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QUOTE(fathom @ May 31, 2007 -> 09:02 PM) Prince Fielder has taken over the role from Bonds and Pujols as the most exciting player to watch bat. I always consider how fast an all you can eat buffet would go out of business if he and his dad made a visit 3 times a week. Regardless, there's no argument from me with your assessment.

QUOTE(HeGone33 @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 03:11 PM) we need a youtube of this pronto not possible

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 02:35 PM) Yep, after they lost Schilling, Luis Gonzalez fell apart, and Mark Grace retired. What a shocker! And so talent plays an aspect, which Ozzie has very little to do with. Interesting concept. Add to the fact that he had the league's best pitching staff in 2005, a year in which it overproduced, and then he had one of the league's best offenses last year that he poorly manipulated by having Podsednik leading off for all but 18 of his PA's, and you get your two 90+ win seasons pretty easily. Seeing as how the talent just doesn't seem to be there anymore, now what? Seems I'm every bit as wrong as calling a bad manager as you are calling him a good manager, when really, a manager is only ever as good as the players he has. My point was that you like to twist words to form exactly what you want them to mean. I've never seen Lamont manage, so I'm a little in the blind, but from what I can tell, I'll take him over Brenly. He didn't win in Pittsburgh, but no one's won in Pittsburgh since Clinton's first term as President. Manuel I might; he couldn't inspire a fly to eat a piece of s***, but he knows baseball pretty well and is a damn fine bench coach for Willie Randolph in New York. That's more of a coin flip. Bevington was just an idiot. It's difficult to argue with Ozzie's results, but it's not difficult to realize the talent he's had. Point friggin blank, a manager's effect on a team is probably 10 games, 15 at most, and if he has the talent to win 70 games, the most he can do is bring that team to .500; if he has the talent to win 120 games, the worst he can do is win 105. With Ozzie, it seems his teams have found a way to lose close games over the past year and a half, and that does have to do with how he manages a bullpen, a lineup, a bench, and a defensive alignment. He doesn't make Aardsma and MacDougal terrible, but he can put them in terrible spots. He's done it several times before, and I'm sure he'll do it again. This argument grows so tiresome; I'm really just tired of seeing grinders. I want to see a talented team up and down the 25 man, and it's probably going to be atleast 2009-10 before that happens.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 12:15 PM) Nah, they're right. Ozzie's a terrible manager, as evidenced by his WS title, two 90-win seasons, and ZERO losing seasons in just 3+ years. Ozzie may not be Tony LaRussa or Bobby Cox (or even Mike Scioscia), but I'd wait for a losing season or two before declaring that he's awful and should be run out of town. Just curious, does the name Bob Brenly have any meaning to you at all? 2001 - 92-70, WS title 2002 - 98-64, division title 2003 - 84-78, 3rd place 2004 - 29-50, last place, fired midseason and since that time period, I don't recall ever hearing his name mentioned for potential managing situations. He instead now sits in the Cubs booth. but your criteria - his WS title, two 90-win seasons, and ZERO losing seasons in just 3+ years - fits Brenly absolutely perfectly, and he was not a good manager.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ May 31, 2007 -> 01:04 PM) Because there are players on this team that are above average, many of them. 80% of this team is underachieving. I think they ran out of gas last year......kind of like the Tigers are looking right now. You and many other people on this site need to stop looking at the last half of last season. If you are going to look at last year, look at the whole year not the second half and then the first part of this season. They won over 90 games last year. Will they this year.....who knows but the Tigers are within reach and as bad as the Sox have played they are still in it. For god sake it is May31st can they go on a run like the 06 Twins, 05 Indians, 02 Marlins, 83 Sox......I don't know but I am not going to say that because they have played average baseball over a span that is irrelevant that they are done. I will rather say this team hasn't played nearly as well as they can. Facing Halladay and Burnett will not be easy but they have to be better at wha they do and go from there. Do you think them running out of gas had anything to do with their age? Or their underachieving this year? The average age for the starting lineup this year was 31.3. That is super freakin old. Joe Crede and Juan Uribe are the only players under 30 in the lineup, and both of those two have been starting since 2003 (or in Juan's case, 2002 along with half the games in 2003). I really don't believe this team is underachieving anymore, I just really believe they have gotten that old and slow. KW was stressing pitching this past offseason, but this next offseason he needs to be looking at getting younger, faster, and more athletic all around.

