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QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 05:03 PM) The guys he's competing against clearly are better or have better track records. With his repertoire, he profiles better as a 6th starter anyways. If we need an emergency starter, he or Beck will get the call from Triple A. I actually really liked what I saw from Surkamp out of the pen.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) I love those quotes, so what happens if they do not? Nothing. And I'd be very, very surprised if they won the division.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 10:34 PM) Is "absolutely phenomenal" really the correct verbage? Adams was nothing special last year, and while Danish has been good, he's still at WS. Let's hold off on absolutely phenomenal for now. Yes, "absolutely phenomenal" is correct. Adams and Danish are both probably top 5 prospects in a rapidly improving system.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 01:13 PM) Source tells me Kyle Shanahan is high on drugs for being eager Wasn't Shanny the OC in Denver when Cutler was at his best?

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 12:26 PM) I say retire. He's not going to retire. It would be nice if he stayed in the Sox organization. He plays good defense and is a good base runner. Those guys aren't impossible to find, but they're nice to have on hand as opposed to needing to look for them.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) Worth pointing out that Buehrle would've won a Cy Young or two pitching for the Braves in the 90s too... Context matters. How do you figure? Because pitching for the Braves was some golden ticket to winning Cy Youngs? The years Glavine won the Cy Young, his ERAs were 2.55 and 2.47. I love FIP to death, and his FIPs during those years weren't bad, but there's something to be said about keeping runs off the board, even if it's "lucky."

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 12:27 PM) If Peyton is going to go anywhere at his age, he needs to go to a warm weather/indoor team. I'd love to see what he could do in Arizona. I don't know the exact parameters of the contract, but they just signed Palmer to a sizable contract extension. The Bears owe Cutler a lot of guaranteed money the next two years too, so that doesn't seem plausible. Frankly, if he were to leave Denver, the only teams that I think would potentially make sense for Peyton would be St. Louis, Buffalo, and maybe Cleveland or Cincinnati. If Stan Kroenke is trying to leverage the Rams into a new stadium or a deal in LA, I don't know that Peyton in a win it all move makes a lot of sense. Cleveland makes some sense, but I also don't know that it's a good enough situation where he'd consider that sort of thing. Mike Brown is notoriously cheap, so while getting rid of Dalton and signing Peyton makes sense on paper, it won't happen. That leaves Buffalo. Even being the homer I am, I'd say there's about a 1% chance of that happening. I'd say it's Denver 65%, retirement 33%, Buffalo 1%, the field 1%.

Tom Glavine also won the Cy Young award twice, twice finished 2nd, and twice finished 3rd. That's 6 seasons where he was considered by the voters to be one of the 3 best pitchers in the league. Buehrle's highest finish was 5th in 2005. That's a significant difference. Personally though, I think Buehrle does merit some consideration for the Hall of Fame. He's currently 83rd all time in fWAR for pitchers at 51.8. A 2.5 fWAR season puts him at 72nd all time, ahead of guys like Carl Hubbell, Tommy Bridges, and Javier Vazquez (yes), while a 3 fWAR season moves him ahead of Billy Pierce and Luis Tiant for 70th all time. Using ERA as our basis for WAR (bWAR or RA9-WAR), he's currently 86th at 59.2, 0.1 behind CC Sabathia. A 3 bWAR season puts him at 62.2, tied with Frank Tanana and just behind Andy Pettitte. He's not going to win a major pitching award at this point, but he'll get 200 wins and it's certainly possible that, if he pitched another 3-4 years, he could conceivably end up around the 60 fWAR area and the 65 bWAR area, and I think, to some extent, that diminishes his ability to hold runners on base and prevent runners from stealing as well as his fielding prowess. Not sure if I think he is a Hall of Famer or not, but his career isn't over. I think he'll remain on the ballot for a few years but will ultimately fall short. Perhaps I'm wrong.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) This. If anything his performance to contract ratio has the debt as Dunn owes the Sox. Well, no. 2011 was obviously a disaster, but we really shouldn't or couldn't have expected more than he gave the Sox in 2012, 2013, and 2014. If the Sox gave me $10 million a year to be a power hitter in the middle of the lineup, and I went out and hit .005/.008/.008 (which is 3 for 600 with 2 HBP and a ball I sliced down the right field line which somehow ended up as a triple, much the same as Paul Konerko got an inside the park home run), should I owe anything to the White Sox? They were misguided in their attempt to fill a hole and I produced as expected. Adam Dunn doesn't owe the Sox anything and he accomplished exactly what should have been expected of him (again, outside of 2011).

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 09:49 PM) Any chance Scherzer would take a 1 year deal if it was worth about 25-35% more on a per year basis than what he'd get in a long term deal? I don't think so. There's too much risk involved in a 1 year deal, $35 million deal from Scherzer's point of view than there is in a 7 years, $175 million deal, which I think he can still get.

Well really, Doug Marrone didn't beat the Packers, Mario Williams beat the Packers.

I am actually really excited about this. Crazy to think that he's going to be 33 to start the season.

