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QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 07:55 PM) I have to say that Konerko has more than made up for a poor 2000 playoff appearance. People do not remember 1993. I sure as hell don't, but I'm capable enough of looking up Thomas's line in the ALCS. .353/.593/.529/1.131...that would be 6 for 17, 1 homer, 3 RBI, and 10 f'ing walks. It's not like he wasn't doing what he could to help start something.

QUOTE(cgaudin @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 10:08 PM) I would trade ANYONE on the Sox roster for Ichiro. I'd give every prospect up, Ichiro is a god among men. He has hit .330 and has a .376 OBP for his career. That's insane! But I don't think we'll get him. Unfortunately, Ozzie likes the Juan Pierre kool-aid ever since his stint at Florida as a coach. If you are telling me Ozzie Guillen would prefer Juan Pierre over Ichiro, then you are completely out of your mind.

QUOTE(cgaudin @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 09:50 PM) He absolutely sucked in the second half. Our high output offense sputtered in the last 2 months of the season, and I put much of the blame on his "swing for the fences, no matter what" mentality. You wouldn't have cared had those been 2 run homers. Blame Podsednik

QUOTE(cuddlyboy26 @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 05:30 PM) Sorry I was doing alot at once and it was a bad typo. When I said referring to White Sox losing possesion of Crede before 2008 ends though I meant is they might not re-sign him after his 1-year contract for 2007, and trade him to another team after 2007 making him their property for a year, but a free agent after 2008 likely. He is under White Sox control until 2008. After the 2008 season, he can become a free agent.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 10:36 AM) Look, I give every player at least one stint on the DL plus a day off every month. That would be about 21 days off during the year. So...162 - 21 = 141 games. And I know most position players play more than that. And, don't forget, catchers regularly catch between 130 - 140 games a year. Do you sign them for less? Yes

Alou should be starting somewhere next year. 22 homers, .919 OPS in about 375 PAs this year...that's very solid, regardless of how much time he missed.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 03:58 PM) Hell even in that 0-9 series he had in 2000, he had a 4/0 BB:K ratio. Frank just had some bad luck, plus getting under some pitches. It's not like he was striking out in every apperence he made. The M's staff wasn't stupid, they wanted no part of him. Pitching around him to let someone else beat him is a smart move. Afterall, he was the clean MVP

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 12:24 AM) I'm still searching for quotes, but before any moves were made, I had identified the 4 players who were the most easily replacable assets the Sox had from the 2005 squad who were still under Sox control as Rowand, Marte, El Duque, and Vizcaino. Those were the 4 players any smart GM would have had the foresight to move while attempting to make the '05 White Sox better. That's exactly who KW moved. The moves may not have worked out how you wanted them to, but they were the right trading chips to use. Kenny identified the players But, I also saw the bullpen meltdown coming from last November.Of course, I didn't foresee all of them being worse than league average in '06. I only expected they would be average-to-slightly-above-average, so I didn't really feel that acquiring much bullpen help was necessary. Rowand was a player a year removed from a 900 OPS season, and months removed from gaining a reputation as one of the best defensive CFers in baseball. But he was also an automatic out on sliders low-and-away and was jamming himself on anything on the inner half trying to compensate. He was cheap and overvalued on the open market with a number of clubs looking to improve their CF positions. From the Sox perspective, there was no reason to believe that Brian Anderson couldn't replace Rowand's prodigious 6-4-3 total while generally looking feeble at the plate, which, if you'll remember, is pretty much what you got at the plate from Rowan in '05. If you want to argue that Rowand's departure hurt the Sox because they lost defense, you'd be right, but your anger should not be directed at Williams, rather Ozzie, who continued to play a utility player/corner outfielder in his place. Rowand was also used to fill the Sox most glaring hole in '05. They didn't have a #3 hitter, as those players combined to post a sub .300 OBP, and needed to add OBP and some left-handed pop to their line-up. It was either Thome or Delgado, and Delgado didn't want to come to Chicago. Williams did his job about as well as can be expected. He may not have made all the right moves, but he had sound reasoning behind every single one of them. He's not the reason the Sox are watching the playoffs on TV right now. Crappy starting pitching, which Williams tried to guard against with the acquisition of Vazquez, our two best arms in the bullpen being hurt -- yet refusing to admit the obvious -- and the offense going in the crapper down the stretch are the three biggest reasons that we're not in the playoffs.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 3, 2006 -> 03:01 PM) Should KW be fired for letting Big Hurt go? It's a business of results...

