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That’s also how he ended up (eventually) getting run off everywhere he’s gone…he is unlikely to get another shot if he messes this one up.

Some year, Buxton is going to win an MVP and everyone will wonder why the White Sox didn’t make a run at him when you could get an extension for less than the price of Jose Berrios, a 2.5 spot in the rotation starter. So far, nobody has a very solid idea for OF other than about 25+ Ketel Marte trades that underpay Arizona, Reynolds trades that underpay Pitt, giving Conforto $100 million or Starling Marte $75 million at his relatively advanced age. Knowing the Sox, we finally end up with Frazier and he looks nothing like that first half 2021 version again. And it’s not like Jimenez is currently perceived around baseball as one of the safest bets out there…unless he DH’s, which the White Sox seem adamantly opposed to doing.

So there’s pretty much no way for teenagers to buy condoms without being further embarrassed to death? Heaven forbid, for Gen X it was scandalous buying a Playboy Magazine with the black wrapping paper to keep anyone from opening it.

They’re really claiming Avi can play CF, or Leury, lol?

https://www.startribune.com/twins-byron-buxton-trade-credibility-issue/600118187/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=twins We should just trade Eloy OR Vaughn and Crochet and 2 minor leaguers for Buxton, sign him to an extension and solve the diversity issue in one fell swoop. Now that would be ballsy, since the risk level would be extremely elevated. But those two guys in the same outfield together would be amazing.

OJ Simpson. The end. And when Anna Kournikova turned 40. USA gymnastics/Nasser case. OSU wrestling. PSU football scandal. Len Bias death. Ben Wilson. Jose Fernandez, Yordano Ventura, Oscar Taveras. Actually, Puckett and Clemente… Tyson biting Holyfield. 1972 Olympics. Russia over US in BB.

The odds are still better than 50/50 Giolito will be their most reliable starter at the end of 2023. He’s in that select group of pitchers (less than one per team) who gave more than 170 innings coming off 2020. And his numbers look a helluva lot better if you take out the Patriots Day start and the one TLR stubbornly refused to pull him and a bunch of his runners were surrendered by a reliever.

I’ll take which SoxTalk mod is most likely to make snarky comments for $500, Alex. It was 2021. See that number embedded in the link? Dick Allen’s point was that the layoff/short season in 2020 impacted this season, which is quite obvious to pretty much anyone…starting with games pitchers missed on the IL. 2019, 51 threw 170+, including Reynaldo Lopez, our own innings eater. 2018, 50 threw 170+. 2017, 45. 2016, 64 over 170 With even more focus on bullpen usage than ever before, the true number with two back to back 162 game seasons should equalize in the 38-42 range. Still only 1 1/2 pitchers per team putting up those IP, at most.

How in God’s name is a 12-15% split (used to be closer to 13/14%) a 3x ratio of Hispanics to AA in the US population? 46.9 million AA compared to 62.1 million Hispanic/Latino. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html That doesn’t count “some other race” or multi-racial in either group, officially. Even if we VERY generously added 20 million undocumented/DACA we don’t even come THAT close to 2/1.

Why is CWS surprised here? You know Merkin will play down things automatically, he’s pretty much a mirror of Hahn and even a bit more pragmatic and realistic than our own front office, guys such as KW and Haber. Garfien is more of a cheerleader, the constantly optimistic type. Merkin even wrote about Burger being an option at second already.

Only 29 pitchers in all of baseball managed that. https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=8,d Only 5 of them were below 3.0 fWAR, with Flexen and Gibson exactly there. Hendricks, Lyles, Irvin, Corbin and Greinke. That leaves you two or possibly three. Only Lyles or Irvin would be in the affordability range most are seeking.