Maybe it's just cuz I don't get to watch enough baseball from the Chicago side of things, but up here in the backwoods, it seems as though the Twins treat Sox/Twins as if it's the regular season World Series, and it's really just as big as Yanks-Sawks is. I just don't really tend to get that same feel from the White Sox aspect of it in anyone in the organization. Maybe that's me being blind, deaf, and dumb, or maybe it's because everyone seems to have a rivalry with the White Sox, but I just don't see that same killer instinct out of the Sox. Just saying, and if I'm wrong, let me know QUOTE(retro1983hat @ May 29, 2007 -> 07:57 AM) The Sox have won 7 straight division championships ..... ON PAPER! no, they didn't have that in 2004, 2005, nor 2007. And in both 2001 and 2002, Cleveland and Minnesota were much more talented. Same actually goes for 2000. 2003 and 2006 have really been the only two years where the Sox have been pretty loaded with talent, so much so that they were the favorites by almost everyone going into the season.

QUOTE(BearSox @ May 30, 2007 -> 05:10 PM) In related news... A-Rod is back to his suck-y ways! What ever happened to all that MVP talk I heard about? carrying a $200 million team gets a little burdensome at times

QUOTE(Brian @ May 29, 2007 -> 07:02 PM) It's not? I don't like the idea of letting 2 runners on base per inning. lol, I loooove sarcasm

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ May 30, 2007 -> 11:59 AM) id put my dick on the line that 30 out of 30 educated baseball general managers would take jose reyes over hanley ramirez 7 times a week and twice on sunday. simply for financial reasons, I will take Ramirez over Reyes every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Jose Reyes is going into his 4th season's worth of games (at 485 games right now, thus simply math says 485/162 = 3) and 5th season overall, whereas Hanley is only in his 2nd full season of games and his 3rd season in the majors. Reyes is going to reach big bucks quicker than is Ramirez. Statistically, they are essentially the same player right now and it's entirely possible neither have reached their ceilings, as both could very well end up being 30/60 guys in the very near future.

QUOTE(BearSox @ May 29, 2007 -> 09:56 PM) I'm getting sick of watching A.j. dog it down the line and such. I know he catches and all, but right now he looks like he couldn't care less about winning. I think we need to get a good young MLB catching prospect here pronto. Plus, my grandmother has about a good of an arm as he does. AJ's fine. Really, he is. Danks doesn't seem to allow many stolen bases, Buehrle never allows steals, Contreras always does, and the other two are slightly in the middle of the pack (just guessingwith the last two and Danks too I suppose). His bat and attitude are huge for this team, and to suggest he couldn't care less about winning is about as far off as it gets. The problem is if he were to show too much emotion he'd have s*** thrown at him all day long. I imagine there's about a 1% chance of that happening. They're like 8.5 games out in the Wild Card, and that's easily achievable for a team with that much talent. If they get healthy, they'll still win 90-95 game and be in contention.

Officer Karkovice owned your ass and the term ugly in the dictionary

I've seen just two innings of this game and I'm already sick and goddamn tired of the Twins defense

QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ May 29, 2007 -> 01:11 AM) A good example about how number can be deceiving. Check out this quote: "For now, Cooper seems more than satisfied with the relief crew in place. Even with a 9.29 ERA over its last 17 games, including 61 hits allowed and 30 walks issued in 40 2/3 innings, Cooper knows the support will be there at the end of the game to get the ball to Jenks -- including MacDougal." Now THAT is UGLY. A WHIP of 2.24 really isn't as bad as you think it is.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 29, 2007 -> 12:24 AM) We got Erstad, Sweeney, and Brian Anderson that project there. He's just at SS because the Sox have no one in AAA right now who can play short (we really don't have one in the entire minor league system). However, I figure being at short could help him a bit but I'm with Bear it can't be pretty with him playing short. LOL, I know. I was just completely messing around

QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 28, 2007 -> 10:06 PM) CHARLOTTE HAS NO ONE ELSE TO PLAY THE MIDDLE INFIELD but I really begin to question why they havent tried him in CF yet.

Day had some nice movement on his fastball, but he is just simply not ready yet. Anything that wasn't a ball was over the fat part of the plate. He quite frankly seems like he's pretty much a boom or bust prospect.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 26, 2007 -> 10:57 PM) Last year was a numerical fluke offensively, the regression to the means this year was inevitable for Joe. And he has a bad back. And he's due to get a big payday after next year. There was no reason to keep him. Regression to the means was inevitable for a 29 year old 3Bman who has improved his power each of the last 4 seasons. riiiiiiiiight

or Twins lose, but same thing

QUOTE(Shadows @ May 26, 2007 -> 09:46 AM) I have plenty of an idea thats a damn lie

QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 26, 2007 -> 01:06 PM) I can't remember where I heard it, but I believe Kris is throwing mid 80s now. so we basically have our own version of Mark Prior

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 26, 2007 -> 07:21 AM) 2 IP 1 H, 4 ER, 4 Wallks (!!!), 1 K 6.35 ERA Brandon deserved the loss, but the Rangers came back with 5 against Dice-K to take McCarthy off the hook until the Rangers' bullpen managed to blow it. Time is running out for underprepared and inexperienced GM Jon Daniels. again, blisters will affect a lot. McCarthy had been really solid over his previous 4 starts, so this looks more like a bump in the road than the course for the route, unless of course blisters become a huge problem for him in the future.

