me he is Ray Durham II.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 07:08 AM) One year of control left is a good reason not to trade for Reddick. I'm just not a fan of one year rentals. Lawrie's price might not be high initially but if other teams come in to play and especially division rivals, the price will go up. Beane is not stupid by any means. Oh, and trading Russell helped get the A's into the playoffs and later gave the A's 3 useful MLB players while they rebuild and a young minor leaguers with high OBP potential. Jury is still out on that move. As for Donaldson, I'd say the A's lost that trade but Oakland did need the starting pitching so it makes some sense although I think they surely could have done better. The A's played one playoff game and Samardzija didn't pitch. There is no way the White Sox package of players could be traded for Addison Russell. Beane gambled big time and lost. He cut his losses a bit on that trade, but still lost by a lot. If Rick Hahn made that move and it turned out exactly like it did, KW would be getting blasted for it forever.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 07:03 AM) Sox had expressed interest in Saltalamacchia (spelling) before they signed Navarro/Avila. I saw that but since he signed for close to the minimum, I am guessing they threw out a minor league deal if they were going to sign him.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 06:57 AM) That's all fine and dandy but how well is he going to play for the duration of the four year contract? Zobrist turns 35 in May. Some players are fine in their mid to late 30s. He out up a 2 WAR as a 34 year old and that was with a significant injury. 4 years is probably too long, but you have to pay for an extra year usually on the free agent market. With pitchers, you pay for an extra 2 or 3 or more all the time. Jim Thome came to the White Sox as a 35 year old and hit 228 homers from that point on. I think the team that signs him will be glad they did for a couple of years at the very least.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 06:52 AM) Are you really going to ignore the moves where Billy got surplus value? Come on. Adding Reddick will cost the Sox alot more. I'd love to have Reddick but over the summer supposedly Billy told Reddick he wasn't going anywhere so now where looking at over paying for Reddick to pry him away from Oakland. You are ignoring the moves where he did not. All I am saying is being afraid to trade with Beane because you think he knows better would have cost teams a couple of studs in recent times. Lawrie's price won't be high, certainly not as high as the price Beane paid to get him.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 06:39 AM) Indians and Tigers are rumored to have interest in Lawrie as well. Trading Lawrie is looking more like a classic Billy move where the A's get more than expected. I'm starting to wonder about this... Addison Russell and Josh Donaldson. Beane turned that into Marcus Semien and Danny Valencia.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 06:14 AM) Good, I'm glad a team is willing to give Zobrist a four year deal because I sure as hell would not commit four years to a 34 year old "super utility" player. Considering the state of the Sox, that money could be much better spent elsewhere. Super utility guy has been under a 5.0 WAR only twice since 2008. He, at least saber metrically, has been one of the better players in baseball for many years.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 06:24 AM) yes i have and i haven't step back from that. ... open the purse strings to do multiple transaction if they would be willing to go in the 140 mil salary. but that is not going to happen. they already mention 20 mil increase. now look at the reasoning on this rumor??? for what reason??? does this move fix all of the holes the sox have??? what resources will it take to go out and get a 3b if they do, after they sign upton??? the sox will not go anymore than 120 mil salary. so again, why spend all your allowance on this one move?? I think they have more money to play with than a lot of people want to assume. Some current players are getting increases, but between the 2 catchers signing and the players who are now off the books, Samedzija, Alexei, Beckham. Soto, Bonafacio, Keppinger, Noeisi, Guerra, Flowers they are at about -$30 million from last year before those increases. When they acquired Samardzija, they wanted to sign him long term, so they had to have funds available. I don't know why you and at least one other poster assumes no way over $120 million. They were at $119 last year, and payroll usually goes up.