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Because Huizenga ordered that team to be torn apart due to personal financial issues...

KyLlo Ren, please pin to top.

He developed two of the top rated farm systems in baseball, the Expos and Marlins. He rebuilt the Marlins team in 1997 to win another with great youngsters like Beckett and Miggy six years later, taking out the Cubs and Yankees. He spent the money in Detroit his owner wanted him to spend. Just like JR ordered Abreu, right? And Verlander turned out to be a solid contract for the Tigers. Cabrera and Fielder were the only terrible ones, and Zimmerman. If the White Sox need to spend over $170 million to win the World Series, Hahn should receive just a little credit I guess. Ilitch and JR set the tone for those two teams. The Tigers had a run of success and sold out parks from 2006 until 3-4 years ago. The White Sox have hardly beaten those accomplishments in the last forty years of franchise history, other than the anomalous 2005 season.

I never said that about Sale. We were talking about Semien. And yes, they could still NEED a reliever in the heart of the 2010 pennant race and still project him as a starter eventually. In fact, their two best starters in 15-20 years in Buehrle and Sale started out with plenty of doubters. But LaRussa is a junk manager because of Canseco and McGwire, when every team in baseball was filled with players doing the exact same things for a generation. Okay. Why is it that Francona and Epstein get a free pass for Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, then?

Then they should just go to $$$ spent per fWAR (most efficiently) to award titles. Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, Oakland, MN can win every year!

Maddon won with two organizations. With two of the supposed Top 3-5 front office execs in all of baseball. But nobody will be surprised if they don’t make the playoffs this year. How good is he, really? Francona has won with both small and large market teams. But CLE also has one of the best front offices in baseball. How good is Francona?

He was perceived by many as a reliever and the closest to the big leagues on draft day. Semien was brought up because for ten+ years we never had enough quality depth...

All NFL organizations are hacks, except the Patriots...

Just pointing out it didn’t take 12 years for them to get back to the playoffs...not even half that. Cash also is part of a system that extracts the most value out of every penny they spend. At any rate, separating Maddon and Friedman is next to impossible, or Maddon and Epstein. Or Luhnow and Hinch. Talent makes any manager look better...Ozzie said that a million times.

But that’s the point...you’re giving them credit for rushing him up in two years, but he wasn’t ready. Same thing with Beckham, and Viciedo as well. We did that because it was easier than paying real money in free agency...and for the same reasons we drafted Sale and Burdi, although proximity to the big leagues worked out in the Sale case. Of course, that’s yet another potential HoF talent who won’t go in wearing a White Sox cap.

Somehow if he won all those titles and divisions for the White Sox we’d be singing a slightly different tune. He’s not my favorite manager, but you have to at least respect his lifetime of accomplishments. And as much as he and Dave Stewart were vilified in AZ, that franchise didn’t take seven or eight years to get back to competitiveness despite being in the same division as the Dodgers.

They rushed him to the big leagues as a developed Pac Ten player out of CAL, then gave up on him after less than half a season of regular playing time? If his defense was such a concern at that point, then why rush him...when our minor coaching staff wasn’t exacted noted at that time for bringing “added value” on the defensive side of things? That sounds like the story of every single Sox position prospect since Crede and Rowand, btw. How many position changes were Viciedo and Beckham subjected to? It’s the responsibility of every team that has a potential SS on their hands to play him there until he absolutely forces you to change him to another position.

They didn’t keep or identify talent properly. It’s the same way we can “produce” a lot of FWAR on the left side of the infield (technically), but Tatis, Semien and Escobar all put up those numbers playing for other teams.

Then we can disqualify Epstein and Francona due to Manny and David Ortiz? And it’s not like the majority of Cardinals players were on them, unless you have proof on Pujols that we don’t know about. Astros and Red Sox were cheating...so who can we actually give credit to? Anyone?

Hindsight revisionism. Balta and a few others were the only ones making this argument at the time of the trade. The majority believed he would never be a regular at the big league level, certainly not at SS. Utility player only. If that’s not on the manager/coaching staff, who should we blame? His agent? Buddy Bell? Reinsdorf? The hitting coaches?

We were successful in pushing LaRussa, Leyland and Francona out of the organization. Three for the Hall...not in Sox uniforms. Four, counting Dave Dombrowski as an exec.

Because he’s Andruw Jones from Curacao/Netherlands Antilles. He got fat, lol.

That’s kind of what happened with Semien...without the help of Ron Washington, he could have ended up in Japan.

So where exactly does this belong...it’s not MLB catch all, it’s not the minor leagues, it’s not SLAM. The area of the website where it most closely fits is currently closed. But good job, anyway, being vigilant! Surprised you haven’t complained I’m posting in 2019 movies when it’s actually 2020. Omg, the horror, the horror!

Really surprised Vizquel is so low...thought he was going to be this generation’s Mazeroski.

Margot will be lucky to have a 26 man roster spot.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/hitter-attacks-catcher-with-his-bat-during-wild-venezuelan-baseball-brawl-031246026.html Top Venezuelan Winter League brawl in recent memory...catcher attacked by hitter’s bat

Well, every top college and NFL coach just got about a 50% raise thanks to the new Matt Rhule contract...

Like the 2005 White Sox, a great team but not necessarily from a Hall of Fame perspective. I can't even think of many guys who will get more than a handful of votes. When all is said and done, it might be Sal Perez who gets the most HofF votes if he can resurrect his career after the surgery (over Moustakas, Cain and Hosmer). There are just so few candidates now from the catcher's spot. I would have said Johnny Cueto, but he's fading too. Wade Davis and Holland will get a few votes, I guess. The one thing Yost did was develop that identity. Moving the line one hit or sacrifice at a time, fundamentals, situational hitting, making contact with the ball whenever possible, fundamental defense, dominant bullpen, decent starters...running at all times and pushing the envelope in the late innings with Cain, Escobar, Dyson and Gore.

That team really didn't even a need a manager, they just needed someone to get out of the way. In a lot of ways, Sal Perez, Gordon and Hosmer were like managers on the field. Bringing in pinch runners late in games, going to a consistent set of bullpen moves in a very predictable pattern, Herrera to Davis to Holland, everything started to fall apart when their dominating bullpen was no more.