Dick Allen

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) This is rich, no matter what happens, you have a defense for the organization...par for the course. Surely you've scouted all those guys who were acquired and have already deduced they're all going to end up as busts. Since nobody knows the actual offers on the table (and when they were made, Hahn was supposedly ready to fold 4-6 weeks ago), we will never know, all the we can do is surmise. Kind of a pointless exercise, although those who think it was wise to hold onto Samardzija will surely be outnumbered by a 3:1 ratio. Next you will try to spin that their strategy all along was to position themselves at the very bottom of the also-rans, but not far enough out of the race that they couldn't pick off all those players from the waiver wire like Jay Bruce, CarGo, Justin Upton, Ethier, etc. Brilliant! Why don't teams just do that every season? We can play chicken with other organizations and end up with another Alex Rios in 2009...who will help us about half the time and the other half we'll want to strangle him and whose salary will be so bloated it will prevent us from making other moves for younger players who might actually be in their primes from 2016-2019. Both sides of the fence to you: We want them to not waste top 3-4 minor league prospects on a rental but still trade Samardzija and take our chances with EJ if there's no way to do a bigger trade like Puig and 4/5 starter for Quintana. So, in your world, there's only buying or selling, and a combination of both those is way too complex to understand? If you bothered to read, I agreed with nearly everyone we shouldn't overpay for a rental and that we'd probably end up getting someone like Mike Napoli as a waiver claim (albeit too late). Maybe Valencia now, who knows. KW trading Anderson or Montas or Micah or even EJ for Upton/Cespedes would have been insane, especially the first two players. In the end, there's no way in hell that fans will expect much of anything from whoever they draft with that pick...because analysis of all those picks outside of the Top 3 every year shows not to expect much of picks in 20's, 30's and 40's as a general rule of thumb. But we won't really know if it was a bad pick until 2018 or 2019 so perhaps fans won't even care as much by then if the White Sox are actually competing for the playoffs. At least it was entertaining for you to argue the Royals had blown all their chances to compete after this season by blowing their wad on Cueto and Zobrist...somehow KC was the only team dumb enough to pay such exorbidant rates for 2 month rentals. Then tell me what were they supposed to trade for Cespedes or Upton, and link me to the offers for Samardzija. I stated yesterday, ideally they could do both, but you have to have cooperation from the other side. I gave you what Leake cost, why would Samardzija be more? Cespedes would have at least cost Montas, or Eric Johnson and another player because if the offers are the same, Detroit isn't going to help the White Sox.Not one team traded with SD despite rumors. The asking prices had to be ridiculous. So, just tell me what they could have done, without you saying they overpayed or got ripped off. Enough of the jump on the bandwagon of the day and throw as much bulls*** out there as you can. Try to be at least semi-logical.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 09:23 AM) It we had Posey or Molina or Yan Gomes or Sal Perez or Matt Wieters or Russell Martin or Yasmani Grandal, nobody would care much about Nottingham. Nottingham has a .525 OPS since he was traded. I know sample size. But don't tell me if the Sox traded Shark and he was the main piece you wouldn't be dwelling on that over and over again. Hanging on to Shark is costing money, but as far as the future of the franchise, it is costing them nothing. You will whine from both sides of the fence. You actually wondered if KW was insane a couple of days ago, then you compalined about the Sox being conservative yesterday. Leake got the Reds a high A pitcher. Cespedes got the Tigers a preseason top 100 pitcher with an ERA below 2.00. No one traded with SD because their prices were insane. This is the best course, and the Sox are currently in good position to make waiver claims as the teams in the AL below them have no reason to block if they feel they are out of it. And I know you will tell me I am wrong because that is what you do. I tried to copy and paste a quote from you one time in a thread you were comtrdicting yourself, but I did it wrong and it looked like I posted it. You started arguing with it. It was hysterical. Arguing your own post. Considering the theme was KW is in charge and he is going to trade any prospect worth a damn for players who won't help the Sox , people should be happy that didn't happen. Now apparently, 2 months of Samardzija is worth franchise changing prospects since they didn't trade him. I know one thing, there is no way you wouldn't be ripping the return if they did trade him.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 08:40 AM) The Blue Jays had under 30,000 at home on a Friday night against the Royals (Cueto starting, too) with all of the momentum in the world behind them this week, the trades for Tulo/Price, "best offense in the game 1-6," etc. Just like the Sox, teams that have been losing for many years (going back to the World Series teams in the early 90's), it takes time for the fans to jump back on board and trust the organization again 100%. The Royals only draw more than Toronto and the White Sox on the road. Johnny Cueto isn't a road draw. as I have stated many times, walk up tickets aren't as big as they used to be. Most have their seats far in advance.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 08:36 AM) I'm not for sending him down, but Rodon was lousy last night. Hawk tried to make excuses because of a missed called strike three, but I'm not buying it. His control/command/location is awful. It was a missed pitch and it did lead to the scoring 5 runs, whether thwt would have made a difference last night, that is up for debate. They still got him in other parts of the game. That one pitch though is interesting. If Flowers catches, known as the better framer, does he get that pitch, and does it potentially save 5 runs?

