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QUOTE(rock1735 @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 06:09 PM) McCarthy, remember him, 53 app's two starts, threw 83 innings last year. You're right about a fifth starter being more important than a middle guy. My point was, the fifth starter out of ST will not be the same throughout the year. They will replace and replace and probably even skip the spot until somebody wins it over. I'm not a huge Whitesox fan, but those who are should realize the importance of McCarthy last year and what role he served, he did a great job. no, he really didn't. There were people forgiving him - me included - but he didn't do a good job at all. You can't give up that many homers out of the bullpen and be considered good.

QUOTE(shoota @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 05:04 PM) Remember, I'm not defending Buehrle's miserable second half, but contesting Rogers's statement stating Buehrle wasn't as sharp in 2006 as he was in 2005. Rogers's statement, as written, reads as if Buehrle was less effective in 2006 over the course of the entire season. Rogers makes no acknowledgment of Buehrle's tale of two halves. A more accurate sentence would have noted how Buehrle continued his sharp 2005 pitching into the first half of the 2006, before crumbling with the worst half season of his career. k

QUOTE(Tmar @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 04:16 PM) Yes. With a can opener, of course. thats good, because it was probably cancer

QUOTE(Tmar @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 02:26 PM) My testicle was the size of a can of corn. What are you going to do now did you happen to get it removed?

QUOTE(spiderman @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 01:54 PM) I'd say none - Thom(as/e) could get in, but being a DH in the AL is going to be held against him. They both played 1B much of their career as well. They're shoe-ins.

Javier Vazquez

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QUOTE(knightni @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 01:46 AM) OMGWTFBBQ! WITE! knew that would arouse you

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 01:10 AM) Hardaway was asked a question and he answered it...truthfully. If you don't want a guy to tell you his truth and are looking for the 'feel good, Miss America answer', then don't ask the frickin' question. again I ask...did he have to rant about it? He could have just as easily said "I want nothing to do with them" and left. It's vague but suggestive, and it ends everything. Or he could have realized how hateful his words were and he could have kept his prejudice to himself, and just said "No comment."

QUOTE(shoota @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 12:50 AM) I'm aware the part of the season occurring before the All-Star break is commonly referred to as the first half. I'm also aware half of 162 games is 81. K then why... QUOTE(shoota @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 01:08 AM) As I explained, my motivation for dividing the season in halves was as an attempt to disprove Phil Rogers's statement that Buehrle wasn't nearly as sharp in 2006 as in 2005. Buehrle's performance through the first 80 games (3.22 ERA) proved that he did perform for a sizable portion of the season at the high level he did over the entire 2005 season (3.12 year-end ERA). The same sharpness was present in both seasons, it just continued for a longer period of time in 2005. Rogers's comment suggested Buehrle was consistently bad throughout the entire season, which is not true. are you even debating this FACT... by using a half of a season (where he was good) to justify his whole season (which was worse than mediocre)? In the same exact context, I could not only argue, but I could prove with numbers that Mark Buehrle was, beyond a doubt, in fact the WORST pitcher in all of baseball by using MORE than half the season (82 games). He's not saying neither weren't sharp at some point during 2006. Buehrle was outstanding through 80 games, and Garcia had one of the best Septembers I can remember from a Sox pitcher since I've been true Sox fan (C.2000). That doesn't change the fact that Garcia had a mediocre 2006 season, and Buehrle was bad. End of story, Phil Rogers is right.

QUOTE(shoota @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 12:13 AM) We've already distinguished the All-Star break is not an equal division between halves of a season. Since the language I used was "first half" and not "pre-All-Star break," those numbers are moot to the discussion. My post stating "I don't understand," was to motivate Vance to elaborate on the two bolded sentences I found contradictory. Typically, first half and pre-ASB are considered one and the same, even when considering that the halves are not divided equally. And even when using the first 81 games, Mark Buehrle's first half - as you pointed out - was not spectacular.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 10:07 PM) Good to see Eduardo Perez is already in camp

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 12:00 AM) For givin' war heroes, silly! Chortle

QUOTE(knightni @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 11:20 PM) It was all metaphors for genitalia and sex. what's a metaphor?