More like McHugh, but he wouldn’t come so cheap…

https://www.southsidesox.com/2021/11/6/22763893/luke-smailes-chicago-white-sox-offseason-plan Everyone in Soxosphere has us trading for Ketel Marte. Somehow adding Kiermaier and Wendle in one trade, Fathom special. Might as well bring back Colome on MLI. Keuchel for Bradley, Jr., might drive everyone nuts. Guaranteed Keuchel ends up Top Ten in Cy voting again next year, lol. This guy has the Sox trading two minor leaguers nobody has even heard of…

They better get rid of Leury then…

BMaggs’ subsequent list is appealing to you…? On paper, they’re all okay ideas, but those players on the White Sox will suddenly forget what’s on the back of their baseball cards. Kiermaier, if it was three years ago.

I’d go with Gausman over Ray, if it was head-to-head. Escobar is fine for a placeholder. I think we’re more likely to see a Vaughn trade than giving Conforto or Starling Marte huge numbers. Ketel Marte would be fine. Bryan Reynolds. Not sure the M’s deal Haniger now…would also look at Trammell in a change of scenery deal, but not for Vaughn…more for 4th OF to replace Engel. Depending on how much $$$ the Padres would send along, would look at Wil Myers, who has had some really inconsistent fWAR numbers. Frazier or Grisham are two more possibilities. Need to make the corner outfield spots more athletic, at least one of them if they’re staying with Eloy in LF. Soler, depending on price. That’s the 2000 offense, but not helping the defense by much. I think we are MUCH likelier to end up with a DeSclafini or Alex Wood type than Gausman, however. Scherzer, no way. More than likely, 50% of excitement is pushed back to trade deadline.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/robbie-ray/11486/stats?position=P Ray had only a 2.8 fWAR cumulatively from 2018-2020. Giving him a $150-175 contract is the definition of insanity for a franchise like the White Sox. Even the three years prior to that, he averaged around 3. That’s certainly good, but not the best usage of $25 million per season to buy at the highest possible price on the market.

And I bet minority ownership for minor league baseball teams is less than 2-3%, another potential avenue into the game… https://www.hwsgroup.com/savits-take-over-greenjackets/ This details the deal (a now tiny $1.1 million profit but still significant in the mid-90s) for the team I worked for in 1994-95. Back then, most minor league teams were available for under $10 million, except the top AA/AAA markets. His (owner’s grandfather) was the founder of Scripps/Howard Newspapers (also known for hospitals/cancer clinics, UPI News Syndicate, National Spelling Bee)…for him, it was just a 2-3 times a year plaything, going to the Winter Meetings, hob-nobbing with other elites. His wife I recall pushed him to get rid of the team. He did spring for really nice championship rings for all the front office staff, but nothing like major league teams get. “Scripps family ranks highest in the Tri-State, at No. 34, with a net worth of $7.5 billion. The family's wealth is a result of Edward Willis Scripps founding the E.W. Scripps media empire in 1878.”

Sean Young instead? At the very least, we need some Dan Marino Isotoner gloves mentioned. For some reason, I can't get the image of Don Shula having his hand snatched by Jim Carrey hiding inside of a mailbox out of my head.

Taylor is definitely not an everyday SS....he's much better than 2B and all around the OF, although a team would be better served playing him in LF, then RF...compared to CF. $200 million seems a BIT too high based on Semien's age (if he was 29, maybe?) and relatively recent "bust out" performance-wise, and you've also got his off 2020 abbreviated season where he did a JD Martinez disappearing act. Someone had him at $136 or 138 earlier in the thread....split the difference (with $200) and you get $168, which would likely be the very low starting point of Tim Anderson's contract extension discussions in 2024.

I blame it all on Balta and Umair Haque's Medium.com articles...and living in China for too long, lol.

I can't imagine JR paying a former player they didn't value enough $138, let alone $160-185 million. Escobar for $20 mill at the tail end of his career would be a different feeling...that said, we deliberately passed on him for supposed injury reasons, so what has changed? Just having a full offseason?

13% RottenTomatoes, and that was only 3/5.

Wouldn't we see the same trends in Royals or Astros t.v. ratings and season ticket uptick at the same point in their rebuilds?

It was a kickback scandal...for Jay and Alonso. That wasn't the greatest look, when all they needed to do was guarantee those last two years if they really wanted him. And they were fortunate to get Moncada's 2019 season right after that miss.