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QUOTE(max power @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 07:09 PM) Too bad the brewers blew a 2 run lead in the 8th. Go Cards. I grew a large dislike of the Astros come late October of last year. It seemed like they felt as though they were going to roll right through the White Sox. If someone feels that way about someone you know or someone close to you, you get f'in pissed off. Of course, we all know what happened. I still want the Astros to lose today.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 05:16 PM) Postseason, and then some. Pedro's gonna be out for 8 months following surgery, which means no "baseball activities" until June. Why didn't Pedro want the MRI before the contract, now?... I keep hearing that the Mets are here to stay, but that staff will need a lot of work in the offseason. A LOT of work. Edit: Link. Spose Minaya's still not interested in Zito?

QUOTE(Shamrock4Life @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 05:03 PM) pods was always the firecracker of this offense in 05 though wasn't he? Yeah, that was then, this was now Pods sucked this year

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 11:04 AM) trade Javy, not freddy. Let him have a good half with someone else. We need someone to have a good year. Freddy was never right coming off the WBC. Let him go home and harvest his crops, kick it, and come back strong. I'm just gonna go ahead and pretend this is a joke. I'd rather have 1 good half from Vazquez then no good halves from Garcia

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Sep 29, 2006 -> 03:47 PM) To me, it's also his stuff. I don't think he'll have those high K totals over the course of a season. He'll have more K's than Buehrle, but all I see him as is a RH Buehrle with a teeny bit better stuff. He has a great change and his curve was great last year, but his fastball was as straight as an arrow and he didn't have the velocity to get by with that last year. This year, he still has a great change, his curve became a bit worse with the new overhand motion and his fastball still isn't enough to fool hitters over the course of a season. I'd like to see him at least develop another pitch like a 2-seamer before I deem him God like so many others have. McCarthy had good enough stuff coming out of the minor leagues to be a middle of the rotation starter. Guess what, he listened to what you want him to do about however long ago, and he has started to develop a 2-seamer. Pitchers can get by with a straight fastball so long as their complementary pitches are good enough. From what I have seen of Santana, his fastball is straight as hell, but he keeps hitters off-balance unbelievably well with his change and curve. That's just plain and simply having good command of his pitches. That's what McCarthy possesses too...adding a 2-seamer to that, and having good command and control of that is only going to make him better. (fwiw, Santana's changeup is the best in the league, and his slider is nothing to scoff at either...if you can throw a 75 MPH changeup with a 96 MPH fastball, and then mix in an 89 MPH slider too, while having good command and control, the other team is done almost every time. McCarthy could potentially at some point down the line develop into a pitcher like that, but it's not next year)

QUOTE(SinkingShip06 @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 03:19 AM) if this game meant anything for us we would have lost. thanks Cleo

QUOTE(longshot7 @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 05:36 PM) people are so self-righteopus about this steroid issue. Geez folks, get over yourselves - like you've never cheated or sought an advantage on another person. What's that quote - "If you're not cheating, you're not trying"? I like "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat, cheat, cheat." I hope this post is not serious, because it's not like non-medical steroid use is against the law or anything.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 11:08 PM) He gets more praise than Garland for gawdsakes. BMac ought to pitch so loose next year. For whatever he does if he fails people will blame Oz for misusing him even though it was KW who acquired an extra starter forcing BMac to the pen. I hope we keep Fred and trad Mr. Six inning but I realize I'm in the minority there and Fred will be the one to go. Except that McCarthy was misused this year, by both Ozzie and KW. There really was no need for Vazquez going into the year, but KW brought him in as more of a luxury(and I think that luxury will be really nice come next year). He was misused by Ozzie because he was supposed to act as a swingman, doing anything and everything the team needed out of the pen. Ozzie seemed to view him as a middle reliever that could work 3 innings, seeing as how he got 2 starts all year long, when really he should have made 6-7. After Buehrle had 3 horrible starts in a row in July, put him in. EDIT: Let it be known, McCarthy didn't pitch well out of the bullpen, and he deserves all the blame for that. He is better suited to start though, as he's been starting all his life. Add into the fact that he just does not have good stuff for a bullpen pitcher, and you have your reasons/excuses as to why he was not very good out of the pen this year. And I still don't think either Garcia or Vazquez are gone next year, but that's mainly me speculating that KW won't trade Garcia or Vazquez while their values are low as hell, while Contreras's is still relatively high, considering he has more years left on his contract and he was still quite solid throughout the year with good stats in the end. The only variable working against him is age, but seeing as how he's been rather durable other than his freak sciatic nerve pull, it looks like a guarantee that he'll live out his contract and still be relatively productive towards the end.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 09:57 PM) This is sort of what I was getting it in my 1st post on this subject. If you could trade say Contreras and Uribe to Texas for Danks, Arias and someone else, and then trade Fields and Danks to Tampa Bay for Crawford, that would probably work. Danks has top of the rotation potential, and Fields will be a building block at 3rd base for them. We keep B-Mac, and get a young SS in Arias, which is something we don't have in our system. You could then sign a FA like Gonzalez to a 1 year deal until Arias is ready. Either way, definitely can't see B-Mac getting dealt especially after his performance last night. So are they going to pencil Upton into the DH role for the next 5 years?

