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Bringing in Ethier is still going to cost the Sox money and puts them in a similar or worse position than they were in with Dunn. I understand that he was stimulating conversation, but part of conversation can be people saying "no, that is a very bad idea." And trading for Ethier, with the Sox in their current position, is a very bad idea.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 05:33 PM) What the hell are we waiting for? Get the deal done Hahn! I honestly can't tell if you are serious or just a troll, but it has been pointed out on several occasions that Tanaka has literally nothing to gain and a lot to lose by signing early and that the odds are very small that it actually happens.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jan 17, 2014 -> 09:18 AM) I would laugh so hard if in the end Tanaka said screw this and resigned with his old team the Golden Eagles and left everyone holding their pricks with their jaws on the ground. Tanaka would have to be absolutely stone cold stupid to do that. They most he's going to get in Japan is like $8 mill a year.

Kellen Winslow was jerkin it Yes, "looking for Boston Market" is incredible and what I am going to call jacking off from now on. That's really the only reason I'm posting this.

He will also sign in the day or the night.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 10:36 PM) The writing has been on the wall for a while that the Bears were going to switch to a 3-4 defense or at least some hybrid of it when Emery was hired. He hired a head coach who ran a 3-4 in Canada, and Emery did do his best work in Kansas City getting guys that fit their 3-4 scheme and we saw how good that defense was with the right coaching. Looking at his drafts with the Bears, you saw a lot more 3-4 guys than tampa cover 2 guys. McClellian was definitely considered more of a LB type than a 4-3 rush DE even in a tampa 2 scheme. Hardin was a big physical corner who didn't fit into the mold of a cover 2 corner. Bostic wasn't a tampa 2 MLB, he's much more of a FILB in a 3-4 scheme because of his ability to run down hill and take on blockers. Greene was actually a good fit as a WILL in the tampa 2, but the WILL and the BILB in the 3-4 are very similar to because in the 3-4, the field ILB takes on the blockers to allow the boundary ILB to run around and make plays. However, I do kind of hope the Bears stick with a 4-3 base but mix in a lot of different looks and play plenty of 3-4. I believe the Bears are the only franchise in the NFL to have never been a 3-4 team. Besides, I really hate the bubbles the 3-4 defense provides and I prefer the 3-4 really only in pass rushing situations to f*** with OLine protection rules and disguising where the 4th rusher or the blitz is coming from. Personally, I love the 2 gap 4-3 scheme the Seahawks run. It's very similar to the 3-4 where you have 3 down lineman who eat up blockers and 2 undersized DE's but oversized LB's on the edge (one stand up, one with his hand in the dirt in the Seahawks scheme). I'm sorry, I can go on for days about this stuff. Either way, I like the hire of Paul Pasqualini, even if he might not be a very good collegiate HC. Whomever they hire as the DLine coach should probably give us a better indication of what type of scheme will be ran. I'm gonna guess it was someone with a background in both 4-3 and 3-4 schemes as I'm definitely thinking hybrid is the way the Bears are going. So basically you want a hybrid defense. You don't get Mike Pettine.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 17, 2014 -> 02:07 AM) The last thing we need here is people rioting when Tanaka signs somewhere else, thinking that we were right there in the thick of it. I'm pretty sure that's how you get cancer. Nobody is going to riot. Anybody actually expecting the Sox to get Tanaka is crazy enough already. They have a legitimate chance to sign him but they likely will be outbid, and in the end, that's perfectly fine.

Where would the Sox play Ethier? They have a logjam in the outfield right now as well and adding Ethier to that mix is doing no one any favors. Plus he's 32 and, as mentioned, has 4 years left on his deal. Let them suffer their own fate.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 17, 2014 -> 08:09 AM) I will take "Things I dont think about, but Wite thinks about" for $2000, Alex The Mars rover will draw this many penises in the sand before coming to a halt. "What is at least 1?"

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 11:15 PM) If I may ask real quick: is there any legit chance we end up signing him? I don't have time to read through 67 pages :-/ Yes, but they are not the favorites.

He's probably a good lay. I mean, if he can bag Dergan, he's doing something right.

