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QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 07:29 PM) Why do you think Beane wants McCarthy? It makes no sense. He's re-vamped the rotation already at the cost of Hudson & Mulder. I would think he has more confidence in the guys he traded for with the aces he gave up. Something to do with how he has already pitched at the MLB level, and considering how poorly his guys have pitched thus far. Haren and Blanton have been awful for the A's, and while Meyer may be decent, he is still in the minor leagues. It also has something to do with just collecting as much pitching as you can, because if you do, you are almost guaranteed to get a few that pitch well together eventually.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) Please. It was already known that Texas was willing to trade A-Rod with the whole Red Sox fiasco. After that s*** fell through, he was named captain, but then the Yankees surprised everyone by trading for him. It was also reported that A-Rod did not like that Showalter was the manager of the Rangers. A-Rod and Chavez are two COMPLETELY different trade senarios. A-Rod was coming off of a MVP season, the club knew it was a bad contract, the club WAS trying to trade him before he was traded, and the Sox can't throw money around like the Yanks. How are they completely different? An overpaid player taking up roughly the same amount of his team's salary each year(about 25%, maybe a little less in Chavez's case) which is a burden to whatever else the team does financially...sounds very similar to me. And while the Sox can't just bring in big contract after big contract, they do realize that if they let Konerko go after this year, along with Timo, Shingo, and Everett, they are set financially again. Chavez is getting $11 mill per, while the Sox are getting rid of $8.75 mill in Konerko, $1 in Timo, $2.5 in Shingo(not positive on that number, but I'm pretty sure that's right), along with $4 mill in Everett. They do have the money to make such a move, especially if JR were to feel that it were putting the team over the top. What I'd like to know is why you ignored the fact that Billy Beane said about the exact same thing about the big 3, yet went right ahead and traded them anyways. You don't think maybe he is, you know, trying to keep the value of his player as high as it can be, considering he is hitting about .220 right now with a .600 OPS? I know why you don't like the move...the guy has never put up a .900 OPS, he's never hit .290, yada yada...I quite frankly don't give a s*** about that. If he comes here, his average season with the A's(about .280 30 100 .880 I believe) could very well turn into .290 30+ 110 .900, and his defense is arguably the best in the majors leagues down at 3B...top 3 at the very least. That being said, I have never said I am really for the trade, because I am almost positive of what the cost will be(atleast McCarthy), and I very much fear the use of roids...and that fear should be there. I have a lot of fear of roids in a lot of players today...even Konerko and Everett. Why the sudden decrease in numbers? Because pitchers "adjusted" to you? If the price were like Anderson/Sweeney and Tracey, I would do it without thinking twice. Not that my say matters much, just that I'd rather lose an OF prospect and the second best pitching prospect who is older than most prospects at his point then the top pitching prospect who has good stuff with good command and demeanor on the mound.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 12:10 PM) Why take his word for it when we can just whack off to a baseless trade rumor? :rolly He's not coming here.................................this year. Because when it comes to trading, players, coaches, and front office personel are as shady as it gets. They is very little truth in what they say. Remember ARod prior to last season, being named team captain of the Rangers, and looking forward to staying in Texas for a long time after the trade negotiations broke down with Boston? About a week later he ends up in New York in a trade for Soriano. So when it comes right down to it...no I'm not gonna take his word. I'm not gonna take Billy Beane's word, I'm not gonna take Eric Chavez's word, I'm not gonna take KW's word, I'm not going to take anyone's word. I will listen to people that I consider good sources of information, but usually not the actual people involved. With that all being said...I feel I need to get my take in for Chavez in here somewhere, and I'm not gonna go digging through a million f***in posts either. In no way do I want to give up McCarthy for Chavez. If you give up McCarthy for a .220 hitting player in a down year with an ugly contract, you lose. EDIT: Just felt that I also needed to add that, IIRC, Beane made no mention of trading either Hudson or Mulder this past offseason, or he talked about how he would not break up the big 3. Look what happened.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:39 AM) http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/ml...t=.jsp&c_id=oak Sorry to burst your bubble, but there you go... rofl You seriously think he is telling the truth?

