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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) Sounds like Butler is the prima donna to me. fo sho

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 01:41 PM) We are more than halfway through August, hasn't that time hit yet? Other teams may start to lose interest or take a backup option? Especially now that one of your core OFs has returned to the lineup. It could also be that the Sox are looking at this similar to the 2009 season where they shipped Thome off to Los Angeles and Contreras off to Colorado right before the deadline to teams they're very sure will make the playoffs and they utlimately do get jack squat back for both players (unless the returns of Justin Fuller and Brandon Hynick got you warm in your giblets).

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) I saw a rumor of Adam Dunn to Seattle for Lucas Luetge (spelling). Sorry if that's already been posted. Yes, that would suffice. http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/p...id=luetge001luc He was, coincidentally or not, drafted by the Sox both in 2005 (31st round) and in 2006 (18th round).

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 01:23 PM) Sorry, mistyped. I don't think they are comfortable with ADA as the backup CF. I wouldn't be. They need someone on the roster who is a capable backup CF. This is my biggest concern with bringing De Aza back, but I also don't think he is a valueless player. That's the hardest part - at what point do you just say "we'll take the stuff you're offering" instead of getting absolutely nothing? I imagine these are the kinds of offers they have for Dunn and De Aza and it's just hard to accept those when your back isn't up against the wall. Come September 1st, I honestly do not expect either De Aza or Dunn to be on the White Sox roster.

I might just post this article in like 3 different spots. I just started reading it and it's so relevant to so much that we've talked about on here that it feels like someone on here asked Dave Cameron about Alex Gordon and he wrote this article. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/so-lets-tal...ut-alex-gordon/ Specifically:

I think people hear the phrase rubber bullet and think of like NERF guns, air-soft guns, BB guns, or pellet guns. That's not quite the case. They are typically non-lethal, though being hit in a prone area could definitely lead to something far more serious, but they are nothing to be messed with. I imagine it's a bit like being hit by a softball moving at 70-80 MPH.

Rubber bullets are virtually the same thing as real bullets, but instead of being metal (which pierce and tear), they are coated in rubber and not intended to penetrate the skin. Per wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 10:57 AM) Actually, I agree with everything he said. However, my point of view is that Reinsdorf is acting in the best long term interest of MLB. A salary cap and floor like the other leagues is the best way to keep the league viable in the future. While Manfred has done many good things for baseball, he has avoided this topic because he knows it will create a work stoppage. I don't see this changing and it could cause financial problems down the road. I did read the article and it wasn't bad, but good journalists do not open an article like this: You're a professional jounalist, you can think of a better word to use there.

Also, I get caught up in K rates, but so long as you have command and can locate, pitching to weak contact early in the at bat is a very good thing. Shoulder problems eventually derailed him, but Roy Halladay did the same thing and he was a workhorse for years and years. He had the stuff and ability to strike a lot of guys out, but he kept pounding the strikezone with really good pitches. A lot of times, the first pitch you got in the at bat was the best you were going to see, even if it wasn't a good pitch to hit, and you swung at it a lot of times hoping to do something with it. I keep making these comparisons of the Sox prospects to these all time greats, but it's primarily just to show these examples exist. I do not expect Beck to turn into Halladay (more along the lines of a Jon Garland, about a league average pitcher), just saying that there is precedent for his philosophy working.

There is a lot of Jon Garland to Chris Beck's repertoire and approach. That's not a bad thing.

Murray Chass is an insufferable nitwit who needs to go away. Also, related, to show how much of a troll Chass has become: http://deadspin.com/murray-chass-is-everyt...ll-o-1493277221 I'm not even going to bother reading the article. Chass can pound sand.

QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 08:47 AM) Do cops not carry tasers anymore either? QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 05:19 PM) And let me talk about the taser for a minute. Obviously it's a non-issue in this case, as he didn't have one. But tasers are not this magical instrument people seem to think they are. Both prongs have to make a connection for it to even work. Clothing often causes a disconnect. And at a distance, there is even more separation between the two prongs. At 35 feet, which is longer than a ton of tasers, if one prong connects, the other is more than likely hitting the cement or going through or to the side of the legs. Hitting a moving target with a taser is also incredibly difficult. And the "mace", while painful, is routinely powered through by angry people.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 05:53 PM) Are you serious? What proof do we have of this? Even good pitchers turn to crud. Look at Peavy this year. The minute you sign a Scherzer to that, he can tweak an arm in an instant or lose velocity or whatever. I don't care about Jerry's money and wouldn't freak if they pay him, I just don't see it. And a lot of times, good pitchers remain good pitchers. With a pitcher as good and talented as Scherzer, almost every team would take a chance on Scherzer at 4 years and $100 mill because they can simply hope to win a division and move on to the playoffs or they can hope he remains healthy enough that they can deal him after 2 or 3 years and pick up a few prospects. I think you will see a similar situation to the Burnett, Tanaka, and Sabathia contracts - 6-7 years with a player opt out after 3 or 4 years.