Again, until pen hits paper, most of this is smoke blowing.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 07:28 PM) .289 RISP is acceptable. As for clutch, aside from his Yankees walk-off, I don't recall a De Aza moment as clutch as either the Pods Dodgers walk-off or Game 2. Podsednik is also faster and a better base stealer. And this is why we keep track of stats. You don't believe De Aza is clutch, but the numbers indicate otherwise. Frankly, I'd love De Aza on my team as a 6 or 7 hitter. He doesn't seem to embrace the leadoff mentality, but he has enough power to be a force lower in the lineup.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 04:33 PM) I think he was getting at the fact that, on net, the Sox lose $25k. Not that it matters a ton. It still surprises me they didn't just trade for the guy. I just don't see anyone who has never played above A ball being able to stick all year. And if he is there as a bench guy, why did you bother? And what kind of development does he get out of that anyway? The only reason I can think of they did this, is that they wanted to trade for him but WAS asked for the world for him. Which makes no sense to me, since they didn't even protect him on the 40 man roster. I think it's a little more complicated than that. They would have had to have known that Nieto was the guy they wanted prior to the Rule 5 draft deadline, and then they would have had to have known that Washington wasn't going to protect him or that they didn't feel highly about him. I think they went into the process feeling like they wanted to take a catcher no matter what and merely went about scouting these guys and felt that Nieto was the best overall player out of that group. Had the Sox traded for him prior to the Rule 5 draft, then someone can just re-claim him and then the Sox are SOL.

FWIW, FGs does include bWAR on their website under the name RA9-WAR. They obviously value it and sabermaticians value it just the same, but they are merely two different, independent, important statistics.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 02:06 PM) http://grantland.com/features/grantland-fa...goodells-inbox/ Roger Goodell's inbox. God I love those.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 02:23 PM) Red Sox didn't meet with him, Angels didn't meet with him, Rangers are at their ceiling. Now people are just pulling stuff out their ass. We have no idea what the Red Sox are doing though. They didn't meet with him, but it doesn't mean they didn't bid on him. Maybe they've seen enough, or they want to throw everyone off their trail. These odds mean absolutely nothing too. Again, I'm not paying attention to anything until about the 23rd.

Just so you guys don't think I'm all about WAR... WAR does have its limitations. WAR falls short sometimes because it doesn't tell you what a player actually did, just how valuable they were. You have to consider the context to make any sense of it. If I said Joe Blow had a WAR of 5.3 and Greg Leg had a WAR of 4.8, you can't tell me anything about either player.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) Yes, if the White Sox want to take him off the roster, they lose him and send a $25k check to Washington as penance. Washington sends the $25k check.

Davone Bess smokes weed WHO KNEW

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 12:32 AM) So Kershaw will have to average a 5-6 WAR every year for the remainder of the contract to be worth it. He has averaged about 5.5 so far in his first 5 full seasons. So he will have to be the same pitcher for the next 7 years. It's possible, but it requires him to be healthy throughout. That will be the question mark. This is not quite true. Due to inflationary reasons, we can make a safe assumption that teams will pay more for WAR as the contract goes on. By the end, teams may be paying $6.5-7 mill for 1 WAR.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 11:21 AM) Wow. Well then, they're screwed. Ben Badler says they aren't in the top 10. s*** can Ben Badler say the White Sox are going to trade for Miguel Cabrera? Please??

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 11:19 AM) You're last paragraph nailed it. In the original thread (which I had not looked up anything beyond that), someone said Leury would easily be a 2.0 WAR player, which is where this is all coming from. Yeah, easily isn't exactly right (even if it was me who said it). He has to hit a little bit. If he hits .250/.300/.350, which I certainly think is doable but is absolutely not a given, he's probably a 2 WAR player because of how good he is supposedly is defensively. It was the same thing with Eduardo Escobar when he was here.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) I don't follow your thought. They'll get rid of Flowers if they can't acquire Nieto outright. What am I missing here? QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 16, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) If they keep Nieto he has to stay on the roster all year. Meaning it would most likely be He and Phegley. Flowers would have to go. If they could acquire Nieto rather than using him as a Rule 5 selection, they could send him to the minors and keep Flowers if they wanted to. Yeah, this. I think the organization knows what it has in Flowers, it only cost $1 mill to keep him, and he'll have "value" to other teams, though the Sox likely wouldn't get anything worthwhile back. I think they are going to want to keep Nieto regardless. If they can't and do get rid of Flowers, they still have Hector Gimenez in the minors ready for a call up at any time.