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 02:03 AM) they totally shut down a good padres team for their seventh win in a row. Could you slurp the Cubs cock a little more next time please? kthx

QUOTE(56789 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:36 PM) Yea but like 10 where people who made their first and only post saying they would be in the league and werent active at all John Van Benschoten loves joo

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:31 PM) I actually agree because when healthy, their pitching is as good as ours and their O is so much better. I actually think there is a chance we see an all Chicago WS this year. Call me crazy, but after the Bo Sox win last year, all bets are off now. How is their pitching better than ours? We have 5 guys in the rotation who have been sub-4 ERA pitchers this year, and 3 of them have been in the 3.00 range(Garland sub 3.00, Buehrle is at about 3.07, and Contreras is at 3.27). The Sox have had 2 elite relievers this year in Politte and Hermanson, 2 solid ones in Cotts and Marte, and two not-so-hawt relievers in Shingo and Vizcaino. The Cubs have had about no elite relievers this year whatsoever, and due to their bullpen struggles, they have lost several games that they should have won. Not only is all of the above true, but the White Sox also have a top 3 best pitching staff, statistically, in the AL. And when it comes to comparing offenses, you have to consider that not only are we not fully healthy offensively(with Thomas having been out every game except 1 thus far, with the exception of pinch hitting), but you also have to consider how many hitters are under their career average performances. Rowand is hitting worse than his career numbers, PK is, Dye is, Everett is, Crede is somehow managing to hit worse than his career numbers, and Uribe is as well. I count 6 hitters in the lineup hitting worse than average...that is 2/3rds of the lineup, which is a crazy amount to have hitting below average. You also have to consider that DLee has just been an absolute monster this year offensively, and that Neifi Perez is hitting over his head too, and that has a lot to do with their offense being as successful as it has been, and you realize that that argument holds very little ground. The topic is too subjective to be correctly analyzed with so many different variables being thrown into the equation at any given second. There is no argument that could be made for the Cubs being better than the Sox at all, because every argument can be countered with a pro Sox argument. Sox > Cubs

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QUOTE(The Critic @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 07:48 AM) Honestly, I can't possibly see that prediction coming true unless Lee gets hurt. As soon as I heard about the Cubs getting him, I thought "he'll hit 40+ for them for sure". Without his customary slow start, he's basically a lock for 40 or more. I look at it considering that Lee has almost always hit most of his homers in the first half of the year rather than the second - last year of course was an exception, but even last year, hitting 20 in the second half, he was considerably worse in the second half than the first half, putting up a .249 average and an .826 OPS to go along with those 20 homers. What IS scary to think about is that June has been the best month of his career. .312 33 96 .405/.590/.995 splits for June in his career.

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) anyways, is it possible for us just to have a soxtalk only OOTP league, that would be kinda cool We tried it once, and it did not work so hawt for some various reasons Another shot would not be a bad idea though

QUOTE(nvxplorer @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:53 AM) One-third into the season: 26 G 19.2 IP Last year: 74 G 73.2 IP Multiply this year's numbers by three, and you'll see Marte is on track to pitch four more games but less innings than last year. He is not being overused. How much of that is because Marte would walk 2, allow a hit, and only get 1 out before leaving the game? That is still a lot of pitches. I'd like to see how many batters he's faced over how many innings he has pitched.

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 12:34 AM) Also shenannigans... Agreed (cept I spelled it differently/wrong)

Lee has 17 homers now, correct? I gotta bold prediction - he won't hit 40.

Someone is f***ing around with you CC. You're not in the AL West.

On the topic of LH power hitters, and I almost hate to bring this up, but how about Jim Thome? You almost instantly have to fear roiding due to his poor numbers this year, but I very much doubt that is the case and that he has just had a rough go of it thus far. That being said, his contract gets ugly later on, which is yet another reason why Philly would trade him. He is much more tradeable in my mind than Abreu(Abreu being the better all around player, Philly having a young 1Bman in Howard in the minors who they have had for seemingly forever), and we'd be getting ourselves in the same sticky situation financially either way. Abreu tends to fit Ozzie's style better, but it would be near impossible to trade for Abreu, while it would be possible to get Thome. Also note that Abreu has a NTC, and Thome does not(though I'm not exactly positive how the 10/5 works...if it is 10 years in the league, and 5 years with the same team, even if not his current team, then Thome does). With the previous talk of Helton being thrown around, and talk of Abreu from the Phillies being thrown around, and both of them having ugly contracts...I just threw the s*** together and got Thome out of the whole thing. A little off-topic here - the Phillies are phucked phinancially(will not do again ) in the next few years if they do not do something. As of right now, they have $49.5 million committed to 4 players in '07($15 mill to Abreu, $14 mill to Thome, $13 mill to Burrell, and $7.5 mill to Lieber). I gotta feeling a bat will be heading out of Philly at the trade deadline this year if s*** does not get straightened out in a hurry over there, and I don't think it will.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 02:23 AM) Crede and Joey B. for Mackowiak. Let's dump our garbage on them. Hell, they let the Flubs do it to them. Why not us? I do think there is a difference though Ramirez was falling out of favor with Pittsburgh very quickly. IIRC, a bad attitude in the clubhouse, poor defense, though he was coming back with a solid year(.280 12 69 .778) after a miserable 2002(.234 18 71 .666), and he was heading into arbitration too. Lofton was an older veteran who was a FA at the end of the season...and then Simon, who they got later, was just coming off of the sausage-gate scandal, and they essentially wanted to get rid of him. While none of them were really hurting the team in any way, losing them would not hurt them much Mackowiak is currently helping the Pirates a lot, and has already hit arbitration, so they would really not be saving much money Wait a month and a half...Mack will probably have cooled off a little, the Pirates will have fallen further, and he could be more tradeable. Not to say I don't like Mackowiak, just that it might take more than garbage to get him at this point. And who knows, perhaps a better trade scenario will present itself later on.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ May 31, 2005 -> 11:00 PM) That brings up a good point, I would really have to think about this. To be honest, I am more peeved at extending his deal through 2009 than anything else. I'll definitly have to get back to you on that one though. That is my thing with all of this. You can question Ozzie's moves all you want to...because he makes boneheaded moves as a manager, but I doubt there is any other manager that has this team at 35-17, when push comes to shove.