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Oct 3, 2006 -> 04:12 PM) Compare Frank and Jim's salary, then post those stats again. If the Sox keep Frank, they could have traded Gio, Rowand, etc for perhaps a piece that we needed, maybe say bullpen or a LF? Frank would have cost us 0 talent, and a fraction of Thome's salary. Jim was awesome, but he would have had to be exponentially better than Frank for the trade to be worth it. The Sox took a risk that Thome would be healthy and Frank would not be. Frank turned out to be healthy, but that was a risk the Sox were not going to take. Rock on Big Frank. If you would have told me Frank would have been relatively healthy for the entire season, I would have probably laughed in your face. He wasn't let go because he was unproductive, he was let go because he was almost guaranteed to get hurt, like he had the 2 seasons before that. Hindsight is 20/20, and the White Sox blew it. That's always going to happen. and fwiw, Thomas doesn't hit left-handed. That was pretty much the biggest reason Thome was brought in.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 29, 2006 -> 08:38 PM) When these guys start dropping dead at the age of 45 from steroid-related heart attacks, then people will finally see why MLB is trying to clean up the sport. All you have to do is check out a wrestling website every month, and it seems there's another guy in the 40-50 year old range dropping dead. Bringing this up reminds me of Ken Caminiti. What steroids will do to a guy.

Bonser's pitched very well of late, except against the Sox, it seems as though Radke's always been a big game pitcher, and seeing as how he's going to retire after this year, he'll pitch until his arm falls off. You then throw Baker/Garza into the mix if they can, along with one of the best bullpens and the best hitting team in the league(for average), and I think they have a legit chance.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 01:45 PM) Never. McDonough talked about it and basically said he and Hendry are going to hammer out a plan for next year. Hopefully they resign Pierre

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 12:36 AM) Garcia has a much better reputation than Lidle though. Lidle was also much cheaper financially, was guaranteed to be coming back for the next few years, and actually put up 2 better years in a row than Garcia has with the Sox. I do agree with the reputation, and that starting pitching's value in general is higher than it was then(or big game starters)...that doesn't mean Garcia is going to net the Sox a "stud package" in return. A top 10 and a top 20 prospect would satisfy me, or if he helped net the Sox a good leadoff hitter for next year's team.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 10:52 PM) Coming into this season his career OBP was .348 so while his lowest OBP over that span was .344 (according to Baseball reference,) he has generally been a .340-.350 type guy. I don't know why you randomly chose the 4 year period, but I imagine it has to do with him posting a .323 OBP back in 2002. I don't think Furcal is a bad player, but he's not worth the money he's getting (LA probably knows that, but they're not going to move him because of it) and I don't see why LA would move him AND eat money just for prospects if the guy is performing better than his career norms and is part of a team going to the playoffs. You think there are fans of another team saying "Hey, The White Sox have Ross Gload and Jim Thome. Perhaps they would trade Paul Konerko for a couple good prospects and send some money over with the big contract he has." ? I figured the 4 year period was a good enough amount of time to see that a set pattern was in place. I didn't include 5 years back because his OBP was .323 and, well, because it was 5 years ago. It'd be a little illogical to use Sabathia's stats from 5 years back to compare him to the pitcher he is now, but by going back from those 5 years, you see a trend in his pitching performance from season to season. The same exact concept applies here. He's not worth $13 mill a year, but if LA is getting a starting pitcher back, and not prospects(because prospects would be pointless for a team trying to contend), I don't know why they wouldn't consider it. And I don't necessarily see how the Thome/Gload/Konerko comparison works. Thome's old as hell, Konerko's in the prime of his career, Gload's been a career backup, and the Sox don't have a big enough hole to have really any desire to trade Konerko. If hypothetically Minnesota offered the Sox Johan Santana, you'd have to make the deal, and there's no way around it. The same concept applies here, with LA figuring they can find a viable enough replacement for Furcal at SS and at leadoff(with of course, there no need to have both be a SS...the SS obviously has to be, duh, but they don't need their SS leading off), and in turn, they get a very quality starting pitcher while saving a bit of money long-term, thus filling a pretty big hole for them. The Sox would probably have to make the right offer, and in doing so, would likely have to overpay in some regard, perhaps in taking on all of Furcal's salary rather than getting some financial help in return, or by sending other players along with the starter they give up for Furcal.

