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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 04:33 PM) I could be completely wrong but I think there's a reason why National Writers haven't linked the Dodgers and Red Sox to Sale trade talks. Those are the 2 teams with the most interest. All of the rest of these are leaks for whatever reason. I have no doubt Atlanta wants Chris Sale. They don't have the pieces though. I bet it's the Dodgers unless DD ponies up. I don't disagree with your theory, but it just seems like leaks would be unnecessary on this. Just for the same reason as you mentioned...I am sure every team in the MLB wants Chris Sale...but only a few teams have the currency to get him, and those that do are well-aware of that. Leaked interest shouldn't really phase them.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) What I fear is unrealistic expectations and panic if trades aren't made. Reading these various threads makes you shake your head in wonder. Every Sox player is traded Do you watch other teams play baseball, Rockin? With all due respect, this roster is not winning.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 12:53 PM) Buddy Bell isn't involved in acquisitions and evals he's in charge of overseeing the development of players in the minor leagues. The people involved in this process are: 1.) KW/Hahn - negotiations, deal framework, risk diversification, money, etc. This has been mostly Hahn since even before he took over as GM. That doesn't mean he isn't acting under the direction of his boss though. Hopefully were past that. 2.) Jeremy Haber/Dan Fabian - Haber weighs in on evals and makes player recs. Fabian is the head of all analytics adding support or guidance where needed. 3.) Professional scouts - The guys who were scouting any player the Sox may potentially acquire back in July-September. They also scout the prospects in the AFL. 4.) Amateur scouts - They weigh in on guys who were recent draft picks. So for instance, the Southeastern amateur college scouts would give their notes on Benintendi and they would be vetted against the scouts in the Eastern League or more likely, the Carolina League who watched Benintendi this year. Plus you have a lot of scouts who are either higher in rank or assigned to cold or less fruitful areas who watch players like, say Cody Bellinger, in his high school showcases or National exposure games. 5.) Marco Paddy - If the Sox are trading with the Dodgers and Yadier Alvarez was in play, they'd call Marco Paddy who told me he specifically saw Alvarez when he was still in Cuba. 6.) Dan Stritmatter (sp?) - He handles video coordination and works hand-in-hand with Fabian. If they wanted to find tape of a lesser known guy who's rounding out a package this is where they turn. The Sox FO's has been inadequate in plenty of different ways over the years. Even so, as much as the lazy narratives around here would lead you to think it's just Kenny Williams, Rick Hahn and in your case, Buddy Bell, just sitting in an office bulls***ting up a package that's simply not the case. They have been working and preparing for a trade with at least the Red Sox and Dodgers for almost a half year. Given what I was told around the deadline that never came into fruition, they've probably been set and prepared to sell just didn't get the okay from management until this offseason. Great stuff there, Brian.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:04 PM) I'd be stoked on that package. Move Quintana to Boston then for Benitendi, Kopech, and Groome. How sick would our future look with Urias, Groome, Kopech, Alvarez, Benitendi, Berlinger, Verdugo, Lux, and whatever else we get from eventually flipping Puig. Then move on and trade Robertson, Melky, Jones, Abreu, and even Easton if you can get a haul. It would literally be an unprecedented rebuild. The key really is to move those other 5 guys too for decent pieces, particularly Jones and Eaton. Otherwise, you're just the Dodgers farm system, with 3 Red Sox prospects. We really need to get about 15-18 quality prospects out of this.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) Always a bad idea to turn down a guaranteed $34 million. His life is not going to change materially if he's lucky enough to make an extra couple million a season. With how bad he looked earlier in the season compared to previous years and the increase in injury risk with age that is a bit of a surprise. He probably figures he's already made enough to where his life won't change materially if he doesn't live up to the guaranteed portion of the initial contract.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 02:30 PM) Weird that he posts his own news links on this site. He should spend more time in the batting cages. Haha...one would think! I actually would prefer to hold on to him...Jose is the kind of guy I'd want around young players. Unless the return was significant, he wouldn't be high on my list of guys to move.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) Hmmm. Not really any disparaging comments towards the Sox, but interesting nonetheless. The implications are pretty clear there.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:44 AM) At 82k, I think I would have regretted it when I drove off the lot. Did you add to your stable of Jeeps or did you replace the old one?

