Dick Allen

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 07:45 PM) 54 pitches thru 2.2 for Wright. Bullpen already gassed as is Knuckleballers can throw more.

Hey Stone Pony, how did the Sox catch a break missing CC?

I wonder why Hawk thinks Saladino making all the plays got Alexei goimg defensively, when Beckham makimg all the plays did not.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 07:33 PM) You know that Miguel Cabrera fella. When he was put on the block we didn't have the bullets to get him here. Trust me Kenny tried. He just didnt have the horses to do it. Because he keeps going for it. So keep dumping players every year and you have nothing to go over the top when you need to. Agsin who are these prospects that were sent alomg that were missed? Rather ironic you say his trading prospects left the farm in shambles, then complain he didn't have prospects to trade for someone right after he won a World Series.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 06:09 PM) Ehhhh little different. Everyday player >>>> set up guy. While true you would be picking up twice as much money for Upton and 1 1/2 times the cash for Cespedes.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 01:03 PM) I didnt know because thats not entirely true. Star rankings come out as soon as freshman year in HS. I can't find it, but Tom Lemming, a guy I thought evaluated was quoted on it.

I would offer Beck to the Padres and Tigers. First to say yes has a deal.

If the Rays want to leave that market, tradimg Longoria would really help them accomplish that. It is one thing losing good players because you can't sign them. It is quite another trading the face of the franchis signed long term.

QUOTE (Dizzy Sox @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 03:20 PM) After this and the Detroit/BJ's trade today, I'm trying to find a Sellers/Price joke but its just not there. Someone help me out! Back in 1990, the White Sox surprised everyone and came out of nowhere to compete with Oakland for the AL West crown. It was a longshot. Oakland added Harold Baines and Willie McGee with deadline trades. The White Sox added Jerry Hairston and I am not kidding, Minnie Minoso, so he could play in another decade. The commissioner eventually voided Minnie, and the only reason Hairston was signed was as a favor for his pension. The Ozzeroo was not happy.

Saladino and Leury on the big club, they need a SS in Charlotte.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:55 PM) Why would somebody put that in a contract? I don't see the benefit for either side. He becomes a free agent without the required service time, and even if he stayed in Detroit would not be subject to compensation. He basically is betting on himself.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) Not for a couple of months that would be steep. I don't think I would. But I'm sure there are people who would in a heartbeat. It really would be an interesting trade.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) Can he request the release or does the team have to do it? I'm confused by that, sorry. It's part of his contract. Gets him to free agency without the service time or compensation.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:49 PM) Could go both ways. Positive, he likes it here with Aberu and Alexei as fellow Cubans. Negative, no draft pick connected to him and teams will likely overpay. His contract calls for him to be released at the end of the season. Teams releasing players cannot sign them again until May 15th. The team that winds up with Cespedes on the last day of the season will be his ex-team 5 days later.

Would anyone give Detroit Avi back for a couple months of Cespedes?