The voting on this is a joke at 50-2-2. This should seriously be a clean sweep for option #1.

QUOTE(rangercal @ May 26, 2007 -> 03:06 AM) Is andruw really overrated? 9 gold gloves in CF speak for themselves Let's keep in mind that Andruw just turned 30, if he averages just 20 HRS a year the next 10 years, he will finish with 548 hrs 25 avg a year he can approach 600. If he reached 600 hrs and finished with 9-12 Gold gloves, that is NOT over rated. Folks, jones is doing things that have not been accomplished at cf besides Griffey and Mays. I think people look at his career .265 avg too much what about Andruw having a higher career slugging pct than Ernie Banks, Kirby Puckett, Miguel Tejada, Johnny Bench, Roberto Clemente? People don't call Manny Ramirez Overrated, but what about his Defense? What about David ortiz not playing the field? What about Frank Thomas and Sammy sosa in their primes? Maybe Jones is overrated in Fantasy, as a baseball player he is not. First of all, GG's nowadays are as much reputation as they are about actual defense. Derek Jeter is one of the worst defensive SS's in the game, yet he is a 2 time gold glove SS; does he really deserve that award over Juan Uribe? Torii Hunter, good as he may have been in CF last year, was not as good as Corey Patterson; people's eyes and stats will tell you that to be true, but Hunter won the GG while Patterson was left in the cold, and why is that? Eric Chavez won the award last year, and some would argue that there were 3 candiates who were more deserving of the award in the AL Central alone, let alone the other 8 teams in the AL. But you are going to use GG to justify defense with absolutely nothing else? From everything I've seen and read, Jones is still a good defensive CFer, but he's not longer an elite defender in CF, and he hasn't been for a few years. Him winning Gold Gloves is because his name is Andruw Jones. Secondly, Roberto Clemente, Ernie Banks, and Johnny Bench played in an entirely different era of baseball; you comparing raw slugging numbers against one another is completely ridiculous, and all of them have superior career OPS+'s higher than Jones does. On top of that, Clemente and Puckett were not a power hitters; Clemente hit .317 during a time when pitcher's dominated the game and hit .290 in the year of the pitcher when Yaz's .301 led the AL, Denny McClain won 30, and Bob Gibson put up the lowest ERA in like forever with 1.12. Puckett never hit lower than .288 in a season, while putting up averages of .310+ in 8 of his 12 years in the league. Comparing either to Andruw Jones is like comparing Carl Crawford to Andruw Jones, and in no regard does it work because they are completely different players all together. Next, the obvious difference between Jones and Manny, Ortiz, Thomas, and Sosa is the 100-200 points difference between the OPS's of the groups. Jones is considered a cleanup type hitter, yet his .900 OPS pales in comparison: Manny's career OPS is over 1.000 and the last time he had an OPS under .950 was 1994, Ortiz has hit 101 homers in his last two full seasons, Frank Thomas is a top 5 hitter over the past 25 years, and Sosa averaged 61 homers over the course of a 4 season span. Has Jones ever done anything CLOSE to that offensively? Now you are comparing Andruw Jones to 3 of the best hitters of the past 25 years, along with perhaps the best power hitter of the past 5 years; Thomas and Ortiz don't play defense because they don't have to, Manny plays LF which is the second least important position defensively, and Sosa played RF with is the third least important. Jones plays CF, and you're almost comparing apples to oranges, because those guys are paid for their bats while Jones is paid for his overall game. No one you will find is going to argue that Jones is a bad or mediocre player. What these people will argue is that he's not and never will be an elite player in this league, and I'm not sure there's any real argument against that. He has a career .850 OPS, his defense is diminishing in CF, and he hasn't stolen bases on a somewhat consistent basis since 2000, yet there are some who will make him into a demigod type figure because of the name. Andruw Jones is a great player, but he's not a player you'll build a franchise around, and he very well could be the 3rd or 4th best hitter on the Braves. I'm not sure there's an argument against the fact that at this moment - which is what Stark was suggesting - Andruw Jones isn't overrated.

QUOTE(Shadows @ May 25, 2007 -> 11:46 PM) Just eat the $20 and let it go Best option, otherwise your going to go through a big hassle over 20 bucks You have no idea how much $20 can get you apparently