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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 09:16 PM) If you ask me, Hill hasn't been that much better than Kinsler offensively this season (the 2% difference in OPS+ tell you that). It's the defense that splits them apart this season in terms of overall value and contribution. I really don't care what each players OPS+ is. The fact is that odds are greater that Hill will get a hit instead of Kinsler, and Hill has a slight advantage in most categories. That's all I need to know, and it's pretty clear to me. Defensive aside, who should be starting the all-star game at 2B for the AL if it was between Hill or Kinsler? Liks I already said, it's clear to me that Hill has earned it over Kinsler this season.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 05:22 PM) Rockies considering trading Garrett Atkins for David Weathers and Carlos Gonzalez for Freddy Sanchez. I guess in comparison, the Allen/Pena deal isn't so bad if the Rockies made those moves. They'd be selling low on Atkins, but they gotta get rid of him to get his sucky-ness out of the lineup and allow Stewart (big fan of his) to become the clear cut 3B. I don't see what use the Reds would have for him unless they feel they should shut down Encarcion for the rest of the season to play it safe. Maybe they figure if he does decent they could get more value from some team in the offseason. Atkins really should have been traded in the offseason when he had some value. He is the classic example of a mediocre player becoming good because he played half of his games in Coors. Look at his splits from 07 and 08, and even a bit this year, his OPS drops around 200 or more points away from Colorado. In 06, his splits were great on the road at home mainly because it was his first time around the league, IMO. He does play solid D though, IIRC, and does hit lefties well. His best role in the future will likely be a platoon player at 3B/1B. Plus, considering the Rockies really need a setup guy who doesn't blow, Weathers makes some sense. If I'm colorado, I make the trade. It gives you a better chance at competing for the Wild Card. As for the Carlos Gonzalez - Freddy Sanchez trade, if the Pirates pick up some of the money for his vesting option, I do that trade in a heartbeat if I'm colorado. Even if they don't pick up any of his contract, I still think I do it. Carlos Gonzalez is still riding on that hype he had back in Arizona, and the fact he could be traded for the 3rd time in 3 years tells you something. He's like a glorified Ryan Sweeney right now, IMO. I don't see why the Pirates would want another "potential filled OF" who hasn't shown he can hit for power, but they've done a lot of stupid things this year, IMO. I guess their plan is throw s*** at the wall and see what sticks. Freddy Sanchez, while I think is a bit overrated, would thrive in Coors, and really make them a better contender. They could use him at 2B and make Barmes (who is doing solid this year) the utility guy. Both of these trades would be good, IMO, for the Rockies if they want to be serious Wild Card contenders.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 08:04 PM) That's Cubs fan talk.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 08:51 PM) If anything, his defense is the determining factor. When the offense kind of evens out between the two, Hill is definitely the better player on defense. But usually, Kinsler's a far superior offensive player. Have you missed the time I already stated I'd take Kinsler long term? But this argument was started about who was the best 2B in the AL this season, and so far, it's Hill.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 08:46 PM) It's a weak argument but Hill also has around 40 more AB's...Hill's having a career year yeah. But, give me Kinsler any day of the week. Have you ever looked at Hill's stats? The guy has done nothing but hit since coming up to the majors. Last year got derailed for him with injuries, but look at his 2007 season when he was 25. He hit .291 with 17 HR, 78 RBI, 47 Doubles, and an OPS slightly below .800, not bad for a 25 year old. I won't argue that his homerun numbers are probably a result of just a career year, but there's no reason not to think he won't continue on being a .290+ hitter, with a ~.800 OPS, with around 20 homers and 80+ rbi a year. Plus, he doesn't have the luxury to play in the bandbox that Kinsler plays half of his games in. I don't disagree with you about taking Kinsler over Hill long term, but Hill is a very good player in his own right, and this year, he's more deserving for the all star game.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 08:48 PM) So just having a better BA makes a better year? Missed that memo. All of his stats are slightly better, but considering the quite large lead he has regarding BA, it makes it pretty simple. He also has a better OPS. But considering his OPS was only 9 points higher, I thought the fact his BA was 40 points higher would be the better determining factor.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 08:34 PM) You say that as if Aaron Hill is having that much better of a year than Kinsler. Um, he is. All their stats are pretty similar, but the nod goes to Hill because of the BA 40+ points better than Kinsler's. Plus, Kinsler plays half of his games in the bandbox called the ball park in Arlington. Hill plays half of his in the joke of a baseball field called Rogers Centre which isn't the greatest hitters park (I call it a joke because playing baseball on anything besides grass is a joke). Long term, I'd take Kinsler as I think he's the better player with more upside, but this year, at least for the 1st half, the nod goes to Hill.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 08:26 PM) We lucked into it. I give them no credit for that whatsoever. I know, but if they didn't completely suck at drafting and bringing in players, we would have probably never been bad enough to even have a slight chance of getting the no. 1 pick.

