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Wille represents the best speed off the bench. He might make it for that reason. The way they are using Burke tells me they are looking at him as both a 3rd C & corner IF. I think he makes it as well. Sure bets: Timo, Gload, Ozuna 4 men 3 spots: Davis, Harris, Burke, Ozuna If Davis is not traded then Harris (speed) vs Burke (contact) Tough call. I'd go with the contact hitter.

So beautiful it made me NPERA rankings wise he's a step below Hudson, Mulder, or Zito but they didn't pitch at the Cell. When you look at Mark's road #'s I'd put him real close to the big 4. When I see Mark pitch I think of a LH Greg Maddux. If he had started his career with the Braves I'm sure he'd be close to Greg in wins for the GS. Mark might not make the HOF on career victories but he could still do it on the strength of post season performances, Cy Young awards, & honorable mentions for the Cy Young awards. My two favorite pitchers in MLB are Randy Johnson & Mark Buehrle.

Why does everything have to be debated to death around here like it was a federal case or something? It sounds to me that Carlos Lee was just having fun & just being humorous. Can't a guy be jovial any more? Carlos busted his ass for this team every year he played for it. He had incredible hitting streaks last year that kept the team afloat. I have nothing but praise for Carlos. Referring him to Maggs is insane. Maggs trashed our team, & our GM. He questioned the credibility of the organization we love. He's a lying lecherous traitor. Lee didn't ask to be traded & didn't want to be traded. But he realized the needs the White Sox had to fill were greater than their need to keep Lee. He's been nothing less than professional with the move. Lastly, he's going to help us in BIG ways! His games against the Flubs & his games against the Twins. Every time Lee does something to help beat the Flubs this year his past-time with the White Sox will be mentioned.

What about Creotine? Does it greatly impact a player's performance & threaten the integrity of the game? As I understand it this hearing was about not just eliminating roids from the game because of the health consequences but also because of it's threat to the integrity of the game. Doesn't Creotine fit the later?

Is there a link? I'd like to know their reasons.

Charles Johnson >>>> Ben Davis. Why would they want Davis when they can afford CJ?

I agree with you there. If you were to do it you would have to keep minors away from it. That would mean having an age question at the time of signup & only allowing those over the age of 17 access. The code needed to implement it would mean more work for a questionable gain. I wholeheartedly respect your decision not to do it. I remember debating this issue over the use of humorous or sarcastic terms relating to group affiliations. I forgot that SOX fans come in all ages & that SOXTALK would like to retain an image of being a family friendly & fan frienly site. I withdraw my support for the usage of those terms. I would like to believe my own kids someday could become members of this site. In support of that I would hope SOXTALK would uphold the highest of standards.

Did I miss something? Did you find a date? If you're just going to prom to say you went then don't bother spending the bucks to make it fancy. But if you are looking to make it a special night between the two of you then you should really be asking her about it. Don't make it obvious! Hint around the choices. Back in my day it was the carriage ride that was the de-facto standard for proms. I'd lean towards the trolley because the other options are definitely doing more damage to the environment.

Again if you are comparing Sox vs Cubs absolutely I think the Sox will accomplish more. If you are comparing Sox vs Twins well I am hoping for the best but have my expectations in check.

Short version: Science is dedicated to explaining the mysteries of the Universe. Religion & Philosophy are dedicated to explaining the meaning behind those mysteries. You need both. This in essence is the core theme of the Matrix Trilogy. Purpose represents meaning.

The key I feel in the relationship between science & religion is that religion must conform to science in the here & now and yet etain it's allegiance to faith in the past & future. That serves both the development of science & religion. Science is the process by which we work to unlock the mysteries of the Universe. But religion & philosophy form the basis for defining the meaning behind those mysteries. The relationship between the two is profound in human history. I think one of the best books for all students to read is Newton's Philosophy of Nature. It explains in detail how Newton's faith drove his work. What religion & philsophy offer science are the general principles that nothing is impossible & that the Universe is connected. That can be a strong driving force towards scientific development. Let me give an example: Before Einstein it was a complete mystery to religious scientists how God created our Universe in 6 days & all that was in. This came into serious conflict with evolution & the time it took to cook things. But then Einstein gave us the theory of relativity & space time coordinates. That reconciled for many of us the book of Genesis with evolution & scientific fact. Now there are those who choose to continue to treat the Bible as a book written relative to our species on our planet in our time. But philosophically that makes no sense with respect to a creator of the Universe. Genesis clearly refers to that which exists that is not relative to our species, our planet, our time when it refers to stars & the heavens above. The most important aspect of Genesis is the order of creation. It coincides with the evolution of our Universe, & our planet. That is profound when you consider the time it was written & the people it was written for. I think this is the fundamental flaw of creationists. That don't use science as a tool to help explain the mysteries of faith. Likewise evolutionists ignore religion & philosophy better explain the meaning behind the science. Imagine the harmony if those representing the extremes of these two groups could come together.