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 11:13 PM) We can't deal Garcia...dude has been our best pitcher in the last month. Tell me we are going to deal him and you better give me a stud package in return. Cory Lidle didn't bring the A's a stud package after his 2002 season.

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 12:12 AM) Well....who can bunt, steal bases, and make contact? Um, Adam Dunn...? Yeah, I think the writing's been on the wall for a long ass time. I hope it doesnt come to fruition

QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 10:31 PM) Let's hope KW's thumbs down in the media means no Pierre. Hopefully KW has no use for that slap hitter. Why not drop Pods, give Sweeney the job. Because Sweeney would be as bad as Podsednik

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 09:12 PM) I'm not trying to jinx anyone. I couldn't care less who wins the world series. It's going to be the Tigers though. I thought the playoffs were not going to happen this year

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 09:59 PM) Aside from this season, Furcal's OBP isn't exactly "high." His lowest OBP in the last 4 seasons was .345 in 2004, and considering the number of XBHs he gets and the fact that he does still steal bases, his OBP can be a little lower. The point of a leadoff hitter is to score runs. Getting on base is the key idea in scoring runs, yes, but you're going to score more from scoring position than from standing on 1B. There is a reason he's scored 100+ runs in each of the past 4 seasons, and Podsednik has only scored 100 runs one time in his career.

I would definitely be a huge fan of Furcal. Hell, I'd never thought of him. If LA were willing, and they'd eat some money, why the hell not?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 01:47 PM) This Jets/Colts game has been quite good up to halftime. I hate FOX, I just hate everything about it. They seem to love colorful, s***ty, elaborate graphics and a s***load of unnecessary sound. CBS on the other hand has a much better HD picture (FOX' is way too colorful) along with crisp, simple, blue graphics. In other words CBS >>>> FOX. Agreed. Add to the fact that CBS broadcasters are 100x better than the Fox broadcasters. I think I hate everything about Fox, honestly, other than the fact that I got to watch the Bills win today.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 05:09 PM) Crede = ~$6M Dye = $6M Thome = ~$7M Konerko = $12M Contreras = $9M Vazquez = $9.5M Buehrle = $9.5M Garcia = $10M Garland = $10M IMO there's much more productive and realistic ways of freeing up money than trading a slugger. Dude, fook that man, trade Thome for some bullpen arms. They're so good, just automatic from year to year

QUOTE(chisoxdavid @ Sep 29, 2006 -> 01:31 PM) Do you think he would of played with those injuries if he had a big contract? In a f***ing second

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 06:42 PM) I thought Santana clocked in at 97-98. Anyway, McCarthy doesn't have a fastball like that and probably never will. There's a big difference. That's why I was saying, he doesn't have enough velocity to get away with his fastball. Like you said, a 75 MPH changeup with an at least 96MPH fastball is devastating because we're talking a good 21MPH difference with pinpoint location, control, and coming from the leftside. No where was I ever comparing McCarthy to Santana. Put that on the record, and let the public know. Santana is a god right now...perfect mechanics, perfect pitches, great control, great stuff...there is no competition. However, what I was doing, was basically making a plain example as to how a guy with a straight fastball can not only be good, but in fact be absolutely outstanding, SO LONG AS he has good secondary pitches. Without those, he's fistfooked, and he's still pitching in A. And FWIW...Santana is 94-97. He touches 98 when he reaches back, but on a regular basis, he rarely touches 98.