Dick Allen

I bet Eaton goes if Alexei wasn't out by 2 miles the ither night

They need to load the bases if your TB

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 02:47 PM) I agree. Worrying about a mythical wildcard berth rather than developing a young pitcher. Albers was up in the 2nd inning. I think there is more to it than playing like they can't afford another loss.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) Dick / Caufield - Can you guys please put each other on ignore. Both of you are clearly big Sox fans, but see things differently. That or before you respond to each other's posts...you need to bust out some "woooo saaaaaa's". happily.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 12:11 PM) He was with the Expos and Marlins, but that was probably before your time... And he was smart enough to take an anomalous/outlying year from Edwin Jackson and turn him into Max Scherzer. So if JR ordered KW to trade Sale, Q, and Abreu for prospects, and those prospects turned out to be pretty good 5 or 6 years from that moment, and the White Sox won the wild card after signing a premier free agent like Ivan Rodriquez that offseason, you would give KW full credit for building that team, correct? And what exactly was his claim to fame with the Expos? He did draft Charles Johnson, Cliff Floyd and Rondell White, but that isn't incredible, especially considering in the draft he got White he had 10 of the first 53 picks in the entire draft. Joe Nathan. Remember that name.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 10:25 AM) Other than Chris Sale, the White Sox have done what exactly....it's definitely not very good. KW proved he could run out of pieces to land a Cabrera well enough, or a Max Scherzer. We turned Edwin Jackson into....some dudes from Toronto. The Tigers traded Jackson for who would become one of the five best pitchers in baseball, Max Scherzer. That's really good. Victor Martinez over Adam Dunn, also pretty good. If only JR was rich enough, the White Sox could have done the same thing.....and averaged well over 30,000 fans per game for over a decade. Brilliant. Tell KW to spend another $50-100 million, all our problems will be solved. Get off the KW ran out of pieces to land Cabrera bandwagon that you hopped on after an erroneous post as to why the White Sox didn't get him. Besides that was 2 years after KW foolishly gave up prospects for guys like Freddy Garcia and wound up winning a WS, something DD failed to do in Detroit.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 10:08 AM) By playoff appearances alone... He traded Maybin and Miller for Cabrera...a move that KW pulled off but couldn't. Dumb trade. Idiotic. Perfect comparison with typical KW move, though. Do you really expect to win an argument that DD is the same as KW with four consecutive AL Central titles, 3 ALCS, two World Series....that's not even counting 1997. Who do you think was beating the Cubs in 2003? Remember Josh Beckett and all of the young arms they accumulated? Who do you think did that? Who do you think had the Expos with the best record in baseball in 1994, again, largely will the players he developed in that system before leaving in 1991 for the Marlins. While Dombrowski didn't deliver a title, he did deliver a team that had it within reach during its recent four-year run, losing in the American League Championship Series in 2011 and 2013, and the World Series in 2012; that's on top of an AL pennant won in 2006. He acquired some of the best talent of a generation to make it possible, trading for Miguel Cabrera and Max Scherzer. He presided over some outstanding drafts, the best of which was Justin Verlander, but also producing useful talents such as Curtis Granderson, Rick Porcello, Andrew Miller, Alex Avila, Matt Joyce and Cameron Maybin. On Dombrowski's watch, the Tigers became more than just a going concern, they became a model franchise. He also picked up JD Martinez on waivers and got the best of the Iglesias/Avi Garcia swap. Robin Ventura is simply Jim Leyland with less talent to work with.... Again, you told us in this thread you can't judge managers and GMs by playoff appearances and records. In 14 years if other than Verlander the best the farm produces is: Curtis Granderson, Rick Porcello, Andrew Miller, Alex Avila, Matt Joyce and Cameron Maybin it's really not very good. Certainly not franchise changing like trading 2 months of Samardjiza would have been. LMAO.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) Friedman is making $7 million. Passan and I are crazy people. The Dodgers lured Andrew Friedman away from the Rays by making him the highest-paid front office executive in baseball, with a $35 million contract over five years to be the Dodgers president of baseball operations, according to Buster Olney of ESPN. Epstein is at $18 million for five years, or $3.6 million per season. Brian Cashman, $3 million. So Dombrowski is going to make $10 million a year? Here's a wager you won't take. If he gets $10 million a year, I will take a year off this site. If he doesn't you take a year off this site. Deal?