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:44 PM) Yes Cespedes has a rocket arm and is very good defensively. Plus playing with Abreu we would have a chance to resign him after the season. Trading for him would actually hurt the chances of signing him.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:27 PM) When did Starlin become Public Enemy #1?? It's a real buy low candidate. Maybe the Cubs toss in some money, maybe not. But I don't think it's that crazy. Again, I haven't watched a ton of Cubs games, so I could be wrong. But, sure he's bad at SS, but 3rd base should be a little easier to handle. Look at his stats. Age 20: .300BA, .347OBP, 3HR, 41RBI 71SO Age 21: .307BA, .341OBP, 10HR, 66RBI 96SO Age 22: .283BA, .323OBP, 14HR, 78RBI 100SO Age 23: .245BA, .284OBP, 10HR, 44RBI 129SO Age 24: .292BA, .339OBP, 14HR, 65RBI 100SO I feel like some are pretty dismissive right of the bat. Buying low on a guy, who's salary is under or about $10mm is not awful in this day and age. Look at what some people are getting out there. Yes there is a decline over time, however this is not like an Adam LaRoche drop off because of age. He's 25. Maybe a change of scenery could change things. Just a thought. Not saying I'm a proponent. But -- sorry, its not like Saladino is our answer. And look at the trash we've marched out to 3b over the last decade. I did read he did have more hits before the age of 25 than Pete Rose. The thing is, the guy is a head case. Lackadaisical plays, dumb plays, poor performance...I just think he's a guy that will always thinking he should be better than he is.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:27 PM) On one hand, Garcia looks like he could've used a day off. But....... Avi really should listen to Hawk about hitting. Moving around in the batter's box is very old school and probably went away when baseball became a HR hitting contest. Now that the game has changed, moving around in the box should be pretty common. Especially when you need to hit it the other way. Back off the plate. Make things easy.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:21 PM) I suggested this yesterday. It's not the worst idea. Levine mentions the rest of mlb see him a 3B who can bulk up and be a slugger. I agree there's that chance but cubs would have to give you considerable salary and we give up nothing in terms of prospects for it to happen. I think it was a case of a talented guy getting paid too much too early. He has had 3 or 4 managers. It doesn't seem like anyone is getting through. Maybe someday he wakes up, probably close to the expiration of his contract, but he's not worth the trouble because even in your scenario, it's not worth it to the Cubs to pay him a lot of money to play somewhere else and get nothing in return. They just have to hope he somehow regains what he has lost.

The only one confused is Padilla. He has nothing to throw out there in terms of info, so naturally, the conclusion is the White Sox don't know whether to buy or sell.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:10 PM) I mean, this is all make-believe world. But hypothetically speaking, would you entertain buying low on Starlin Castro and slotting him over to 3B? Not the best defensively in the field, or very good. Also declining numbers offensively, however maybe a change of scenery? I mean, he's only 25 -- put up some real slick numbers at age 20-24. Maybe buy on a down year. Not sure what it'd take to get him. His contract is 8.10.11.12 and then 16mm option. Uh......................no.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 01:42 PM) Show me one article that quote Rick Hahn as saying pitch framing is/was instrumental in Flowers getting so much playing time. Show me the article that quotes anyone from the White Sox saying they play Flowers for the sole purpose of pissing you off, which seems to be why you think he plays. He ranks very high in pitch framing which is a skill whether you want to believe it or not. Every game you watch, balls are calls strikes, strikes are called balls. They also like the way he handles the staff. I'm sure they can't stand how he hits any more than any of us can, and I'm sure they wish he was a bit better at throwing down to 2B. Use some logic man.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 01:34 PM) What people who make the decisions. The Pirates ? There you go being vague again just throwing s*** at the wall like a caged monkey. Who is being vague? The people who make the decisions are the people who put together the White Sox roster, pay the players, and determine who plays. I like Geo Soto, but he's one bad week away from being this must play player to a guy who needs to be DFA'd. It already happened once this year with him. He had some hits, hit a homer, he had to play. He did play, struck out a few times, threw one or 2 into CF, and it was OMG he is so terrible. There is a reason with catching so scarce, Geo Soto was available for a minor league contract.

The more I read about this, the more it seems like the whole thing was a publicity stunt by the Mets. Show the fans you really, really, really wanted an offensive upgrade, and then flunk the physical.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 01:17 PM) OOOh our backup catcher is ranked 38th while hardly playing. I guess I'll just jump on the pitch framing bandwagon now. Welcome all to Small Sample Size Theater. And what does being ranked 38th in pitch framing even mean ? Does it mean he gets an average of .5 strikes called per game while the top 5 get 3 or 4 ? Does Soto ever catch Sale or Quintana ? Need a lot more facts if you're going to throw an arbitrary number like 38th in pitch framing out there. He exclusively catches Samardzija, so Flowers misses some of that, and they get the same relievers. Extra strikes lead to extra outs. Dimiss it all you want, but apparently the people who make the decisions believe in it.