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:51 PM) How many years do we have to appease these f***ing people by keeping a flawed team entact to avoid screams of White Flag!? I would have White Flagged this team even if we were tied for the wild card. However our front office lacks convinction and cares about further affecting an already meger attendance. You make it sound like they turned down an entire team's elite propsects for Samrdzija. What was out there? I would think his return would have been similar to Leake's. Is that really a franchise changer vs. the comp pick?

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 07:25 AM) Care to discuss? Right from the start, most people felt that he could have spent a couple more months in the minors. His WHIP has been in the 1.50 range for 2 months now. His walk rate is absurd, and he's a two pitch starter with poor command on those pitches and no confidence in his third pitch. Throw in the fact that EJ is ready for a promotion, and now with Shark staying, we have the luxury of letting Rodon develop a bit more in the minors. So no, I don't think this is based on overreaction to one particular start. If the moment a rookie struggles he needs to be sent to the minors, there wouldn't be a league. He was awesome the outing before last and has had the typical rookie struggles. He is workimg with Coop on his change up. No need to send him down, and no need to think Johnson would be any better.

Maybe Flowers framing gets the call on Ryan. We will never know, but this gsme is ova.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 07:01 PM) a sub-.500 club has no room to complain about moving a guy who's been here for a little more than half a season and will likely be gone by next year anyway They have had a good month. Pulling the plug right when they get back into it is not a good message.

Look what Detroit gor for Cespedes. A top 100 prospect with an ERA under 2.00 plus another guy. The Sox would have had to trump that. It doesn't make sense for a 60 game rental. No one was willing to pay SD prices, so Upton didn't make sense either. Trading Shark, unless it was a deal you couldn't say no is kimd of slapping the rest of the roster in the face. Maybe a waiver claim if they win a couple of more series will make some sense.

Since prospects suck and should be traded for 2 month rentals, why does KW get so much crap around here?

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) If you want to sum it up. The front office just said f*** the playoff spot. That's really what happened here. Exactly. They said f*** the fans, especially those idiots on Soxtalk. Let's piss them off and do nothing and hopefully start a nice losing streak.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) Zero. He will be blocked and a trade won't be worked out to anyone's satisfaction. The only way he could get through is with an onerous contract. Why would a non playoff team block him? And a team in contention might be willing to trade something for him. If not, there's a draft pick which everyone seems to hate, although they also hate signing established MLB players and giving up lower picks than the one the Sox will receive. You don't know the offers, so why don't you just stop this act trying to get the complainers going for just one day?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:13 PM) You either buy or sell. Either you think you can make the postseason and strengthen that thought by adding a bat or you sell because you don't think you have enough. Don't just sit there and think we have enough, because honestly we don't. The one time the Sox won the WS, they added Geoff Blum who wasn't a big add at the time. Became one in one AB, but other than that one AB was pretty insignificant. I am not comparing this team to that one, but the deals have to make sense. We can all be disappointed, but if we don't know the cost to add or the offer to sell, it's all complaining perhaps about something you would be complaining about not happening.

Glad they didn't overpay for Cespedes. His price to the White Sox would have been higher than what they would have taken from the Mets. Hung on to Shark, mixed emotions. If the last week was for real, or at least semi-real, this team is going to win games. All in all, pretty surprised at nothing though.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:02 PM) Between Sale last night, Billy Pierce passing away, all the moves other teams made to improve themselves, Detroit getting a lot stronger for next season compared to a week ago...all of the excitement about the last two months of the season has kind of gone out of the balloon. The excitement the last 2 months of the season? LMAO.

If the situation was reversed, and the packages were similar, I am sure Hahn would trade a guy like Cespedes to the Mets rather than the Tigers. Just be happy the Sox didn't overpay a divison rival for a rental.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:45 PM) lol. how does he know all this from Busch Stadium? KW had RH text him.

QUOTE (RaySox @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:35 PM) Maybe Tigers leaked that White Sox aren't favorites to get them to up the price. Who else would?

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:18 PM) All indications are the #Padres have nothing happening on Justin Upton. It appears he's staying put at deadline. https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/627195732957769728 Pay him to play meaningless games. That's a pretty expensive draft pick to hang on to. OTOH, considering this GM is pretty new, it would show others he won't cave at the end. Still , using these guys to try to increase the offer isn't exactly new.

I think the KU kid had the color of his Sox mixed up. The Cubs, Padres and Red Sox were supposedly discussing 3 ways (and some trades as well).

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) They could always work out an extension before the end of the year. Yes, but this close to free agency doesn't make too much sense to pass that up. Especially when it is Detroit, because no matter what, Detroit sucks and always will.

Might as well wait until the last second and call some bluffs.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) It's hard to believe that Cespedes won't move when the Tigers moved Price and Cespedes won't return a draft pick. Not only that but if they want Cespedes back next season, he has to be on another team.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:59 PM) I'm guessing Nightengale is getting pestered by White Sox fans and decided to just throw out a hollow update I think you are probably correct.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:55 PM) What scares me about that tweet is Nightengale has a very good Sox source, so our FO might actually think that this is an issue when they have Leury Garcia rotting on the bench. Have you ever heard of a team not upgrading because they "have no room" on their roster? It is not even a consideration.