Dick Allen

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 06:39 PM) Yet Flowers continues to play. He had 2 big hits last night.

Hanley Ramirez just doesn't give a s***.

A California Imdependent League is having balls and strikes called by a computer tonight.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) What's it to you ? Oh yea forgot you snuggle with Beckham. Somehow the Sox are scoring more runs with Gillaspie gone. He isn't and won't be missed. Whining about Gillaspie is beyond a reach.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 03:21 PM) I can only imagine the overreaction in this thread tonight if Samardzija gets torched and the Sox lose. The ironic thing is, for Samardjiza's value, you need him to pitch well. If he pitches well, that lessens the odds he's dealt. I hope the Sox win 12-0. The draft pick is always a fall back option. It will be interesting to see if he isn't traded, if some of the proposals are ever leaked. I think if they were for future HOFers, he would have been traded by now even if they don't want to wave a white flag.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 25, 2015 -> 10:33 PM) Of course Sox could've DFA'd Beckham or Bonifacio and used Conor as a DH instead of the slumbering lumbering LaRoche but noooooooo they make too much money to DFA and LaRoche makes waaaaaay too much to bench. ,though Gordo and Boni have been glued to the bench since Saladino arrived. Actual complaining about losing Conor Gillaspie?

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) He's being traded this week. He's on a tear and healthy. Tulo was just traded. Time is now for them. Obviously it depends on the offers, but the insider guys get used so much. Heyman is Boras' personal play toy.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) Did he make the All-Star team or not? Was he the lone (token) representative from the Angels? I think not. Adam Dunn made the All Star team for the White Sox. Was he the token rep? I think not. Not even an injury replacement. He was a stud.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) Apparently the Reds agree. Who has come up the same season he was drafted, (pitched in the College World Series in the case of Finnegan) and then the MLB World Series? Cincy was convinced he had a future as a starter, that's all that matters, in the end. And they liked Reed a lot. With Lamb, anyone who's had TJ surgery once is a risk, but he was a huge prospect at one time, like Drabeck. What matters is your scouting report said Finnegan and Duffy were the future. One of them is gone. One of them has been injured and struggled. And their starters have been pretty bad anyways. Burning out the bullpen. Simple regression. Having to pay players. The future is not so bright in KC. The cow town won't attract free agents unless they overpay.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) They don't want Zobrist for next year, they need him for these 2 1/2 months. Simple. Back to the drawing board? If you're living under a rock, they've added guys like Madson, Hochevar (back from injury) and Medlen to take some of the pressure off that bullpen. They're unlikely to sign Cueto or Price, but then I never thought Glass would okay spending $55 million on Gil Meche a decade ago or bringing in Jose Guillen, either. You can guarantee they will bring in SOMEONE for their starting rotation before next season. The irony is that we're talking about all these moves not paying off and "blowing up" if they don't win the World Series. This is the Royals, remember? Two or three seasons ago they were a laughingstock..."we keep hearing about all these young prospects, blah blah...they screwed up the franchise by trading Wil Myers, etc." I'm sure if I went back to the thread on the day Myers/Odorizzi/Montgomery were traded for Davis and Shields, it will be filled with those critical of the move and saying the Royals were nuts. And Odorizzi and Montgomery (with Seattle) was a big price to pay, but Myers has never come close to being the cornerstone player he was projected to be. How's Medlin doing Royals boy? Hochevar isn't doing squat. That bullpen has been burning at both ends and it will catch up. And just wait until it is time to pay those guys. Better win now Royals. It's going to be a very short ride. On the bright side, when they get back to their losing ways, you will have the greatest beat writers in baseball to feed you BS you can eat up.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) I wasn't referring to Donaldson. I was referring to the trade suggestions of getting a few of Toronto's decent prospects in exchange for Q. That is extremely undervaluing him. I agree. I don't understand what trading Q for prospects accomplishes other than having your farm system ranked higher. It certainly won't win more games.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:03 PM) How's that? You really don't think they are capable of taking the $100 million they were going to have to spend on Alex Gordon and investing it in their pitching staff, which is basically the same thing they did coming into this season....spreading the James Shields/Aoki money around to Morales, Chris Young, Alex Rios, Joe Blanton, Hochevar and Kris Medlen? They'll need to add another starting pitcher before next season, but they still have Kyle Zimmer and Medlen as options, just to name two. They're selling out quite a few of their games and have the best tv ratings of any team in their regional market. With Volquez, Duffy, Ventura and some filler for the 4-5 spots (Guthrie/Blanton/Young/Vargas), they're sitting in a decent position. Certainly they'll add another starter next off-season, although it probably won't be Price or Cueto (but you never know). Most importantly, they still have that all in their primes core of cost-controlled Lorenzo Cain, Moustakas, Escobar, Hosmer and Sal Perez. In all likelihood, Mondesi, Jr., replaces Infante, but he's not ready yet. They still have the best bullpen. With Gordon out and Mondesi, Jr., not ready, they made the most logical move/s to give them the best possible chance to get back to the World Series again this year, without precluding them from competing for at least the next two, if not three seasons. Oh, the TV ratings. They gave up 5 arms in 2 KW moves, Finnegan, a guy you said was one of the greatest prospects in the game, and a top 60 prospect for rentals. History has shown deadline acquistions rarely determine the WS outcome, so trading 5 prospects and burning out your bullpen isn't a recipe for sustained success. If the Royals can't re-sign Gordon, they won't be able to get Cueto or Zobrist. This is their shot. If they blow it, it will be back to the drawing board.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:39 PM) This. Lots of people undervaluing Quintana around these parts. Donaldson has been about a 6.5-7.0 WAR player now for 3 seasons, and he makes little now. While I think Q is under appreciated he isn't as valuable as Donaldson.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:53 PM) ha, no. Q's age and performance is right there. I don't think there is any question Donaldson is more valuable, but he is about to make some money which would even it out a bit. But no way TOR would do a Donaldson/Q straight up trade even if they were not in contention.