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:18 AM) I doubt Dombrowski agrees with the assessment of "some success." Three AL Championship Series and one World Series in the last four years isn't "some" success. That's pretty hard to do. Maybe he didn't feel appreciated. Maybe he wanted a mega-deal (at 59, it may be his last big payday). Ilitch said he released Dombrowski in part to let him pursue other opportunities. I'll tell you this: He'll have no shortage of suitors. Plenty of major league teams would love four straight years of playoffs, even if they don't come home with a ring. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnis...litch/31146965/ Mitch Albom column You don't judge GM's by records and titles. You already told us that. LMAO. How many times will you contradict your statement in this thread? Also, what is the state of the Detroit farm system, and how many homegrown players do they have contributing to wins? Seems he is KW like with his prospects. 6 top ten picks in his tenure, Verlander stuck, the other 5 he traded away. He basically is KW with a bigger budget.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:14 AM) Who told him to give out those deals to keep his beloved Tigers in the fold? Mike Ilitch. Who told him it would cost Max Scherzer, not being able to resign David Price, Porcello, Fister, etc. Dave Dombrowski If there's one area to get on DD, it's the bullpen circus since 2006 with the likes of Valverde, Rodney and Nathan. Dombrowski's departure will appease those demanding a pound of flesh for the starting pitching and bullpen deficiencies. But the biggest decisions made over the last three years – Prince Fielder's outrageous free agent contract and locking up Justin Verlander and Miguel Cabrera to high-priced extensions a year before they hit free agency – weren't made on a general manager's whim. Yet you want to give him credit for what went on with the Marlins. Allowing him to spend the money was a big reason for his success. Wasn't signing free agents and then dumping them on the owner as well?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 02:41 AM) http://www.freep.com/story/sports/2015/08/...litch/31138765/ Free Press sportswriter takes the Ilitches to task... http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/i...s-end-of-an-era Chrstina Kahrl opinion Jeff Passan Last year a Brown student named Lewis Pollis wrote his senior thesis on just how undervalued front-office personnel truly are. The paper starts off with a stunning claim: one standard deviation of a GM's ability to find players is worth nearly eight wins above replacement – or more than $50 million a year. Essentially, Pollis wrote, a great GM can have almost as big of an impact annually as Mike Trout. Pollis estimated the value between the best and worst free-agent buyers (San Francisco's Brian Sabean on top and ex-Baltimore GM Jim Beattie at the bottom) at nearly $43 million a year, and that's to say nothing of their abilities to pull off trades or draft and develop. Granted, Pollis' numbers pegged Dombrowski below average, dragged down by the 119-loss season as well as other rebuilding projects he took over. In reality, those only strengthened his reputation. He can come into a strong situation and make it stronger. He can come into a dumpster fire and hose it into tranquility. Dombrowski's standing among executives is unparalleled. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-dave-domb...-230836111.html http://sabr.org/sites/default/files/Pollis..._It-2014-04.pdf Page 68-69 has the ratings. Hahn was average, KW in the bottom quartile and Neal Huntington, Dayton Moore, Randy Smith, John Hart, Dean Taylor and Jim Beattie as the six worst. Ed Lynch and Dan Evans both fared surprisingly well, as did Omar Minaya. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 11:06 PM) * Amen. There's more to assessing managers and GM's than overall records or playoff appearances. When assessing DD, with the $356 million still guaranteed to Verlander and Miggy come into play down the line when Detroit sucks for many, many years?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 11:06 PM) Amen. There's more to assessing managers and GM's than overall records or playoff appearances. Anyone who can consistently build the best farm system working for the Expos...and then turn around and succeed despite Huizenga and John Henry deserves a Medal of Honor. He was smart enough to get out of Miami before Loria arrived, but did miss the second World Series title come to fruition as a result. You will now be held to this. LMAO. Let's see in how many posts you contradict this statement, just today. You already did in your very next post in the same thread.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 08:02 PM) 35 years of putz-tastic ownership from the guy! Why is that a putz move? Seems to me you should be applauding having nothing to do with a guy who was groome dby a guy who was the GM through 15 playoff less seasons leaving his minor league system in shambles. You so blind with the JR hate, even if he does what you want you moan about it.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 05:36 PM) The best GM in baseball should have at least one World Series ring. I know that's a lofty goal and all, but it's true. Dombrowski has one.

doesn't know how to build a farm system. Can't figure out how to build a bullpen. Go away and take Ausmus with you. Some comments from Tigers fans after a DD article. Did they copy and paste Soxtalk?