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 09:14 PM) Personally I think Juan Uribe can consider himself very fortunate that he can play for the White Sox and hit half of his games at the Cell. Because the only good positive offensive stat he can argubly put up is SLG%. And if he was playing for say a team in a pitcher's park, imagine how much uglier those offensive stats would be. Do I think he's going to improve next season? I don't know, many people think he will, and if he comes in camp with the right playing weight and fit, he could very well do so. But he's done nothing but get worse since his 1st season here, and there doesn't seem to be a plan for him to get better, besides that leg kick which for some reason now he doesn't use. I agree completely that it's fortunate USCF is a hitter's park. However, I completely doubt you'd see Uribe in a Sox uniform if it wasn't; instead, you'd have seen him traded this offseason and Alex Gonzalez would have been brought in, and that I have no doubt about, because even though Gonzalez himself isn't a good hitter, it's likely that he would up an OBP higher than Uribe would and there would be little drop off defensively. You also have to figure that even with his tornado, hit or miss swing, he would have hit higher than .235 in a big park. He'd have been a horrible fit in say Dodgers Stadium, but if you put him in Pac Bell or Petco, he probably would have hit .250-.260 (which is like 6-12 more hits throughout the year, and I'm sure that would have happened) last year with a SLG% around .375-.400. Hitting 8th, I don't mind it so much. He has Pierzynski and Crede hitting in front of him and, while they don't put up great OBP's, they get on base at a good enough clip that he'll his power is an asset, as viewed by his 70 RBIs last year. If the Sox had guys who flat out didn't get on base in front of him, that'd be a problem. It'd also be great if Anderson improves enough this year with the bat that he's able to put up a .320-.340 OBP, and that's not to put the entire onus on Anderson, but he'll almost undoubtedly be the 9th hitter, and I view that position as more of a need to get on base than 8. It's kind of stating the obvious, but yes I agree. It is almost like saying Thome wouldn't be with the Sox if he couldn't hit for power, but I understand what you're saying. I actually agree with this too - atleast as far as drastically improving goes. I'm not sure how much worse Uribe can hit (and I hope it's not much worse if he can...eesh, that'd be bad), but I think it's almost impossible for Anderson to hit worse. The key for Uribe is not to swing as everything, because quite frankly, 13 walks is horrendous. Thome walks like 20 times a month, which says it all for me. Anderson just needs to worry about making contact on a more regular basis, and if he can, he'll be great (relatively speaking) this year.

QUOTE(gosox41 @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 08:45 PM) So what do you project for Floyd in 2007? Do you expect Gio Gonzalez to have any impact on the big league team? KW preached about how if he traded one of his starting pitchers it would be to help the team win now as well as in the future. Maybe Gonzalez will one day be good--heck I've heard someone say he reminds them of Ron Guidry. I don't see that, especially in 2007. So it comes down to Floyd. Can he put up Garcia like numbers or better over the course of a full season? I have my doubts about the guy. UT RIGHT Now he has a a good shot to be the fifth starter, whether that's by default or if he lasts there the whole season are other issues. Bob I highly doubt Floyd puts up anywhere near Garcia's numbers. I do, however, believe one of the starting pitchers can fill his numbers, and Floyd can hopefully put up numbers around what Buehrle put up last year. Say the rotation fills out something like this... Contreras - 3.75 ERA, 17 W Buehrle - 3.90 ERA, 16 W Garland - 4.25 ERA, 14 W Vazquez - 4.45 ERA, 13 W Floyd - 5.50 ERA, 10 W I assume you'd agree that the rotation above would be better than the rotation from last year. In this instance, Contreras is improving upon himself, Buehrle upon Garland, Garland upon Garcia, Vazquez upon him, and Floyd is having a worse year than Buehrle. If 4 pitchers improve, and the bullpen is better this year as well, the Sox should have no problem pitching wise. At that point, it will be about the offense being able to consistently score all year long, as opposed to just in the first half. Regarding Gonzalez, he probably won't be ready to pitch in the Sox rotation until next year at the earliest, and I figure it's either going to be 2009 or he'll be traded. Just a hunch on my part, with just numbers and gut feeling backing it up. That should help a little bit anyways, atleast according to how I feel. Some may disagree, that's their right.

