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I wouldn't be against locking it until the offseason heats up, and then once ST starts, locking it again until the middle of June. Well, lock it or get rid of it. Either/or

Just to add to this thread, I love fathom too And, I don't know if this even means anything at all, but why the hell not... 2004 White Sox August - 12-17 Sept/Oct - 19-13

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 03:47 PM) Just my guess, but I think Warrick might just sit out the year since he doesn't feel like rushing his come back if he doesn't have a team. I would definately look at him or Price. I think Price would be a borderline all-star again if he was a #2 WR. He's clearly not a #1 and I thought that to myself when ATL signed him. Can't hold it in anymore. All this Price talk is making me feel all warm inside. The Bills traded him...he did not sign with Atlanta. Buffalo got a 1st round pick...that being Willis McGahee. Sure 2003 blew ass...the team was mediocre, and I was left wondering if I liked the pick or not. In hindsight...yeah, it was decent.

QUOTE(heirdog @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 11:10 PM) Let's face it, the pitching has been our MVP and we have been in a funk lately because our pitching has come back down to earth so that our 2 and 3 runs scored have not been enough to win. 3 ER in 32.1 IP(I believe was the stat) should win you 4 games(unless you got shutdown in a game where a pitcher gave up 3 ER...that is about the only exception). It won us 4 games, and one of those games just so happened to go into extra innings. In August, when the team pitched well, they didn't score, and when they scored, they didn't pitch well. Pretty much clockwork all throughout August. That was not the way it was earlier in the year.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 06:44 PM) You cannot build a complete world series caliber team today in major league baseball with a second tier payroll. Do not tell Billy Beane. Let him continue to struggle in Oakland with his s*** payroll, and wonder why his team is so godawful.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 12:03 AM) I'd love to see him play in October. He had a bad rehab assignment and hten came in and smoked the ball. This guy can wake up on January 15th and hit. If his foot will allow him, he will swing the bat fine. He's a great trump card to have as a pinch-hitter. Will he be able to run the bases a little though. That has to be the concern. Bad visual. A single on a gapper potentially.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 10:54 PM) So does almost every single baseball team choke every year? It's been a bad stretch. It happens. It's not called choking. Yeah, they've been playing some horrible baseball for a couple of months now, but the lead is still there, and their have been a couple of bright spots along the way like tonight to continue to give us hope. Call it a choke if we lose the lead and miss the playoffs. Until then, I just don't see how it can already be called choking... Thank you. I mean, it's not like the Yankees started off the year 11-20 or anything like that.

Just to throw it out there Not sure if this is due to the Sox playing in an unbelievable hitter's park, facing a garbage rotation, or if is just a coincidence that Pods returning and the runs scoring occurred at the same time, but anyways... The Sox have scored 19 runs the past 3 games. They scored 27 their previous 10. Could be a combo of all 3, may have nothing to do with Podsednik, may have nothing to do with Texas, may have nothing to do with their garbage rotation. I'm just saying

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) That's because you are thinking about school too much :rolly Is that what they call it now a days?

Not that I don't agree with Mark talking out like this and speaking his mind, but... One of the luxuries of pitching in the AL is that you only have to bat maybe 4 games a year, if you're lucky.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:19 AM) Just curious, does anyone know who player B is. I remember having a conversation with qwerty earlier in the offseason about a player have virtually no difference between their OBP and BA. I wonder what the smallest difference is for a .300 hitter who plays the entire season. Candy LaChance had a .303 BA in 1901 with a .314 OBP(548 ABs, 555 PA's) Shawon Dunston had a .300 BA in 1997 with a .312 OBP(490 ABs, 498 PA's) Those are the closest I have found so far

QUOTE(brijames @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:43 PM) The Sox have stopped hitting period, and with great hitting ballclubs like the Rangers, currently beating us up, followed by the Tigers who are a great hitting team as well, the Sox will probably lose 6 of the next 7 while the Indians are just plain pounding everyone right now. That will put the lead around 2 or 3 by the end of next week and then the pressure will really eat this team up. Time to update my signature?

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:15 PM) With his injury history, you'd have to think they'd be very cautious. And if they did accept him in a trade, we likely wouldn't get much in return. Also, don't forget that Ozzie LOVES Duque, and hasn't always been very happy with Contreras. Contreras is a much more attractive chip on the market...to go along with Marte. So Duque lying about his injury earlier this season did not effect his relationship with Ozzie whatsoever?

So in the end, the Cubs turned Jason DuBois, a guy they essentially wanted to just dump, into a very solid leadoff hitter, setting themselves up to make a run. After that run did not materialize, they then traded Lawton for a 21 year old starter in A who has put up very solid numbers this year. That is not bad trading right there

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 12:45 AM) Gotta go with Contreras, Loiaza isn't even on the Yankees, we got the better deal of it. I do not believe the question is 'Who won the deal?', it is 'Who would you rather have?'. Give me Contreras any day of the week...unless financial terms are included. If we bring money into the discussion as well, then it is perhaps a different story...and perhaps not.