35 feet is approximately 12 yards. This is crazy, but consider 10 yard splits in the NFL combine - even guys at 350 pounds will run 10 yard splits in the 2 second range. So, if Michael Brown goes from a standstill to a full charge, you have to figure the officer has, at most, 2.5-3 seconds to make a decision. If he thinks this guy is going to tackle and pound him to a bloody pulp, he has about one option. The actions afterward by the police department have been apalling, but this is why I've tried to stay out until more details have come out. Maybe it's made up or fabricated, but with incomplete information, it's just as bad to jump to conclusions.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 04:11 PM) If they can find guys like McHugh, Harrell and Humber on waivers, it's going to take a lot more than we're willing to give up. They'd ask for something like Montas or Danish and Hawkins for Appel. Of course, they're not going to get it, but everyone's seen the crazy trade proposals and what they were trying to get in return. I doubt a lot of MLB teams are different. Start out asking for one thing. If you ask for a mid level prospect right away, teams will only be willing to give you lesser amounts. This is how they negotiate.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 03:51 PM) Same thing with former White Sox Carlos Torres against the Cubs today. He actually pitched yesterday late in relief, but had to take the emergency start as apparently Bartolo Colon's mother is gravelly ill. Kudos for persevering....he stuck with it, went to Japan for awhile and now he's back in the big leagues. Really good kid, well liked by his teammates from everything I've read. I always really liked what Torres brought to the table. I was a little sad to see that he left for Japan. I always thought he'd be a nice arm to have in the pen. I also thought Sean Tracey would be a good arm in the pen. I'm not always right.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 02:16 PM) Well, if they have Chris Davis why do they want Adam Dunn? Are they going to release Davis? I just simply cannot see a GM sticking his neck out to acquire Adam Dunn, whose tenure in Chicago has been a disaster. If I'm wrong I'll be proven wrong. Chris Davis has been terrible this year, as I just pointed out. A 1-24 is not going to kill them. He's also not very damn likely to do that and you know it. He's just as likely to go 12-24 with 4 homers. You do not like Adam Dunn. We realize this. You can also look at things objectively.

BTW, greg, you refer to Adam Dunn's penchant for doing nothing but striking out, walking, and hitting home runs and how it can destroy a clubhouse and a lineup's production while those same exact Orioles employ a guy putting up a .195/.298/.400/.698 line while striking out 34.1% of the time (147 times) and walking at 11.6% (50 times). Considering Dunn's .229/.353/.446 with superior walk and strike out rates, I'd say he's been a better player than Chris Davis this year, yet the Orioles are magically in first place still. Imagine that.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 01:51 PM) Baltimore will want no part of Dunn. There are intangibles involved. He should be nowhere near a playoff team. Too risky. He could get in one of those strikeout streaks and buzzkill a team's whole offense. I stand by the fact he will finish this season as a Sox. You seem to know Adam intimately. Do you know what it is about him that makes him so destructive to a team's morale that they'd want no part of him?

If you can bring him back for around $5 million, I have no problem with his as a left handed outfield bat. It'd be nice if he played a better CF or was more comfortable out there, but if they can't get anything, there's no harm in keeping him. It's hard to do worse in that LH bat, 4th OFer role.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 12:21 PM) I would rather see Jared Mitchell than a declining Markakis at that price. It's about as logical as signing Curtis Granderson was last offseason. Well, Curtis Granderson was going to cost a 2nd round pick. There was a lot of speculation that Granderson was a big Sox target until the Yankees made the QO. EDIT: I also may have indicated otherwise, but Granderson is a guy I'd consider if it didn't cost the Sox really anything in terms of prospects. But if they are asking for really anyone in the top 20, I'd want no part of it.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 12:10 PM) Not a top 25 White Sox prospect according to mlb.com Seriously. I mean, Andy Wilkins didn't get a lot of love from us at FutureSox because he's 26, but we understand that he can hit. But Ravelo? This is a guy who is 22 years old hitting .318/.397/.491 at AA and showing ever increasing power. I don't want to go all crazy talk, and I'm not outright making this comparison, but at similar ages, Ravelo and Votto were putting up similar numbers. Votto walked and struck out more (so more good and bad), but they do have similar bodies of work at this point (including height and build). Like I said, I don't want people to think that I'm saying Ravelo is the next Votto, but there's a lot of reason for optimism.

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 16, 2014 -> 09:16 PM) Oh you mean like you and Dez Bryant lololol amirite FOP and witesoxfan HAY DID U GUYZ HEAR BRANDON MARSHALL IS BEST RECEIVER IN THE LEAGUE

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 09:47 AM) Even next year he will be on an inning limit. Right, but he'll still be starting games.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 09:42 AM) You will know by how many innings/pitches they allow him in his AAA starts. If he is still limited to 60 pitches or 3 innings, he will not start games this year, he will be in the pen. Right, I'm referencing next year. This year, for all intents and purposes, won't matter come September, so I'm guessing he'll come up and work 2-4 innings at a time, perhaps even on some kind of schedule still.