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QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 07:19 PM) Yeah, and if he just went out in public and said it would be one thing. To me since he was answering a question it was a little different. Not 2 mention I bet thats how the majority of NBA players feel about it. Hell I bet some people in this thread saying omg how could Hardaway say that share the same feelings. so he had to go on about a 2 minute rant talking about how much he doesn't like gays? He could have simply said "I want no part of it" and been done.

QUOTE(Felix @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 06:45 PM) Since it seems no one else got it, I like the 2.9 reference thank you, I'll be here all night.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 07:04 PM) The fact that he was traded for Chris Young has not helped matters either. No it doesn't, and Anderson being a complete POS for April and May last year hurt matters even more. He was brought in to be the 5th starter, but with the upside to be a top 5 pitcher in the MLB. People are pissed because he cost so much both in terms of players and in salary. However, I'm still further frustrated by the fact that people can't accept that Young hasn't proven a damn thing in the majors yet, and that they are so willing to just completely give Vazquez away while keeping Garcia, when both the business and baseball sides of the ball suggest keeping Vazquez over Garcia. I'm done talking Vazquez for a while. I've done it waaaaaaaaaaaay to much in the past week, so I'll only just mention his name from time to time until the predictions for the 2007 season come up, upon which he's going to receive an insane amount of slurpage from me.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 07:07 PM) Idonno I guess I tend to different from most people. Id rather someone be honest with me than lie about something. And I know how racism feels especially after 9/11 and I still feel that way. And if someone is racist thats ok to me to, as long as they dont go parading around and trying to get other people to join them as well. For example, my best friend's dad is very racist, but he doesnt force it into his son's/wife. I'd rather people be honest too, but not that honest. Some of your deepest prejudices and beliefs should be known either by no one or just a select few. Tim Hardaway's views about gays is one that should. Michael Richards on blacks. Mel Gibson on jewish people. I don't want to know about it, and I'm saddened that I do. If a sports player wants to say his coach sucks at coaching, he hates the refs, or his teammate's an idiot, that's fine by me. However, I really don't want to listen to you spew hate towards an entire group of people, because that is crossing the line between a humorous rant and a disgusting, embarrassing, and prejudicial speech.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 06:30 PM) I think it's getting to the point where you just need to let it go, it's not worth it anymore. I've had to do this with a few subjects over the years, it just reaches the point where you're never going to be able to get to everyone so it's going to pop up almost daily. I did say I was going to be a broken record about it. Maybe said record got thrown in the garbage People are ridiculous. I think the only reason people hate Vazquez is not because he was so ungodly inconsistent last year, but rather because he was the only pitcher who was not a constant in the rotation between 2005 and 2006. I loved 2005 as much as any Sox fan, but at some point rose colored glasses have to be taken off. I probably will, just cuz I'm getting sick of it. I still think I'm going to have a great manlove sig made for me though of him. It will be amazing.

QUOTE(Beltin @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 06:05 PM) Pods? thatd be who I was thinking of. Simply trade him to a team willing to take a flyer on him and try and get a Lujan-type prospect for him. At this point, his speed can't be counted on, and if he doesn't have his speed, you can't count on his defense (not that you ever really could). If a team's lucky, he puts up a either a decent season as a LFer or he acts as a decent 4th OFer.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 05:20 PM) First I am not going to go back and check how this guy started his career and finished it. Second, you have to go all the way back to 1958? WOW!!!! Jeeze, now that I look at it, his best season was 13-8? He pitched more than 200 innings twice in a 10 year career? This guy was a good pitcher? He doesn't look like it. His ERA was good only 30% of the time and his WHIP good 40% of the time. This is a good pitcher? You are hoping McCarthy could equal that? OK, fine by me. He had a pretty respectable career, and all I really did was go based off of the pitchers who had the most similar careers as McCarthy has up to his point. It was simple research, I provided a name, and that's really all you wanted. I'm also sure he would have pitched more had those Sox rosters in the late 50's, early 60s not been loaded. I don't know anything about him, but he has good numbers, and had a nice stretch of 6-7 years. You're making it sound like he sucked, but last time I checked, all the Sox really need from whomever (McCarthy/Danks/Floyd) is that nice stretch of 6-7 years, no? If you want me to dig deeper, I'm sure I can find a few more names who are similar to (my estimation) of the type of career McCarthy could put up. I really don't wish to, because it'd be time consuming and completely subjective, but I'd do it.