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QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 10:01 AM) and his strikeouts still vastly outnumbered his walks. This is true of 99% of players in the majors.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 12:30 PM) And we have learned over the years that the line up that starts opening day is usually the one that is there game 162. You are still taking a shot Viciedo figures it out. I still think he will get traded, but there is at least as much of a chance he will help you win in 2015 as there was with any of the 3 guys I mentioned, when no one seemed to have a problem with the Sox spending $9 million on that crap. As Balta mentioned, I think there are some differences in the money allocated last year as opposed to this year, but I generally agree with your premise. Really, $4.4 million is not a significant figure and if $4.4 million is going to be the difference between the Sox being able to get someone or not, then they've gone way over budget anyways. If they can't find anything worthy of trading him for, they'll keep him. If they can't find him at bats, they will release him. If they feel they can find ways of working him into the lineup, he'll stick around and be a guy. In today's environment, this is a rather low cost move.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 11:00 AM) Is Marrone's stock down right now? I thought it was the contrary but I know you're closer to that conversation. Basically, yes. I think teams really looked down upon him bailing on the Bills like he did, perhaps indicating a lack of devotion and commitment to the job. Also, considering he is a supposedly a bright offensive mind and a cut from the Sean Payton tree, his offenses were incredibly bland and vanilla. Some of that is the QB under center, but it didn't seem he could stick with one thing (they talked about running the hurry up and running the ball a lot, but devolved into Orton throwing a lot, which is a bad idea) or work with the strength of the team (with no good QB and a plethora of running backs, they should have ran it much more than they did). He was also considered to be a great cultivator of offensive lineman and all the Bills saw was a decent to good line morph into mediocre to poor offensive line play. His family also indicated that the media was "unnecessarily unfair and overly critical of him [sic]" but that's what happens with head coaches in today's NFL and that's in technically the second smallest market but really the smallest market, thanks to Green Bay's popularity and proximity to Milwaukee. There was also a lot of in-house fighting between he and the GM Doug Whaley as well, escalating to a shouting match during training camp in front of members of the media. He was also very conservative and punted a ton in late short and 4th situations where the team was down. Needless to say, even with a 9-7 record this past year, I was not impressed with Marrone in the least.

Would Marrone take an OC job? Right now his stock may be down, but he's getting $4 mill and has a cozy consultant job in Houston if he wants to just sit on his $4 million with no stressful responsibilities or projects and that allows him another season to try and find a better opportunity for him personally. Right now the Bears offense seems like a shipwreck and he is in charge of trying to turn it around. Not that it's impossible, but it's not the easiest thing to do.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 10:15 AM) I do think it's one of the worst jobs available. I'd rate it Broncos 49ers Falcons Buffalo Bears Jets Raiders I think I would rather the Raiders job than the Jets job, all things considered, but both have been resolved at this juncture so it's a moot point.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Jan 14, 2015 -> 08:10 AM) I want zero part of Schwartz. Undisciplined. The Bills defense is far more talented than the Bears, but it was far from undisciplined. In fact, with the conservative nature of Schwartz's play calling, I'd say his defense is incredibly disciplined.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) This does pose a much larger, critical question that I dare ANYONE to defend Rich Hahn on; why don't the Sox sign all the players? The Yankees already tried this 12 years ago and how did that work out for them? OH YEAH JOSH BECKETT BUDDY

There are a number of reasons the White Sox didn't sign Lopez. 1) A K/9 of 5.1 in Serie Nacional does not bode well for him in the majors. Maybe there's something there, maybe not. Blindly throwing around money is crazy. 2) Spending $8.25 million on him comes with a 100% overage tax on anything exceeding the White Sox spending limit. I don't know what it is exactly, but it's much, much less than $8.25 million and they would have spent around $12-15 million on a virtually unknown prospect. 3) They could sign amateur free agents between now and July 2nd, and every single one of those signings would be doubled as a result of this signing because they were already over. If they signed someone for $500K, it's a $1 million overall cost. 4) As a result of those overages, once July 2, 2015 hits, they would not be able to sign anybody for more than $300K from that date until July 2, 2017. That means they miss out on all kinds of high end prospects that fall in that time frame, and the Latin American minor league supplements would also take a hit as a result. I get that you liked the guy, but this isn't a major loss and isn't a factor of Reinsdorf and company being cheap. EDIT: Also, this: QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 04:57 PM) i do beg to differ... there is really no scouting rpt that givens any hints on how far or close he is to the majors. isn't really a good defense for why the Sox should have signed him. If we don't know how far away he is from being a major league caliber pitcher, then why throw $8 million at him? This isn't similar to the Dayan Viciedo or Gerardo Concepcion signing the Cubs made where they signed these guys to decently sized contracts at a young age not knowing exactly how the product looked, this has much deeper drawbacks that would hurt the Sox long-term if he flamed out.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 13, 2015 -> 02:34 PM) My girl has been on and off birth control for the last couple months and changed from very relaxed to up my ass. I am writing it off as just hormonal s*** but I'm annoyed but we've been fighting more than I'd like. I got yelled at for going to the bar and not telling her last week. I sent her a picture of my buddy when we were at the bar and she's like "why didn't you tell me you were there?" And it didn't end there. Birth control is just a bag of pros and cons. How long have you been dating?

Jason, look at the opening post in the thread.

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