That's hilarious! I hope the man is ok. That was nice of Sheffield.

People naturally seek comfort zones. Change naturally threatens that. That applies to matters of education, home, work, play, love, religion, morals, etc.

Everyone knows I detest all forms of censorship no matter how rude or how offensive they might be to others. I think the case in CU with that professor is a clear example. My personal opinion is that he's bombed out of his skull to compare victims in the WTC bombings to Nazi's (if that is indeed what he did - I did not read the details). I would prefer that he shows greater discretion & respect towards those victims & seeks another way to make his points but I respect his right to say what he wants. In the same manner I do agree with regulation of speech. Yes you can say whatever you want but in terms of who hears it & when they hear it the state has a valid interest in regulating that. In that respect the Admins & Mods of SOXTALK represent the State & I support their right to regulate speech here as they see fit. I think they do a fair job at it but I do have one recommendation: instead of removing a thread create an offensive forum. This would be the bit bucket for anything you feel is to offensive for the common good of the forum. It's sort of like the Scarlet letter branding of posts. You have a right to write what you want but we have a right to file it as we see fit. There would of course be the Scarlet letter stigma associated with the forum for those who find their posts ending up there & those reading the posts. That in itself could be a pretty effective deterrent

I'd probably say I'm a little bit of all of them except Lifer. I think you have to be starter for that. Funny list though. Doh! I'm a starter now. Didn't even notice when it changed. Ok. Let's say 10K posts

I'm not certain because I didn't catch the whole thing but I thnk they caught Bentley. He was the man they were looking for with the Amber Alert. I don't think they found the girl yet. :cry All we can do is remain alert &

Crazy Carl would probably be the first get a pet dino. I wonder if he would still believe it never happened or whether it was man making fiction real? I always fact JP was plausible fiction. Not just in the case of recovering DNA but much more so in the case of designing it. That's the scary thing. Imagine terrorists having the ability to design dinos? Based on what we know they grow pretty fast. Nanotech could be used to control them. Quick call up Hollywood! I've got the script for JP V!

I'm not disagreeing with you that roids allowed him to play at a higher level more of the time at an advanced age. But we also know there are many substances that are legal in MLB that Bonds could have used as well. Creotine for example is one. What I'm saying is on a level playing field where no one is juiced is Barry still considered the best player in the game for those years? I don't see any evidence that would suggest otherwise. On the subject of Babe Ruth & Barry Bonds, let's not forget that it is public record today that Ruth was essentially a lush. He played most of the times being buzzed & over-fed. To imagine what he would put up today with the focus to health & conditioning boggles the mind. Regardless of what any other player does Ruth in my opinion will remain the greatest player to ever play the game. Let's not forget dirty tricks with the norm when Ruth played. Pitchers did things that would clearly be illegal in the game today.

The entire right-to-die right is a very difficult one for Catholics to come to grips with. The only latitude being that those who are Catholics have the right to refuse extraordinary medical treatment to sustain our life. The Church doesn't give much latitude in determining when you can & can not refuse treatment. It should be obvious now that feeding tubes are a borderline case at best. There has been much debate on whether one feels pain during starvation. Obviously that's going to depend on how much awareness a person has to the pain. I've read what I can on this & was surprised by the answers. There is no way to insure a person will not feel pain during starvation. A morphine IV can not insure against that & in some cases can hurt. Other analgesic drugs are considered more appropriate but they do can not insure against it. Instead they observe the person during the starvation and treat any signs of pain that are visible. This of course calls into question right-to-die by lethal injection. This applies to any life-support & not just feeding tubes. If the act of refusing such life support creates a possibility of pain for the incapacitated person then all states need to re-evaluate this. Most Americans are members of some religious faith that strongly opposes suicide & assistance to suicide. This is a good example where religion can shape legislation in a positive way. The key to the religious doctrine is that a Catholic can not willingly make a decision to assist in their death or the death of another. They can only make a decision to refuse life-support to sustain their life or sustain the life another. So the solution then is for the state to make right-to-die by lethal injection the default. They can still provide the right-to-die by suspension of life-support any option for those who want it. Though that option seems illogical I look to some Muslims who seem to associate death & suffering with a higher reward in heaven so I would not deny that option for those people. This would allow Catholics & other religious persons to die in peace free from suffering in their last days.