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 04:46 PM) if i remember correctly, before Adam laroche was signed, there was a discussion on this site of a nice signing for the dh. KM was discussed then as well. In fact' when Robin pitched around KM the opening series, he was called a dope. Hindsight is a helluva drug.

The White Sox wouldn't just name a new scouting director if Dombrowski was coming. I think he is going to the Angels.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 04:22 PM) I guess he was fired for not adding to the roster and going for it at the deadline, we all know that their owner is desperate for a championship. Dombrowski appears to be a victim of his owner's desperation. The guy is in his 80s and he knows the clock is tickng. That is one thing people miss about JR. I think he is 78, and most of his investors are the same age or older. They don't want to invest 3 or 4 or 5 years in a totsl rebuild with no guarantee it will work. I think they wiill be doing a mini Illich trying to get back to contention.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 04:15 PM) Just going to annotate these SP FAs with some numbers. Pitcher - 2015 WAR/2014+2015 WAR, career FIP (age in 2016 season) David Price - 3.7/9.8, 3.24 (30) Johnny Cueto - 3.1/7.7, 3.79 (30) Scott Kazmir - 2.6/5.8, 3.89 (32) Mat Latos - 1.5/3.2, 3.40 (28) Mike Leake - 1.6/3.8 4.17 (28) Jordan Zimmerman - 2.4/7.7, 3.33 (30) Yovani Gallardo - 1.6/3.3, 3.73 (30) Ian Kennedy - -0.5/3.0, 4.03 (31) Jeff Samardzija - 2.4/6.6, 3.74 (31) Brett Anderson - 1.3/2.3, 3.54 (28) (note -> last season before 2015 that he threw 100 IP was 2010) Does Samardzija really look like the worst or second worst of those groups in terms of market value? Price, Cueto, and Zimmerman are the only ones who I'd say are a lock to earn more. Let's not forget that Samardzija also has the sort of name recognition that tends to make guys money. He is middle of the road. It will be interesting to see if there are enough 9 figure deals to go around this winter. I think he will get paid, but that could be the biggest obstacle in his way. I know one thing, I wouldn't want to owe him $100 million or more. I have a hard time thinking he is going to get better from here.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 03:58 PM) Since Dombrowski was originally with the Sox, wouldn't hiring him be a loyalty move? Of course.

QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 02:57 PM) Garcia still in the lineup....what a surprise Yeah they should throw Trace Thompson to the wolves, and then when he goes 0-4 with the golden sombrero, we can b**** about Robin's managerial skills, and then go back to his lack of experience when he took the job.

What is interesting about this report, if accurate, was the Sox were granted a window, didn't sign him, but still made the trade. Did they think he would change his mind after a couple of months with the Sox? Was the package bigger if he did extend? What was the purpose of the window if they still made the trade with no signature?

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Aug 3, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) That's the thing, though. Even if nothing ever comes of this, he's done. Nothing wipes away that kind rep. I doubt nothing ever comes of this. I think there was a reason the world knew the FBI was at Jared's house, and I don't think it was his neighbors alerting the media. They, more than likely, have some real damning stuff against him. If he did talk to the women about his "fetish" even if he didn't act, it would be enough for him not to be a spokesman for my company. It could be just coincidence the guy running his charity was busted for what he was busted for, but that seems a bit improbable. I know this is the USA, innocent until proven guilty, but you can connect some dots, and realize something was more than likely happening that shouldn't happen. And realize not all criminals wind up in jail. I never recalled people mentioning how OJ's life was ruined 20 years ago being accused of something for which he was found not guilty.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 10:21 AM) JD Martinez would have looked nice in RF or LF and wouldn't have cost us a thing other than a waiver claim. We passed. Detroit didn't. Thirty bombs this year already. Jose Quintana would look pretty good in just about every rotation. Anyone could have had him. Guys fall through the cracks. JD Martinez would be a better RF than Alex Rios, and Q would look pretty good in the rotation for your KC Royals.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 3, 2015 -> 09:01 PM) Some little nerd was throwing his hat in the way but the ball soared over him, dunno why they even discussed it I think he challenged it to get his reliever a few more warm up tosses