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This reminds me of Thomas coming back. It's like "Hey Kenny and Frank sure do hate each other, and look at which one is still here." And then they brought Frank back...to be an analyst. So yeah, Ozzie comes back even though "He and Kenny sure did hate each other!" And so now Ozzie can help out with the SAP broadcast

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 03:48 PM) Are we talking about the same Beckham? I am talking baseball not soccer Gordo madean absolutely great play on Sunday an showed exceptional range. And for most of the year, he showed sub-standard range and overall sub par play in the field. I don't think you even risk tendering Beckham. Trade him for a "lottery ticket" and call it a day

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 04:02 PM) He can finally drive drunk in peace. Thank god.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 03:51 PM) So when does Guillen come back? 2015? Robin seems to have been confirmed for 2014. I wonder where Tony Larussa fits in here Tony LaRussa is going to turn 69 on Friday. That means he'll be 70 next year. He managed 33 years in a row. I'm sure he's enjoying the time he has to himself at this point in his life.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 03:44 PM) What do you guys think of Decker (me) for Josh Gordon and mcfadden handcuff. I have Welker as well and have been thinking about diversifying before bye week. Gordon is way more valuable than Eric Decker.

If the Indians are lucky enough to win tonight, I don't believe they'll win more than 1 in the ALDS

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 03:13 PM) I still wonder if Zimmerman or Rondon would be available from Washington. Are they playing Rondon at 2B instead? Yes because Danny Espinosa sucks. Rendon performed pretty damn well there too in a small sample.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 01:27 PM) I don't even know why Gillaspie is an option. He's just a body. He's not a good fielder and he's a blah hitter, mediocre at very best. Why is he a White Sox option for anything? Because the White Sox have about 10 to 12 question marks throughout the team and he's one of the smaller question marks because we know he is adequate with the glove and that he has had some success against right handed pitching plus he's cost controlled and can be effective. If he actually progresses, like most young hitters do, and improves his approach all around next year, he is likely to put up .270/.330/.420/.750 against right handers and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could put up .275/.350/.450/.800. If you pair that with Keppinger, and he gets back to being a .300/.350/.450 guy against lefties, you suddenly have a formidable platoon at 3B.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 12:19 PM) I hope the Tigers keep Rick Porcello. It makes them a worse team. Rick Porcello's 1st and 2nd half splits and peripherals 1st: .271/.308/.400/.708, 7.25 K/9, 1.72 BB/9, 1 HR/9, 57.3 GB%, 22.7 FB%, 3.51 FIP 2nd: .263/.322/.388/.710, 7.18 K/9, 2.67 BB/9, 0.81 HR/9, 52.6 GB%, 25 FB%, 3.55 FIP And here are Rick Porcello's 1st and 2nd half ERAs 1st: 4.80 ERA 2nd: 3.71 ERA So, what you are telling me is that you believe a strong sinker ball pitcher who strikes guys out makes his team worse because he got unlucky in the 1st half of the year. They won't get tired of him, and they will retain him, and he is probably going to be their 4th or 5th best starter, and if you could somehow transplant him to the White Sox pitching staff, he'd be, minimum, the 3rd best starting pitcher they have and could easily be the 2nd best.

I quietly hope and pray that Rick Porcello gets non-tendered, as he'd be a great candidate to pick up. Edinson Volquez is another that would be worth a flyer on about a non-guaranteed contract, and Shaun Marcum would be a solid pick up too on a minor league deal, so long as he proves he's healthy. In fact, I bet the Pirates will sign Edinson Volquez next year. I will bet 2 internet dollars on it

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 10:43 AM) Anyone who can hit and get on base, and actually run the bases with a Pony League IQ, makes sense for the White Sox. If anyone goes with trends, unless they are in a total rebuild, usually went the Sox have a season as dissappointing as this, they snap back the next year with a decent team. 1977,1985, (1987-1989 total rebuild) 1996,2000,2008. They have to speed up the process when they have a guy like Sale in place. It would be silly having him on the roster for 3 or 4 more meaningless seasons and not just because he might get injured, but because any and all pitchers might get injured. 3 or 4 or 5 years from now, it's possible he tails off. I understand and generally agree with this. What I'm saying is that, when looking at this list, who are you going to commit significant money to long term? (and keep in mind that the list is a little outdated as both Pence and Utley have signed extensions)

