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http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...sp&c_id=cws Basically says we're gonna offer arb. to Cabrera, but not to Uribe of Griffey. As long as we offer it to Cabrera, I'm happy.

That doesn't qualify as a rumor, but rather speculation.

I hope he was never on the list for 5th starter to begin with.

If we trade Dye, move Quentin to RF, and decide to bring back Griffey for one year, Griffey better play only LF vs. righties.

could a player refuse getting traded to Japan?

we should put Whisler back at 1B. I don't even know why we had him pitch in the first place. I was just looking at his college stats, and he was a much better hitter than pitcher.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 28, 2008 -> 03:45 PM) That's a great idea. Throw in Lance Broadway and Kyle McCulloch too. I still like Broadway as a backup option if we ever get ravaged with injuries to our rotation. Keep in AAA, and go from there. On the other hand however, we could throw McCulloch in as well.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 28, 2008 -> 02:55 PM) Same here. They can have any of our relievers except Jenks, Thornton, Dotel, Richard, and Linebrink. Or maybe Link if the Sox really do think that highly of him. But anyone else, go for it. Logan, Wassermann, and Russell all have a shot at being above average relievers, and if they want Heilman, I don't know why they wouldn't rather take a couple of our guys instead. Heilman isn't all that good. Oh yeah, hopefully Jerry Owens would be part of the deal as well.

I'd gladly do a Boone Logan for Willy T trade.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 27, 2008 -> 11:08 PM) Very interesting thread here. http://www.talkingchop.com/2008/11/24/6693...azquez#comments Again, I would love Kelly Johnson starting at 2nd for the Sox. I don't see anything special in Kelly Johnson. I think Chris Getz can be just as good, if not better.

reading a reds board, they seem to really want Dye. The best trade idea I saw was Bailey and Dickerson for Dye. I like Dickerson, but I'd like him a whole lot more if he didn't K so much. As for Bailey, I'm still not excited about him. His number in the minors were never even all that impressive, IMO. If they threw in one more decent player/prospect, I'd be all for such a trade.

In all seriousness though, I wouldn't mind getting Mike Gonzalez. I remember when he was with the Pirates he had a very live arm, but he got injured after he was traded to the Braves. If he's healthy and is showing some of that pop he did with the Pirates, I wouldn't mind getting him as part of a package.

Yunel Escobar, and it's a deal!

It depends on their body...

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 26, 2008 -> 03:02 PM) I'm with you there 100%. Of all the young pitchers who broke out last year, Sonnanstine would be the most likely in my mind to regress, and regress severely. If I'm in the Rays FO and someone wants to deal better talent for him, I'd do that in a heartbeat and keep Edwin Jackson. I read on another board where someone was trying to put forth the argument that Sonnanstine is better than Jackson, basically saying that Jackson was "lucky" because of his poor BB rate and that Jackson benefitted from superb Rays defense. Sonnanstine OTOH wasn't a recipient of luck because he had control. I would easily counter that saying both pitchers benefitted from the Rays superb defense, and that if anyone was "lucky" it was Sonnanstine. Jackson posted the numbers he did because his walk rate actually held him back. Jackson got by on great stuff and bad control, nothing more than that. He's still developing, and if anyone is lucky in regards to Jackson, it is the rest of the league that is lucky Jackson hasn't figured it out yet. If Jackson does, he's a top of the rotation guy. Meanwhile Sonnanstine was lucky to face overaggressive hitters who couldn't sit back and look to go up the middle or the other way against him. Sonnanstine was lucky that his smoke-and-mirrors junk pitching fooled Major League hitters in his first season because he had no problems dropping below the hitting speed. As soon as the league adjusts to his garbage, he's a 5.50 ERA waiting to happen, even pitching in a dome with great defense behind him. Imagine if you could fuse Sonnanstine and Jackson into one pitcher. Damn, talk about an ACE. Someone with the pure overpowering stuff of Jackson to go along with the finesse and control of Sonnanstine would be one damn good pitcher.

I still think Tampa jumps in and makes a significant offer for Dye. Dye is a perfect fit for that team, and would be a great asset for them.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 26, 2008 -> 11:27 AM) 2008 AS 13-9 4.38 ERA 1.29 WHIP .277 BAA 2 post season wins 400,000k salary JV 12-16 4.67 ERA 1.32 WHIP .263 BAA 0 post season wins 11,500,000 salary. If, as you say, Javy's downside is a #3 or #4 starter, this guy is already better than that and he makes peanuts. Javy has only had 1 year the last 5 with an ERA lower than AS posted in 2008. Could you imagine what Javy's ERA was if he had to face Boston and NY as much as Tampa pitchers do? That's fine and dandy, but simple fact is the Sonnanstine does not have good stuff, at all, and I will bet anyone that he will have a worse season then Javy next year. Sonnanstine simply had a good year, but I'd be shocked if he ever repeats his 08 preformance. Maybe his first year in the NL, but that's all.

that blog almost seems like a joke

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 25, 2008 -> 10:32 PM) I see that his performance-to-cost ratio is very favorable, but I just don't know how anyone can deal real talent for him. With someone like Javy, yeah he makes a lot more money, but you still have the upside of a #2-like season with the downside of a #3/#4-type season. Sonnanstine just strikes me as the type of guy who is always on the edge of disaster, every single game, every single situation. At least Javy has the ability to take over a game and dominate. I just don't know how any team can watch Andy Sonnanstine pitch and say, "You know what? I'm gonna go ahead and trade one of my best pitching prospects, a guy with twice the ceiling, for a junkballer who can spot his junk. That sounds like a great idea." Paul Byrd is capable of doing the same thing and doesn't cost any top talent, just tha cheddah. I don't even know if Byrd is a Type B free agent. I completely agree. And what was worse was seeing him completely shut down our offense when we faced him.

I'll take Javy as my 4 or 5 any day of the week. He'll give us 200+ innings, .500 record, 4~ ERA, and for some stretches he'll be our best pitcher. Of course he can't be relied on for the biggest games of the year down the stretch, but he certainly can be a factor that makes those games possible. People have gotta stop overreacting about how "bad" Javy actually is.

I'd offer it to both. There's no way Cabrera's gonna come back to us and he is still desirable to many teams lacking a SS. As for Uribe, offering him arb. really won't shy away any possible suitors for him as he is only type B. Worst case scenario is that he accepts and we keep him on as a backup at SS or trade him if there are any takers.

Homer Bailey would have to be a throw in for a trade for Dye. His velocity is way down and doesn't seem like he has much of a future right now.

lol, that title was hilarious...

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QUOTE (Shadows @ Nov 24, 2008 -> 09:48 PM) I would retype it but uptights who changed it would flip a s*** It was a good one tho wanna pm it to me?