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 29, 2006 -> 01:36 AM) El Duque is starting game one of the playoffs. Should we just fricking have stood pat after last year? The Sox would have been abused had they stood pat. Carl Everett would agree with me.

QUOTE(GaelicSoxFan @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 03:37 PM) My personal feeling is when they traded El Duque for Vazquez in spring training, they never intended for Vazquez to pitch one inning this year in a Sox uni. I think they acquired him with the intention of finding someone stupid enough to take on his fat contract and making B-Mac the 5th starter. how about no KW has had a mancrush on Vazquez since his Montreal days. KW acquired Vazquez to put him in the rotation.

QUOTE(beautox @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 03:17 PM) i wouldn't hes in the last year of his contract. I assume it would take a pitching prospect that would be ready by mid '07 and a top posistion prospect to get him So Broadway + Fields/Sweeney. Would you do that deal? Broadway and Fields/Sweeney for Ichiro? I'd make that trade yesterday Problem is, Seattle will never make that deal. For Ichiro, you're looking at a starting pitcher and probably 2 prospects on top of that.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 11:32 AM) I believe you mean a SP who is old, yet still on contract for 3 more years and nearly 30 more million for a SS that is one of the best hitters at his position and making hardly anything. Also, Timo Perez has World Series experience. I bet we could have gotten a lot in return for him last year. Good comparison, seeing as how Timo Perez started game 1 and all. Young is nothing special defensively either. And he's not an elite hitter, nor is he a world beater. He's a solid all-around hitter The fact remains, the Rangers are in need of good starting pitching, they have had pretty good luck all around at developing middle infielders, and the pieces line up. One reason the Rangers may not give him up is that his value is a little lower at this point. He's coming off his "worst" season since 2003, but he's still been productive as hell. (For the record, I don't think Young's going to be a member of the White Sox next year...but to suggest they wouldn't trade him for Contreras is questionable)

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 11:24 AM) Man, he looked EXCELLENT last nite. and just yesterday some of us were talking of trading him if the right deal came along (myself included) I think he means in comparison to other starts. McCarthy looked dominant ..... Garcia looked a hell of a lot better than McCarthy did about 2-3 weeks ago. And then again his next start. And Vazquez has been very good since August(it's not his fault the offense can't score(INHFTOCS)) I have a feeling that will not catch on quite like MBINAA

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 11:23 AM) And then said that he wanted to keep Young around, and extend his contract this offseason. http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/ne...sp&c_id=tex So Daniels would turn down a SP with World Series experience for a SS who is not really a SS? k

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 11:16 AM) I agree with you that Young would be an excellent addition, but hell, so would Albert Pujols and Johan Santana. I think its pretty unlikely that we'll see Young in a Sox uniform next year, and if he is in one, it will be at the price of McCarthy and more most likely. no The Rangers need SP, and Hicks has recently atleast tried to throw Michael Young under the bus. You give them Contreras, I guarantee they are offering Young plus a reliever, and KW would be dumb as hell to take that.

Is this thread serious? Best starting pitcher BASED OFF OF 1 F'IN START?