Not sure if it's been posted here, but Judge Whittemore rejected the Schindlers latest motion. Their appeal awaits the judges in ATL again. I don't think it's been mentioned her but I think this story resonates with Catholics more so than just Evangelicals. http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/sanct...e/eutharc.shtml Euthanasia & Suicide - Morally unacceptable Refusal of Extraordinay Medical Treatment - Morally acceptable The biggest problem in this for many 100's of millions of Catholics around the world is that the Pope has weighed in on this case. In his continued reference to Terri being starved to death it's apparent that he does not consider feeding tubes as extraordinary medical treatment. When you consider that there are millions of disabled persons around the world today who are aware & are being fed by tubes you can see his argument. To the non-Catholic this is not a big deal but to a Catholic it's a very big deal. Absolution from one's sins before death is arguably one of the most important aspects of the faith for Catholics. Generally speaking a Catholic wants to leave this world morally cleansed above anything else in their life. Terri as you know is a Catholic. For the past 15 yrs she has been receiving Communion when the court has permitted it. As some of you may know absolution through confession is a pre-req for Communion. So every time she has received Communion in this time it's been a re-affirmation of her Catholic faith if you will. We also know that prior to her collapse she attended church regularly. So it's safe to assume her faith was very important to her. We all say things at times that are driven by emotions that later on when we have calmed down we might think twice about. This is where the interpretation of separation of church & state may get in the way of the court making a reasonable decision. Should these emotionally charged statements that might follow a movie, television program, story someone's heard, an article someone's read, etc. have greater credence for a Catholic than the faith they are committed to? That's not an easy question to answer but you would hope the court does not simply ignore the devotion a person demonstrates to one's faith. From a lay person's persepective looking at a Catholic as a member of a group with by-laws devotion of one's faith & acceptance of the statutes of that faith can be measured by not just how often a Catholic attends church but more importantly how often they appear before a priest to confess their sins. When a Catholic confesses their sins it is an affirmation of how serious they take their faith with respect to dying with a morally cleansed soul. IMO, it's wrong for the courts to simply ignore such practices from Catholics in determining a Catholic's right-to-die. I would hope that Greer did not do this, but based on what I've read from his decisions I can not find any evidence that he did not. That for me is very disturbing. If the courts have taken the sep of C&S to such an extreme as to consider religious behavior & practice irrelevant to cases then something needs to be done about that. No behavior & no practice whether it be religious or secular should be ignored in any case where it can play a significant role in the decision.

Japan. I have the $.

www.christianwireservice.com - I've read the briefs. All of them our asking Gov Bush to use his executive order power to take custody over Terri. That's different than the FLDCAFS trying to take custody over her life. One brief is making reference to FL law pertaining to disable persons, another brief makes reference to the 8th Amendment & cruel & unsual punishnment, another applies to a FL statute of disable persons to enjoy life. I think you can see the weakness here. All of the briefs elevate Terri's state from being that of PVS to being disabled. The court of FL has already declared her to be in a PVS state. So sure Gov Bush could declare an executive order but to what end? He can't force the court to change their position on r-t-d or PVS. So he risks impeachment over the act to no end. What Buchanan is advocating is that Pres Bush declare an executive order on the basis that FL's r-t-d laws are unconstitutional. What these other lawyers are advocating is that Gov Bush declare an executive order on the basis that recent FL court decisions are unconstitutional with respect to both FL & the US law. To what end? The USSC has already recognized the state's power to enact r-t-d laws. It's recognized the right of the state to set a high procedural bar to establish that right. There was nothing in the 1990 decision that suggests the USSC would be willing to define a minimal set of standards for that bar. So Bush is suppose to risk impeachment so that Terri can be fed again? Buchanan is crazy. He's arguing US Cons Law ignoring recent USSC decisions governing the interpretation of that law. Now let's consider Gov Bush's options. He can issue an executive order to take Terri into protective custody under the guidelines of those very weak briefs or he can make a charge against Michael on the grounds he violated the disabilities act of the state of FL & then take her into protective custody as a criminal witness. So Gov Bush is suppose to risk impeachment so that Terri can be fed again? Again it's crazy. They just can't seem to understand that any executive order outside without the blessings of the courts is going to be short lived, challenged, & change ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with respect to Terri's future. The act of the order is not suddenly going to cause Greer to change his decision. Maybe it doesn't make sense. May it does look crazy to the rest of the world. But Greer is the definitive voice of the court in this case. His decision has been upheld by the highest court in FL, a full Fed Appeals Court & the USSC. I realize they don't want to admit that but when the USSC refuses to hear your case it is assumed they see no reason to challenge the Fed Appeal Court ruling. I applaud the efforts of Terri's family for doing all that is in their power to save Terri's life. They are firmly convinced their daughter responds to them & enjoys being with them. They are standing strong in their conviction to fight to the very end for her life. But please keep it real. Don't get on TV & start askiing Gov Bush & Pres Bush to do something, anything to save her life. The Judicial branch serves as a check & balance against both the Legislative & Executive branches. Executive powers are meant to deal with major emergencies & not contesting a right to die right sanctioned by the highest court in the state of FL. ================================= I hope some of the people who voted for the GOP in both the state of FL & the nation do not suddenly stop voting or switch parties because they couldn't save Terri. They have done everything in their power to help the Schindler's cause. The Schindler's have the opportunity to go before Judge Whittemore tonight because of Schiavo's Law. Without Schiavo's Law this would have ended at the FLSC after the USSC refuse to hear it.