Holy s***

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Aug 27, 2005 -> 01:01 AM) I'm rooting for the Jays. They're one big bat away from being a pretty good contendor. Their rotation of Halladay-Bush-Lilly-Chacin-McGowan isn't the best, but it's above average. But, they need that Carlos Delgado-like bat in the middle of their lineup... They're supposed to be increasing their payroll a little next year. That will be a fun division to watch in the next couple years. A gillion dollar Red Sox team, a zillion dollar Yankee team, a very, very solid offensive team in Baltimore(who are some pitchers away from being contenders), and then you have the sabermetric Blue Jays with an increasing payroll. f***in' parody. There is a chance that, atleast in the AL, there will be no sellers next year...atleast for the Sox. The top 4 teams in the East are going to try and contend, and are all almost guaranteed atleast .500, signifying to me no sellers(and knowing TB, they won't sell s***, because they'll ask for Broadway, Gonzalez, and Young for Baez, or something ridiculous like that). The top 4 teams in the Central are all going to be good, and it's not like they were going to deal with the Sox anyways. And every team in the West will be atleast decent as well. Seattle's SP may need a little boost, but King Felix is good(*understatement of the year*).

To get back on topic... I have talked to redandwhite about this before. Ozzie is not the best manager in the game...not even close. Probably not even a top 15 manager. And, IMO, he is probably one of the worst, if not THE worst, in-game managers in the league...and while that is an opinion, the mass would agree. But without Ozzie...are the Sox 78-47? Is there any other manager in the game that could have the Sox at 78-47 right now? I don't think so. So ya, he is pretty much Ditka. These guys would run through a wall for this guy(or at the very least, into a wall), and you can see it day in and day out.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Aug 26, 2005 -> 03:36 PM) The Cubs would be lucky to get a bucket of balls for Nomar at this point. he is the biggest health questionmark in the league right now. Unless Nomar has another .330 year next year with 30+ homeruns and 100+ RBI, I really dont see him signing any huge contracts anymore. If the White Sox attempted to acquire Nomar for one player, I would be pissed. If the White Sox offered a package for Nomar, I would be furious. A bucket of balls for a career .320 hitter? Career .913 OPS? I don't think so. His value has diminished tremendously over the past 2 years, but just his career averages will make him attractive to many, many teams. He's a health risk...I've never said he wasn't. Then again, Ken Griffey Jr's a health risk, and the Sox have been after him like a bear looking for food. Jermaine Dye was a health risk, and that didn't stop the Sox from going after him. Dye is not nearly as injury prone as Griffey was, and is showing no signs of injury proneness whatsoever this year, with the exception of a tweaked back. He won't command multiple solid prospects...but he would command atleast a very solid prospect, and perhaps even a fringe prospect type. If he gets hot, and stays healthy for a stretch of time, he can carry a team offensively. Have him DH, and hope he gets hot...there is nothing wrong with that. All that being said...I too do not wish for the White Sox to look at him ever. It would take a lot of investment, and the risk will almost undoubtedly outweigh the reward...a case where it the reward would be greater would be if the Sox had to give up, oh say, Matt Smith for Nomar

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QUOTE(Texsox @ Aug 19, 2005 -> 07:19 AM) What a sad crash from a couple seasons ago. The 2003 Kansas City Royals was pretty much the flukiest team within the past 5-10 years.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Aug 26, 2005 -> 02:45 PM) Besides that why would the Cubs trade him to us.. Oh, I don't know. Because we'd be able to offer a very solid package, and there are no ill effects from a trade due to the teams only playing 6 games against each other during interleague play. Not like it's KC or Minnesota where they are trading us a guy that is not only hurting themselves by helping an opponent, but also by helping that opponent that is playing them 19 times during the year. You say that like the teams would never make a trade. I don't see Nomar coming here...way too much of a risk, and there is just no need for him with his pricetag being as high as it inevitably is. I don't want him at all.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 26, 2005 -> 11:28 AM) Yeah Marte's never performed to the same levels as he did under Jerry Manuel. I suppose, if Don Cooper's had one failure this year, it would be with Marte or Vizcaino. Don't get me wrong, Marte still has ok to good stats, he's just capable of so much more. Marte I'd say is getting used a lot more because he's closed games before, albeit not many and not very well. But Ozzie would rather go to him, then to give Cotts a go in that role, while Neal's been so godd in 6th, 7th, and 8th inning situations. Of course with the way Jenks has been pitching, they both shouldn't be needed in the 9th. For starters, ERA is one of the most overrated stats for relievers. Second of all...a 1.65 WHIP is OK to good? Marte's been awful this year. He has to put 2 people on before he can get an out it seems.

Does Punto not look like he is having a leg-kicker itch itched? You know, like how dogs do.

QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ Aug 25, 2005 -> 02:43 PM) The last thing we want to do is wear this guy down so quickly. Not sure how quickly you can wear down a guy that has been starting like his entire career except this year.