Got a smile out of me.

The only consolation for this front office being so bad (at least IMO) is that because of the suckage, we got Derrick Rose.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 06:36 PM) So the 2B having the best year in the AL gets left at home... Hooray for all-star voting. If you mean Aaron Hill, he'll be at the game. If you mean Ian Kinsler, he wasn't having the best year, but should be in the game over Pedroia. Kinsler has fizzled since his red hot start.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 9, 2009 -> 08:01 PM) As I am speaking to someone who makes continual absolutist statements, you should fully understand where I am going with this. I've never been more sure of anything on Soxtalk than I am of this: The Sox will not trade for Halladay unless Toronto either pays his salary or they take back salary in return. In other words, a trade between the White Sox and Toronto involving Roy Halladay between now and the end of the 2009 regular season is not happening. I don't care what you say, I'm still holding out hope!!!!!

Lucy heating up. Got his average up to .218!

Nick Swisher is a terrible baseball player. I'm so tired of the OBP and OPS argument... Guess what, bottom of the 9th, runner on 2nd, 2 outs, down by 1. You don't need a walk or strikeout. You need a basehit. Plus, Swisher was a baby in the clubhouse who cried about being benched after he sucked for so long. Plus, he was streaky as f***. And he had a god awful approach the plate. Anytime a hitter goes up to bat looking for a walk all the time, that's just bad baseball. And he sucks in CF. I think batting average has easily become the most underrated stat in baseball. All people care about are OBP and OPS, and those stats are fine and all, but no matter how you put it, a career .240 hitter who strikeouts 130+ times a season better hit 30+ homers and drive in 100+ runs every year, and Swisher just doesn't do that.

Sign me up for Roy Halladay.

Ahhh... more reason to like Dan Hudson. He said this on facebook:

League average defensively in CF??? You sure about that?

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 06:56 PM) Being as I have no life, I watched the whole thing. Really do feel bad for his kids. I feel bad that his kids had to be raised by Michael Jackson.

Coop works some magic, but not even he can fix a pitchers elbow so that they can throw the ball with good velocity again.

1.) He had sleep overs with little kids as a grown f***ing man. That in itself is very wrong. 2.) Because he didn't molest every single kid he had sleep over means he didn't do it? Maybe he wasn't a serial molester, but that doesn't mean he didn't choose his favorite out of the group. 3.) This guy was insane. Great music, fine, but Michael Jackson the person is not someone to look up to. He was a drug addicted nutjob. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but he was.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 10:26 AM) OK, I was reading about Paulie's 3 dingers on the Sox site and I saw this in the comments after the story ... FWIW, from someone named _Dylan_: If it is true, I would say the 2 major leaguers are obviously Poreda and Richard. As for the minor leaguers, I'll say Flowers, Carter, and Shelby.

I think someone else said it best: Either this is a smokescreen by Kenny, or he's just covering his ass early for not making any big moves to improve this team.

Throw in Luke Scott, and they got a deal!

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 09:08 AM) Rev. Al Sharpton to Michael Jackson's kid - "Wasn't nothing strange about your daddy. It was strange what your daddy had to deal with." Really? Nothing strange about him? Sleeping in beds with boys? Pay $15 million to "hush up" a molestation accuser... not to mention all the other ones that probably happened under the table? Had a blow up doll of a cub scout in his room? There's nothing strange about him? Don't forget about the fact he was black, but then turned ghostly white. Also, don't forget that his face collapsed a couple of times and that his nose was falling off. Oh yeah, don't forget that his home was an amusement park! Plus, he dangled his kid from a balcony, and he always had his kids wear masks. But Shparton is right, he was absolutely normal.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 09:06 PM) To those of you who claim that Michael Jackson molested all these children & was a child predator, when was he convicted & when was it even proven that he did all of these things? Oh, wait... Yeah, he shouldn't of had sleepovers with children. But have your childhood basically taken away from you & let's see how you'll turn out. puh-lease? I'm suppossed to feel sorry for the guy because he made a lot of money and didn't have a real childhood? I'm sorry, but a lot of people go through s***ty or basically no childhood at all. It ain't nobody's fault but his that he wasn't able to deal with it/get help. Oh yeah, I'm sure Michael Jackson didn't kill those people either.