QUOTE(VAfan @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 08:43 AM) But we don't have a do-over. I would agree that we can't trade BMac, but which starter can we trade? If I had to pick one it would be Vazquez. Decent stuff, but doesn't have the mental makeup to be a winner. Would the D-Rays take Vazquez for Crawford?? No. But would they take Vazquez and Fields? I am getting sick and tired of people trying to trade Vazquez. What part of 2nd best starter in the 2nd half do people not understand? Decent stuff? How about best stuff of anyone with a chance in hell of starting that is in the Chicago White Sox organization? I'm not sure you've ever really watched him pitch. 93-96 fastball with movement, snapdragon curve, very good slider, and a respectable change...there's no one in the organization with better s*** than that...that starts anyways(MacDougal and Jenks are pretty much both disgusting as hell, but they pitch about 80 innings a year if they're both healthy) And HELL NO the DRays would not take Vazquez and Fields. Vazquez's value is low as hell right now, trading him brings back a negative return. Add on to the fact that he's 29-30 now, heading towards the middle to late stages of his career, and, oh yeah, the DRays sure as hell don't want him, seeing as how he makes $12 mill a year and all. If you want Crawford, it's going to cost atleast one top 5 pitching prospect; from there, it may cost another top 10-15 prospect, as well as a throw-in or two as well. If I had to take an absolute guess right now, the best offer the Sox could put on the table for Crawford right now would be McCarthy, Fields, and Broadway/Egbert, and that still may not get it done. If the Sox are at all serious about acquiring Crawford, they will need to ship out one of the starters(Garcia/Buehrle/Contreras...all have their reasons for going) for pitching prospects, and then send those over to Tampa along with probably Fields for Crawford. LOL...using 1 year as an example? How about the fact that he actually is suited better to be hitting lower in the order, thus Maddon has him hitting 2nd? You want an example of what Crawford will do leading off, look at Jimmy Rollins. That's pretty much perfect for comparison's sake. Maybe it's just me, but I can overlook at .338 OBP when my leadoff man is in scoring position seemingly half the time, while he's driving himself in 20-25 times a year, which is what Rollins or Crawford would do for the Sox.

QUOTE(OldSox2 @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 07:08 PM) What were Chris Young's stats? .276 21 HR(57 XBHs) 77 RBI 17/22 SB .363/.532/.895 in 460 PAs in AAA. .250 2(6) 10 2/3 .319/.406/.726 in 76 PAs in MLB (those MLB stats were his going into the night. He went 1 for 5 tonight, I haven't found any updated stats yet, and I'm too lazy to do any math at this point) EDIT: edit: s***, were? if you're talking 2005, here's this... http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/Y/Chris-Young-1.shtml that would have been so much easier to begin with

QUOTE(Colorado Sox Fan @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 01:46 AM) I can't believe how the entire starting staff is in turmoil for next year. I am going to go ahead and quote the great mind of Forrest Gump... s*** happens

QUOTE(TheBlackSox8 @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 10:13 PM) that's interesting....i overlooked the guy. He also is pretty good in left field too. But almost anybody is an upgrade from the '06 Pods He's pretty much one of the worst defensive outfielders in the league from all I've heard. Gets horrible reads on almost every ball hit at him, and makes routine plays look extremely difficult.

QUOTE(Benchwarmerjim @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 10:29 PM) and if the Tigers are good again next year.. very nice and tough division! Sounds like a playoff rotation is almost set Santana going game 1, then BOOF game 2, and depends how Radke's shoulder does tomorrow (he's starting against the Royals) he gets game 3 If Radke can't go, are we looking forward to Garza? Cuz it'd probably be pretty dumb to start Silva

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 08:40 PM) Sheesh. Looking at the Twins boxscore...they have a guy with an ERA over 6 in their rotation and yet they will make the playoffs. Silva's been a respectable #5 starter since the beginning of May. Not many pitchers can recover from a month with an ERA over 10. Just ask Mark Buehrle.

For those watching the game... Does McCarthy look like he did last September?

I wonder if Mr. Belding was taping it. Or if during the shoot, they had to cut because he kept yelling out "LISA!" when instead the girl's name was Rachel or something like that.