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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 10:55 AM) Is Gload your #2 favorite White Sox of all time? I see I can't win this argument, but there is no reasoning for BA to be #2 on Heads' list other than he's a goofy bastard and picked him to be different. What is your favorite food of all time? Now let's pick apart the food nutritional stats, why you picked it. Who is your favorite girlfriend? Post a picture, tell us why. See if everyone agrees.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 10:42 AM) I don't understand why you and others are confused about this. Of the 100+ years of White Sox baseball a very lousy player who has zero accomplishments, no on screen persona, isn't a renowned donor to charity, or has any other likeable qualities has made a list of all time fan favorites. How could you not expect people to scratch their head on this one? I haven't heard a single good reason as to why he's cracked the top 500 list let alone the top 50. So the player has to have accomplishments to be your favorite? Why is college grad not a good reason? I also spent some time on Arizona's campus, they were a customer of mine, and saw him play in college. Is that a good reason in your book?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 10:28 AM) Then I guess I'm confused as to why BA is on your list. Graduating college seems like an odd reason for someone to be one of your all time favorite Sox players. But whatever. I see baseball players as role models. I work woth youth and the more examples of guys staying in school and getting educations, the better. There are some other reasons as well. What single criteria fits for all of your choices?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 10:25 AM) Does everyone on your list fit that criteria? No. There probably isn't one thing that fits everyone on my list besides playing for the White Sox.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 10:17 AM) By asking them why it's their favorite. OK. I like Brian because he graduated from college instead of going straight to the major leagues.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 10:03 AM) True. A civil debate shouldn't be discouraged though. It adds to the desire of going through lists like this. It's like debating if sushi tastes good or if Kerouac is the greatest American writer. How can you debate someones favorite?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 09:47 AM) But that's just it, there's no reasoning behind it. For BA to be #2 on any list of favorite players (and I know favorite), just show's lack of judgement. With no back story, which there is none, BA could not have proven in his very sporadic playing time enough to be #2 on anyone's list. It just shows a complete lack of fandom. What are valid reasons? Is liking the charities he supports a valid reason? Is liking him because he's from your hometown, high school, college a valid reason? Is liking him because he did something cool off the field a valid reason? The Wolves had a player Reardon (sp?) who came over and flipped a puck to my 6 year old son before a game. He smiled and acknowledged all the kids at the game. I could care less about his playing time or ability, I like the man and he was a favorite of mine. So why does Brian have to prove anything as a player to be a favorite?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 08:42 AM) Energy, maybe (depends on where each car is most efficient -- some cars will get slightly higher MPH at a little higher speed due to gearing). Lives, no. Artificially low speed limits cause greater speed differentials on the highway since some people will drive at or near the limit and others will still go 10-15 MPH over. That creates a much more dangerous situation than everyone just cruising along at 70 MPH or so. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2008-06/american-autobahn We could lower them all the way to 40 MPH because some people say it "saves energy, saves lives." But its still an arbitrary limit and a nice, fat revenue stream for the police. I'm not talking about a rural highway. I'm talking about streets in the suburbs which are full of shops/ homes and see thousands of cars a day. They have the same speed limit as 3-lane, divided-by-concrete-barriers Interstates around Chicago. Changing laws because some people ignore them is an interesting concept. Are you suggesting that as soon as you raise limits people will stop speeding? I'd love to see some data on that. I think you raise the limit to 70 and some people will drive 75 or 80. Sounds like some of the those suburban roads have too high a speed limit. It's a nice fat revenue stream because people break the law. They chose to make that payment. How is a higher limit not arbitrary?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 06:59 AM) "I cannot recall..." Yup, I can see this coming a mile away. I think we still have to hold them responsible, but are we holding them responsible for poor hiring and poorly instructing the campaign on what funds to accept and under what conditions, or are we holding them responsible for what they had direct knowledge of? Plus, I'm just fascinated regarding the money aspect of campaigns and the daunting task of putting together an organization in all 50 states.

How big of a donation before the candidate himself knows about it? I can't believe either candidate knows about every $5,000 donation that flows in. I wonder what the threshold is.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin.