Dershowitz is a very good source to listen in when you want the facts of the case. I know we all have high-strung emotions on this but Dershowitz said on MSNBC if this case is deliberated in MO it's entirely different. If it's deliberated in many other states it's entirely different. In those states the r-t- d would never have been established. But in the state of FL the law is that a statement from a spouse attesting to their spouses r-t-d is sufficient. That's the law. The right was established while Michael is still legally her spouse. This is the point that Dershowitz wanted to stress. He feels the FL law is wrong. Dershowitz believes there is not enough evidence in the case to establish that right & so he blames the FL Congress. Dershowitz stated he thinks their best hope is that Whittemore will write something that could then convince a couple of more justices in ATL to side with their appeal. That would cause the tubes to be immediately re-inserted (surgery - assuming she could survive it) & then Michael would then challenge that appeal to the USSC on basis of the constitutionality of Schiavo's Law. There is of course the aftermath of all of this. Michael has secured the right to cremate Terri. I don't think many of us realize how this looks to those who know little about the law or much beyond their own personal experience. These people see a man who is sleeping with another woman & has fathererd 2 of her children having the power to both starve his wife to death & then cremate her. For those who know something of the law they know he would not be able to do this in many other states. I find peace in mind in all this by remembering that O. J. is free. That Blake (Beretta) is free. That their ex-wives are dead. Those families are crushed. Both these men were accused of murder. The prosecution had ample evidence for a conviction & the jury found them not guilty. Yes there were procedural goofs with O. J but that was not the case that I know of with Blake. The point of all that is I keep reminding myself that the American justice system sometimes resembles justice & sometimes it doesn't. I'm happy that the US Congress passed Schiavo's Law. I think that extra tool will make it harder for guardians of disabled persons to starve them to death in the absence of a living will. Its an extra tool to insure due process within the state.

I have no idea what they all think Gov Bush can do short of breaking the law. The FLDCAFS (FL Dept of Child & Adult Family Srvcs) took their appeal all the way to FLSC. It was denied. This was the appeal for them to take Terri into protective custody & make her a ward of the state. Judge Whittemore had completed the hearing & his now deliberating. He wil post his decision in the next couple of hours on the courts web site. There is suspcious pkg at the court house in Tampa & they have evacuated the area. ========================================= All of you are right that the media has been a powerful force in this case. They will not let it die. CNN of all channels had a a powerful segment tonight. Featuring Kate the woman who had fought her way back from MCS-PVS. I was perfectly fine with letting this play out in the courts & then the bomb struck for me. A disabled person called Larry King's show & she asked him if we were all going to be threatened because we are on feeding tubes? Suddenly the talk shifted from Terri to how this decision could impact the 10's & 1000's of disabled persons who are on feeding tubes. I'm not sure most of these people have living wills or even the capacity to complete one. The people I know who where disabled were further along I believe than Kate was. What I fear is that these people living in their homes today with feeding tubes could have a relapse & then following a mis-diagnosis be declared as a PVS & then have their life decided by a guardian who may or may not have their best interests at heart. I pray Judge Whittemore considers the ramifications of his decision. I pray that regardless of that decision FL takes a new look at it's r-t-d law & defines procedures to make it both harder to declare a PVS & harder to declare a r-t-d. I pray that all 50 states take a new look at their r-t-d laws & follow that same procedure. But most of all I pray that the 10's of 1000's of disabled Americans who are being fed by tubes today that their guardians have their best interests at heart & will error on the side of life if they should have a relapse. ======================================