Dick Allen

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:17 AM) You believe they would take it based on what? Potential.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:55 AM) Are you sure? Avi looks like he's not an OFer, are we banking on Hawkins? Are we going to go with a power deficit of Saladino-Sanchez-micah in the infield? Catcher for future? Doesn't seem like we have plugged much. Who is being blocked that the White Sox can't wait to trade? Instead of assuming they are going to trade every prospect away, why not wait until it actually happens? I do remember how dumb trading Reed away was. Turned out it was a genius trade.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:33 AM) He is actually half a win less valuable than Middlebrooks as of today. If you offered Avi for Middlebrooks, SD would take the trade. Hahn is the back up QB here. An assumed star based upon nothing.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) Dick, many people believe Sox needed to stay patient and rebuild their young talent. Hahn has done a good job of that. JR/KW have shown to be aggressive and pushed up that timeline. We thought Hahn did so without compromising long-term talent. Turned out to be worst of both worlds. But if you believe in being patient, then you will be against the KW model (right now). Not hard to grasp. And their talented guys are still here. Semien was expendable. I really liked Bassitt but he was expendable. Ravelo is a 1b/DH with little power. They really haven't given up the future for the present at all. I see many posts saying trading Q and his team friendly contract for a hitter is a must. What I don't understand is everything you want to believe the Sox have don't correctly, you say Hahn did a great job. Anything you disagree with, well that had to be that idiot KW. Reality doesn't work that way.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:18 AM) They may - honestly this looks like AA taking his last stand. and they gave up, what, one top 100 prospect for Tulo? Around here, people want to give up far more than that for players inferior to him. You mean twice+ what the Jays gave up? Good lord. The more money you are willing to pick up, the fewer prospects you will be required to give up.

The White Sox were ordered by JR to try to get competitive this season. That is documented when the article about the dinner came up. I am not a KW fan, but he actually did make many nice moves. Not every move he made was horrible. If you consider the White Sox a mess (which I don't) Rick Hahn has his fingerprints over it as well.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 08:58 AM) Nothing mind-boggling about it. As GM, Kenny Williams has a long history of poor value trades, poor evaluation of even veteran players, and a decade of poor drafts. But most of all, there was never a consistent plan. Overapy for a vet - then give him away.No consistency. And it was when the flows from the 1988-2000 drafts expired, he had no more prospects to trade for veterans, and the losing records began to accumulate. The 2013 winter looked nothing like what Kenny Williams had done in his tenure...thus credit or blame to Hahn, however you see it. 2014....back to the philosophies of Williams. Mindboggling. KW is horrible. JR is horrible. RH, zero baseball experience before being hired by the White Sox, is trained for his position by these guys who supposedly haven't a clue. Now, he is the guy with all the correct answers. Say it ain't so Rick. It is almost as if some will shed a tear if it ever is revealed Rick Hahn made a bad baseball decision.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 08:57 AM) I don't think people give Hahn a pass, but we had 13 years of watching Kenny operate largely independently, and 3 years now of Hahn...where we don't really know. So when we look at the moves, there are moves that feel like KW moves. And the worst flaw of KW was shortsightedness...and losing out on a potential dynamite arm (but we don't know) of Hoffman for 6 years in exchange for going for it when still under 500 at the end of July just seems like KW. On this board this winter when moves were made, one post I replied to said if there was ever a question who was in charge, that was put by the boards. Hahn was his own man. I actually pointed out trading prospects for a free agent to be seemed not unlike something that would be considered a KW move, but was quickly shot down. Hahn received a ton a praise all winter on here, and as soon as the team flopped, they flipped from Hahn acquisitions to KW acquisitions. If Rick Hahn has zero responsibility for any of the moves the past 3 seasons that have blown up in the White Sox face, then, if he had any pride, he would move along. That is simply not the case.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 08:44 AM) Honestly, not sure what Toronto is thinking. It's as if they want to give back some of their gains from the Donaldson move because they feel guilty. To me there is no in between with this. Tulo is either going to mash in that line up or it is going to be a total flop. In this offense starved season, at the very least, the Blue Jays will be fun to watch.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 08:44 AM) KW is no idiot. I'm not giving Hahn a pass. But this isn't totally on Hahn. He has to have KW watching over things. Kenny helped engineer a World Series for the first time in 88 years. That means something to me. I have some issues with him but don't hate the guy. I love that KW will take risks and go for it because at least we're not a team that's scared to go for it. I do hope though if he does it this week, it's right and by that I mean try and get Puig without destroying things. Or even CarGo. And KW has had to have JR watching over things. Every GM has someone watching over them. The fact is, this "going for it" this season was a JR decision. Total JR decision. So who says the KW "decisions" through the years were all his? JR is 78 or 79 years old. He isn't going for a 4 or 5 year rebuild.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 08:42 AM) I honestly like the dynamic. Rick works as sort of the angel on Kenny's shoulder I'll buy that. Disagreement is not always a bad thing. If KW,RH,and JR are the 3 headed decision making monster, hopefully they don't just take a majority vote. I would think things are discussed and when decisions are made, it is done with everyone on board. If not, then Hahn needs to leave. If he is nothing but a willing puppet as some seem to suggest, why would that be the type of individual anyone would want making important decisions regarding their team? Hahn has a lot of clout, and I am sure he has changed KW's opinion several times.

Reyes looked horrible against the White Sox. Tulo is owed big money. The trade makes his contract total no trade and he picks up $2 million for the move. Does anyone really think that is something the White Sox would have been interested in?

Hahn knew what he was getting into, and had plenty of opportunities to leave. It still is mind boggling every White Sox decision that is deemed wrong is KW, and so many think Hahn will always do the right thing. The fact is this particular "inside" informer is to be taken with a huge grain of salt. He never had a signing or trade correct this winter, and had plenty of wrong information. Just remember when blaming everything on KW, when Keppinger was released with 2 years left on his contract, Hahn said that signing was on him. I do know KW overruled Hahn in the Peavy trade when Hahn wanted Middlebrooks before Avi was added. Now, Avi has his warts, but you would have to think he is worth a bit more than Middlebrooks. People are basing KW knows nothing and Hahn knows everything on fantasy not reality.

The slimmimg effect of wearing black does not apply to Albers.

Nice job. Keep it rolling. Saladino needs to at least get him over.

Sanchez is playing some ball.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:57 PM) How many of those make 15 million none. Why should you care what he gets paid? The guy got injured, now you think his teammates who have sucked all year hate him. Get a grip.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:53 PM) Hopefully John Danks will stay out of the game so they can actually win. How many eams have a 5th starter that pitches well every game? 3 outings this month giving up nothing. Go to royalstalk.

Shuck has historically been decent vs LHP IIRC

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:47 PM) Whenever there's ANY pressure or expectation placed on this team and organization, they just crumble. 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012...this year after the All-Star Break, they had a huge opportunity to recapture their fans and re-engage their interest again. Now, they have this game handed to them on a platter and they quickly blow a 4-0 lead. OK. See 2005. Hopefully the Sox can regain the lead so you will stay out of the gamethread.

Flowers hit it hard.

This looks familiar.

Please don't be DL hurt

Only a double for Melky. The offense is slipping.

Don't stop now boys.