Torrey Smith: http://deadspin.com/torrey-smith-and-his-w...-ann-1433988568

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 10:21 AM) Fornelli ‏@SouthSideAsylum 22m Of all position players to play in at least 50 games, six had a negative WAR. The worst was Keppinger at -2.0. Paulie finished at -1.5. Alexei Ramirez was the only position player worth more than 1.0 WAR. Alex Rios was at 1.0 exactly. Then Beckham at 0.8. Of position players to finish the season with the White Sox, Marcus Semien was third on the team in WAR. At 0.6. Won't miss you, 2013. This is bWAR Sox leaders in fWAR: Ramirez - 3.1 De Aza - 2.2 Rios - 2.0 Beckham - 1.0 Gillaspie - 0.7 Gimenez - 0.2 Semien - 0.1 Wise - 0.1 JorDanks - 0.0 That's all the Sox had for non-negative fWARs offensively (minus pitchers as hitters)

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 10:25 AM) I would be more than a little Angry if the white sox do not spend $100 million this offseason given that they knocked their payroll down below $50 million right now. Honestly, I think the only two guys that make a lot of sense for the Sox right now are Abreu and McCann (or maybe Saltalamacchia). I think the most I go is probably 7/$70 for Abreu, 4/$60 for McCann, and 4/$40 for Saltalamacchia. Really, if they don't get 2 out of those 3, can you really find anybody that they should spend signficant money on over the course of mulitple years?

QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 09:26 AM) They should all be back. Even if we bring in a guy like Granderson, I expect the rest to stay. You can't have too much depth, and frankly, having all those guys on the team will give Ventura a lot of creativity in setting his lineup.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 08:32 AM) In 2005, the Tigers finished 28 games behind the White Sox and added Kenny Rogers to their staff. In 2006 they played in the World Series. Turnarounds can be done quickly, especitally when you have good pitchers in place, a couple of potentially good hitters, and a lot of money to burn. The last time the Sox had a season as bad as this one, or almost as bad was 1976. They had no money to spend, yet 1977 was a fun year with 90 wins. Last offseason, we really didn't find out much about Rick Hahn. This offseason, it will be exactly the opposite. As bad as this season was, White Sox news-wise this winter should be a lot of fun. Last winter was kind of boring. While I appreciate your example of the Sox quick turnarounds, I think I have a better, more recent one. The last time the White Sox had a season about this bad was 2007. They won the division in 2008.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 09:07 PM) It seems like both the Indians and the Red Sox went from worst (or close t worst) in the al this year. You know those are the extreme outliers in this situation. And, on top of that, both spent well over $100 million in free agency to get there.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 08:53 PM) On a 99 loss team and WORST baserunner in the league. Goodbye ADA I'm guessing you're just saying bye to him for the season because, barring the Sox getting good trade value for him, he's gonna be back next year. QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 09:09 PM) Not even close -- he was a +3.5 runner by UBR (EDIT: which is a stat that factors everything, including taking extra bases on singles and the like), an above average figure that was third best on the team behind Ramirez and Rios. That includes 20 SB at 71% success rate, which is just above the line for positive value added in SB/CS. Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument, come on man, everyone knows that. LOL QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 10:41 PM) Beckham has it made because he's a former No. 1 draft pick, eighth overall. Sox PROBABLY will let him be mediocre a SIXTH straight season maybe even give him a 7th before finally dumping him. I mean there's probably a small chance he might emerge (it took Alex Gordon a while), but for sure Beckham gets a break cause the Sox made a big mistake in drafting him that high. Another overvalued college hitting star who couldn't adjust. There is no logic in most of this. He's probably going to get a 6th chance because the Sox drafted him high and no high draft pick has ever flamed out and he might come through but he probably won't so let's give him just one more because it's not like they have anyone better to go to even though they do. I'd give Beckham a 10% chance at coming back, and that's only because he's a good clubhouse presence and seems to be in the good graces of a few fans. KONERKO WAS THE BIGGEST REASON THE WHITE SOX LOST GAMES THIS YEAR. Forget your agenda about Dunn, look at things objectively and you will see that the two biggest reasons the White Sox lost games this year was because of Paul Konerko and Jeff Keppinger. Adam Dunn is so far down that list that it's not even worth having this debate, yet White Sox fans need some sort of scape goat and "no way could it be Paully, he hit that home run in the World Series almost 10 f'ing years ago, he can play every year for as long as he wants and he'll never be at fault for anything!" This isn't a beer league softball team, we have statistics that indicate who are the worst players in the league, and Paul Konerko was one of the worst players in the league. Adam Dunn is no where close to the bottom of that list. He's just incredibly out of place at 1B. So you just admitted that you're incredibly biased. And that you remember history wrong, because this team was a monstrosity of a collapse away from going to the playoffs last year - and that was on EVERYBODY, though I'm sure you believe it just to be Dunn. Dunn was one of the few productive hitters on this year's team, yet you fail to see that and only see that they lost, even though Dunn did everything in his power to help the team win. There were about 20 other players on this team deserving of blame, but you are placing it on Dunn because "you see L after L" when in reality that's on Konerko and Keppinger and Axelrod and Beckham and Viciedo just as much if not more so than Dunn. The worst thing is that I really don't even like Dunn that much any more. He's a platoon player at this point and should never play against lefties again. But, if this team has any shot to win next year, they absolutely need Dunn somewhere in the middle of the lineup 3-6...preferably 6, but he needs to be there. If/when they let him go after next season, cool, whatever, that's fine. If they have him there, and they lose next year, then I bet it's not because Adam Dunn "struck out and TOOK R JERBS" but instead because it's not a very good team. That's an incredibly provocative thought, isn't it?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 1, 2013 -> 07:45 AM) Sunday's Chargers/Raiders game moved to a 8:35 PM Pacific kickoff time due to the stadium prep after the A's playoff games Friday/Saturday night. That's gonna end at 3 AM on the East Coast. Why does it take ~24 hours to prep the stadium? I get that there is a metric f***ton of work involved, but you'd think with enough staff and paying overtime, they could get that done in about 12 hours and ready to play by 4 PT Oh yeah...stupid blackout rules.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 10:27 AM) I'm up 116-77 and he had Colston and Sproles going tonight in a PPR. I feel confident but deep down I just have a feeling that he's going to end up getting like 42 combined out of them. Needless to say, I lost 0-4 this year, and I have lost by 2, 6, 7, and 7 /sob story