Hasn't history shown that deadline deals rarely pay off? KC did get Cueto and Zobrist, probably about as good as they can do, at the cost of 5 arms. If they don't win the WS, they pretty much shot their wad.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:18 PM) That's a big difference from what you see in Oakland with Beane having Zaidi (now Forst) as his side kick, different than Theo and Jed on the North Side and different than Jon Daniels and Preller before Preller left, Friedman and Zaidi in LA, LaRussa and Stewart in Arizona, and on and on and on. So these are all examples of what you want the White Sox front office to be, or not? Try to be clear. You never quite spell things out clearly, but make intimations and suggestions and throw out things but it SEEMED you were using the above combinations as "positive" and not negative examples of successful front office partnerships? How is LaRussa and Stewart such an example? That's more like KW and Buddy Bell than anything. Not sure what the DBacks have ever done recently to merit much praise as an organization. Hinch was included as an example of someone the DBacks kicked out of the organization who is the quintessential modern day baseball exec/manager with high level analytical abilities but the modern day touch with players. Basically, the best of Tony LaRussa without the pricky personality, egomania and drunk driving. Hinch was 84-123 in a year and a half as the DBacks manager. Kirk Gibson, as old school as can be, took his place and they won 94 games the next season.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:06 PM) So, do people still feel like Samardzija gets traded at this point? It feels like they're just going to stand pat to me. I doubt it will be today. Maybe tomorrow, but if they keep winning....They can always trade him in August. No, he won't clear waivers, but he will clear the teams that have no shot, and then maybe someone gives you something better than the comp pick. But if the Sox win the next 3 or 2 out of 3...right now they are 1.5 games behind Toronto, tied in the loss column. They don't need crazy scenerios to occur other than winning games and Minnesota losing to have a really good shot. They are pretty much equal with the rest of the competition when it comes to games lost.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:44 PM) So you have Hahn and Haber, both analytics guys, who aren't homegrown. Not sure how you can have a connection with the team prior to working in baseball... Brooks Boyer's previous employer is... Jerry Reinsdorf. So you have Marco Paddy and Buddy Bell. Then the rest of the organization is mostly made up of guys who played for the Sox or went to a very impressive college. I am not sure you have much of an argument here. The Sox aren't unique in that way. People hire who they know.

The only reason to trade Q is for an established hitter. Since he is a cheap stud pitcher, the Sox don't need that. They don't need prospects where you hope one turns into something close to Q. If they trade him, they need to get back someone who hits in the major leagues, and will for a while. Otherwise, it's just trading to trade, and you will almost certainly become worse off.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:59 AM) And Rabbit has been 100% right with all of his predictions, LOL. Should I bump the thread where I predicted Hector Santiago to be a future stud/starter after his first relief outing with the White Sox? If there had been a Cy Young vote in April, Simon and Greene both would have been up there. I thought you were a big advanced stats guy? Santiago's FIP,xFIP, and SIERRA don't peg him as much of a stud.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:49 PM) I don't think the Blue Jays have the ammo for Q after the Tulo deal Not unless they want to give up Donaldson. Throw in Alexei, move Saladino to SS. Crazy talk for sure, but there has to be some reason they traded for Tulo. They must be planning on giving up a bat here soon.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) Reyes is an absolute BUTCHER at SS at this point in his career. No thanks. He definitely was against the White Sox, but his season totals aren't that bad. Tulo is only a 1.5 WAR guy so far this year. This is going to turn out really great for TOR or really bad.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) True, but that money pick up was muted by sending Reyes, who, with his salary (around the same as Tulo's although for fewer years), had negative value. This was a steal for Toronto I think. Rodon >>>>>>> than Hoffman for goodness sakes. It's an extra $50 million, plus a $2 million trade kicker, plus the trade then triggers a full no trade clause. The White Sox don't have a $20 million guy on the payroll to offset it like Toronto did, and at the same position.

Do some really think the return for 2 months of Samardjiza is going to reshape the future of the franchise vs. taking the comp pick?

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:34 AM) Since the All Star break the Sox are 5-0 against bad teams (CLE & BOS) and 1-5 against good teams (KC & STL). 18 of the next 28 games are against good, playoff contending teams and to realistically have a shot at the playoffs, they would need to play ~.600 ball the rest of the season. I can't fathom why they are even contemplating being buyers at this point. Baltimore, Cubs, Toronto, Houston...they beat those teams as well. Explain.