Tough to argue against lower limits. Saves energy, saves lives. Not saying people will not try to argue, just saving that's a pretty solid argument on the other side. And the density of traffic and population is a big factor in determining speed limits. A two lane rural highway with four cars and three houses per mile is much different then a Chicago highway with thousands of residents and hundreds of cars per mile.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 7, 2008 -> 11:36 PM) First time I've been in the 'Buster in months, but when I saw 'YASNY' in the thread title .... well, you know. Welcome Back

The goal is to stop him from hurting anyone else. They accomplished that goal. By any sort of direct man to man confrontation, you increase the likelihood that someone else would be hurt. If there was someone trapped in the bus with him, then by all means grab some weapons and get going. Defiling the body? If it's me being defiled, please do not risk your life to save my corpse. Just be a great witness at the prosecution and make sure the guy never is paroled.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 07:32 AM) I'm of the opinion that young kids shouldn't be throwing curveballs (or sliders). High school and Babe Ruth maybe, but at Little League age, no. It's not that it's babying the kid, it's that the strain of a curveball on a still-developing shoulder is one of the worst things you can do to it and it's easy to wreck it early. If my son wants to play baseball and learn how to throw a curveball, I'll show him, but I won't let him throw any in games. Mechanics are the hardest and most important part to get down, the rest isn't that hard. I agree. When they can hold a baseball in their fingers and "flick" it a foot or so into the air, without moving their arm or elbow, they are probably ready. And that isn't so much to help them be durable mlb pitchers, but to protect them for other sports and life down the road. Joint pain sucks no matter what you do for a living.

It is apparent that to become a fan favorite you do not necessarily need to be an everyday player. What I think comes into play is a connection. You cannot expect to be Jim Thome or Mark Buerhle, but somehow we can believe we could be Pablo Ozuna. (just sayin, he wasn't on my list)

TLAK, was that over or on? I believe that list was on the roof.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 02:15 AM) BTW our LL manager also wouldn't let us swim. If he saw your eyes were red you were benched. Interesting what Ryan said about guys not throwing enough. I just can't help but think my friend with the powerful arm didn't do it any good busting curves from the age of 10 through 12 on almost a daily basis during the summer months, also in LL games, in Babe Ruth games, then at Bro Rice til he needed surgery. I think that throwing curves is the difference. Without the hand and wrist strength poor mechanics take over.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 06:42 PM) Frankly, I'd love to find out. I really hope the press takes a close look at all these bundlers now that it's starting to be an issue. It's bothered me for years how rich people conveniently seemed to get all their friends to contribute as well. I know one down here and basically he raises money through all his suppliers. He raised millions for the Clintons. Not much different, but on a grander scale, what Rex just did for the Aids ride or what I do for my Scout camp. Anyone who is fund raising contacts family and friends first. Not every volunteer is an eager college student working a phone bank or canvasing door to door. Some eager volunteers are people who get off on the access that comes with being a big source of cash.

Easily playing caused me to catch the fire. Having an outstanding manager when I played on a travellling team who taught us respect for the game and to play like pros also contributed.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 11:41 AM) NFL games and Cubs/Sox games are the only places I've really seen fans be treated unfairly for simply rooting for the other team. Blackhawk fans becoming civilized? Sad that the NFL has such a crummy product that only drunken brawlers will come to games or the only way to enjoy a NFL game is to get intoxicated.

Why do you think I postd it back here? I knows my audience.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 7, 2008 -> 04:10 PM) A combination of recent performance and age/health evaluations. By past accomplishments, if you're talking about simply the fact that he was a pro-bowl QB last year, that's fine. If by past accomplishments you mean the MVP's he won so many years ago, the Super Bowls in the late 90's, the records he's set, I really don't care if I'm in the GM chair. The way I look at it...I just picked up a draft pick for a QB who was pro-bowl last year but struggled the couple years before that, who's 39 years old, and who has a big cap number. Altogether I think that's a reasonable move, and it's only because of the Brett Favre mystique that we're having this discussion. If he'd come in to the league at age 35 and put up that good of a season last year, you'd still be totally open to moving him for a 2nd rounder because damnit he's 39. When you say "Favre name" and "Favre mystique" it sounds like there are no skills to back it up. Clearly is one of the greatest QBs of our generation. There are plenty of skills still there to keep him a legitimate starting QB in the NFL this season. Just based on last season and his history of injuries, or should I say, non history. And you dismiss simply a Pro-Bowl QB last season as meaningless. Would you rather have a Pro-Bowl starter or someone that didn't make the Pro-Bowl? I think the further back you go, the less relevant experience and accomplishments become. But If I'm trying to win a Championship this year in Green Bay, and let's say for discussion in week two he lost the starting job, I'd love to have him on the sidelines as my backup. But I guess Green Bay is deep enough with proven NFL QBs to toss aside last year's pro bowl QB and still expect to win this season.

I really hope he'd still be on this list 15 years from now. I will mean he has had an excellent career.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 7, 2008 -> 01:52 PM) Heh. I admit it - I didn't see the legs at first. That's not its penis . . .