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 04:06 PM) SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter 2h Indians manager Terry Francona, when asked about his team's strong finish to the season: "We stayed away from chicken and beer." At least he can joke about it

The team and person who Verducci modeled his theory after is Rick Peterson, who was then pitching coach for the A's. He went to the Mets and the Brewers thereafter and is now basically the head pitching instructor for the Baltimore Orioles. Verducci raved about how Peterson was handling top pitching prospect Dylan Bundy because they shut him down and this and that and whatever. Of course, as we all know, Bundy needed Tommy John surgery come Spring Training.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 04:01 PM) Crain got put on the 60 day DL today. Marc Topkin ‏@TBTimes_Rays 26m #Rays call up OF Kevin Kiermaier to add defense with Jennings limited. Crain to 60-day DL He will not pitch for the Rays

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 03:07 PM) Yes, I think the ship has sailed on Beckham, Viciedo and DeAza. Replace all 3 please. Beckham is as bad as Getz IMO. Five home runs? What a head case. Seemed like Gordon had talent, but he and his many different batting stances are done. Beckham is the only player I think the Sox should replace, and that's simply because they have a player that I believe is a better option. If they keep Beckham and Semien opens the year at SS or 3B or even in the minors, I wouldn't mind. Oh, and Getz is one of the worst hitters in the major leagues. In 1546 career plate appearances at the MLB level, Getz has career splits of .251/.310/.309/.619 with 3 home runs. Seriously Greg, look at the f***ing numbers before you make ridiculous assertions like this.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 30, 2013 -> 02:28 PM) It's obviously going to be on a case-by-case basis. There is no magic number that applies to every team, because they all will have different expectations based on the team and the context of the season, but GENERALLY I would say any team that contends for a playoff spot for most the year, especially towards the end of the season would be considered to have a good year. The 2012 White Sox had a good year. The 2013 White Sox had a terrible year, but a productive one in the end. You never want to be somewhere in the middle. Productive is a far better word to use. All the same, I'd rather go into the year with 81-83 win team talent wise than 73-75 win. Baseball has so much variability that you can get hot at end up winning 90 games and earning a playoff birth, like the Indians did this year. I won't say they were lucky, and I won't say their team isn't good, but that team didn't look good coming into the year and they had some guys step up and have really big years for them, including Ubaldo and Salazar. That's why it's nice to have even average talent - you can upgrade your team either with trades or through your minor league system and something might click and then you end up winning a lot of games. If the Sox had a little more depth down the stretch last year, they probably would have won the division, but without trading for Youkilis, Liriano, and Myers, I doubt that team even ends up above .500.