I read this New Yorker article about Trump and his "movement" over the weekend. I think it may have been commented on here before. It gives quite a bit of insight into just how ridiculous the whole show is.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:15 AM) I really really liked it, but for about 25k more money and actually fewer features, it just didnt make sense. The X5 is overdue for an overhaul. The technology is pretty stale at this point. You would have regretted it in a year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:05 AM) Starting to wonder if we are going to rebuild or just cut costs. The only thing I can think of is they are concerned their leverage will disappear if they make the rebuilding moves first.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 07:42 PM) I'll be honest, I'm not sure why the Sox are even wasting their time on a Robertson trade right now. Not only are there too many quality closers available in free agency for him to have a market, but the Sox should be focused on moving their big chips and see if teams are going to pay up. It would be incredibly stupid to move Robertson but hold on to Sale, Quintana, Abreu, Eaton, & Jones. If there isn't a strong market for our elite trade chips, then we should at least make some attempt at competing. I have a bad feeling we're going to get caught in the middle again and only deal Frazier, Melky, & Robertson. Any other front office and I wouldn't be worried, but KW & Hahn have little experience selling. I really hope I'm wrong here. Yeah, I was a bit perturbed by this as well...

Can we please change the title? It seems a bit misleading...initially I thought maybe there was some loophole or something preventing them from moving him.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) What a terrible effort after a bye week. Fox and Cutler need showed the door after 2016. Agree with the first part, not with the second. The great thing is it results in another loss which gets us a top 5 pick (perhaps top 3?) and yet we continue to see some good development out of Howard, Floyd, Whitehair and a few others.

For f***'s sake.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 09:43 AM) If all 3 teams had one loss, Ohio State would win the tiebreaker. NOW it would be a two team tie, and Penn State beat OSU so they would go to the title game. Ahh...I see...thanks for the clarification!

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 07:55 AM) If osu wins out the likelihood of making the playoff is very high with the quality wins and the good loss. Chaos for sure. I don't quite get it though...the Michigan loss doesn't impact OSU's chances of making the conference title game over PSU though, does it?

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 12, 2016 -> 07:08 AM) Remember the Gore/Tipper kiss? Looked like Al's first kiss and he watched Dumb & Dumber for pointers. I was going to say Cuban is a good idea since he's central and smart enough to realize big govt is rarely good. So he'd have a better chance of winning the white vote and the educated vote. But then I look at Obama, Hillary, Kerry, Gore, Clinton. The only two that won are the guys whose platforms were "I'm a cool guy and I play the sax/shoot hoops." MAYBE the key to a democrat victory is never going to be policy again (because it's usually pretty stupid in general), but energizing all the minorities and young people. So the real tenets moving forward for the DNC will be coolness in some way and make sure to spout out the phrases "climate change", "free tuition" & "diversity". Landslide. I think it was more like "I can be incredibly inspiring to normal folks" when I want to. Hillary and Gore could just never do that.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 12, 2016 -> 05:24 AM) Went to the dealership to buy an X5, walked out with another Jeep. That's probably a wise decision. You do not want to buy the current X5.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) While I agree it's a bad look to quit those types of jobs based on who the President is about to be, this is nowhere in the same zip code as treason. Treason is what they are likely trying to avoid by quitting in the first place. This comment coming from a party who basically refused to do ANYTHING for the current President for the last 8 years. They remained in their jobs and actively did everything in their power to obstruct everything Obama tried to do...but the current democrats wanting to quit their jobs are the treasonous ones. Got it.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) Trump and Pence would literally have to commit treason or murder before December for the electors to flip. You act as though those are long odds or something...

We have goals!

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 08:37 AM) Trump literally questioned the same process, the same election results and called for protest when Obama was elected. Its not entirely crazy that the same would happen to him. I think the point is that democrats all held Trump to task, when they were sure they were going to win, about his hesitancy to promise he would accept the results of the election...now they lose, and they are crying about the results of the election. It's not good optics for them.

Yeah, but the Braves are looking for a very particular thing, and they know it, which is why they are striking early like this. They only want 1-year contracts and they have absolutely no chance of winning. That isn't an easy sell to many. So we need to see this for what it is - an overpay due to their relative situation.

QUOTE (Tony @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 06:47 AM) Yeah, that's exactly what a rebuilding team should be interested in. Relievers. In terms of Frazier, unless someone is willing to overpay, I'd be alright with an extension. If they go full rebuild, every position can't be a 23 year old. It doesn't work that way. Over his career Frazier has always been known to be a leader, solid in the clubhouse and can be used effectively in marketing materials (I know that isn't that important, but it does play a minor role). Given Frazier value on the market, how much an extension would cost, a 3 year deal would be fine, if he was open to sticking around during a rebuild. You laugh, but honestly, relievers have been spun for incredible value at the deadline recently, as you are well aware. It wouldn't be dumb to accept relievers back if for whatever reason, that was what was being offered, only to then flip them at the deadline.