QUOTE(chimpy2121 @ May 31, 2005 -> 10:49 PM) I cant believe Sosa isnt one of the leading OFers Should not be in green

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 31, 2005 -> 10:55 PM) Since this is a Chicago White Sox board... Mike Ditka, 52-0. For the s***s and giggles What would the scores of those games be?

QUOTE(redandwhite @ May 31, 2005 -> 10:36 PM) Ozzie may be this "glue" you speak of, but it most definitly isn't because his managerial skills. You are telling me something I have known since the first month of 2004. Ozzie, as far as making baseball moves, such as pinch hitting, using the bullpen, knowing when to take a pitcher out and when not to, and moves of that type, is horrible - probably one of the worst. But if he were a bad manager, not only would his contract not have been extended, but he would no longer be managing. The players love him, as he keeps the clubhouse loose, and the fans love him, because he is a lovable guy that is funny as hell. The reason a lot of sabermaticians/purists hate him is because he does not only manage by the book, but he also keeps on winning as manager of the White Sox with the stats not backing up why they are winning. Tell me though, if Guillen is such a horrible manager, who would you prefer managing this ballclub, and where would they be in the standings?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ May 31, 2005 -> 07:40 PM) Whoelse was great in their rookie years last year......hmmm, Shingo? WTF is your point? Shingo is a junkball reliever who can be adjusted to. Khalil Greene is a hitter who does not have a specialty that can make adjustments. Frank Thomas was also a rookie at some point, and so were Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Timo Perez, Juan Castro, Jack Wilson, Denny Hocking and however many other players there are in the league. If they are not a rookie, they have been at some point in time. Your point holds no ground.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ May 31, 2005 -> 10:28 PM) All five of you, please name the 3+ games that Ozzie has contributed to the win. There is nothing he does, move wise during the game, that translates into wins...only losses. However, do you honestly think the White Sox are 35-17 with a different manager at the helm? There is some glue that is holding this piece of s*** ship together, and it is not the talent of the players. hint: Ozzie = glue

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ May 31, 2005 -> 07:06 PM) I think the question in everyones mind right now is if there was to be a trade for a big hitter and the other team wanted either Sweeney or Anderson which one would be best to part with? Very hard question to answer. Anderson is essentially guaranteed production, while Sweeney is more of a project with a higher ceiling. As of right now, I'd probably propose Chris Young and Felix Diaz rather than either of them.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ May 31, 2005 -> 06:20 PM) The thought of Peavy in a Sox uniform pretty much gives me a boner but in the end, I probably don;t do this trade for a few reasons: 1) Hoffman, while still good, has a large contract and up there in age 2) Greene has fallen off the face of the earth 3) Buehrle has been pitching EXTREMELY well lately but getting bad luck 4) McCarthy and Anderson are our future 1) Hoffman is in the last year of his deal and is making $5 mill. 2) .248 4 23 .665 VS .282 3 18 .830. Guess who is who 3) If by bad luck you are referring to him not getting wins in his past 2 starts when he could have gotten wins, you are correct. That is not unlucky, because wins mean very little, if anything at all. We have won those past 2 games that he has pitched in, and that's all that matters to me, quite frankly. Matter of fact, the Sox are 9-2 in Buehrle starts this year. I will take that any day of the week. That is really not unlucky whatsoever. 4) While McCarthy is looked at right now as the future ace of the rotation, I would honestly not be surprised to see Anderson in a different uniform by the end of the year. I realize odds of this are small, but with both Rowand and Podsednik looking very solid for the Sox, and both being relatively young(Rowand is 27, 28 in August; Podsednik turned 29 in March), with Sweeney, Young, and Owens coming up, it would not be out of reason to think that KW could look to get a stud hitter at the deadline (an Abreu-type hitter). Given, he could also not look to giving up 2-3 very solid prospects, including Anderson, to try and get a stud, while keeping Anderson and having a solid OFer come up within the system.

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