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Didn’t we already try this by making a poor trade for Samardzija and signing Robertson/Cabrera/LaRoche...as soon as we start to place our contention hopes on the backs of the Todd Frazier’s of the world, we’ll be stuck in baseball purgatory forever.

From looking at the same list of available free agents and rumored trade targets and discussing it over and over again. Unless we bring back Kenny Williams to find another Eaton or Quentin...for the life of me, I can’t even remember the last time we turned lead into gold with one of those patented page 18 in the sports section moves, probably Alejandro de Aza.

One of the best trades of all-time to get Yelich...two years ago, it was Thames, last year Shaw, Cain, Moustakas and Aguilar (Schoop was hurt). Huira coming up this year. The point is you make 2-3 moves every year that improve your team. Other than Braun, they’ve never locked into a bad contract...and signing 1-2 year deals with high quality veteran free agents has worked out well. In the end, you still need to have one proven TOR starter. Nevertheless, Chacin and the bullpen almost pulled off a miracle in 2018. Still, to be objective, there’s simply no way the Cubs should be on the ropes with a core of Bryant/Rizzo/Baez/Contreras and almost double the payroll as Milwaukee.

The point is that you can’t get too risk-averse when you really need to compete. All of the signings Hahn has made since 2016 were basically “throwaway” deals that wouldn’t effect the long-term future of the ball club. And there’s still talk of doing the same thing in RF and the starting rotation next year as well. We’ve gone from a mentality of get both Machado/Harper back to a “second tier” free agency outlook, and that’s crazy for a franchise with more financial flexibility than any team in MLB. At some point, they’re going to have to commit big time, like the Cubs did with Lester and the Royals with Shields. From that point onwards, it’s all about winning with no going back. No more excuses or half measures.

The biggest problem of all is that we’re so thin...a major injury to any of the Core 6 position players (three in the majors already) and it feels like rebuild could be set back yet another year, like it seemingly was when Kopech went down. For all the plaudits and praise received in 2016-18, we haven’t been able to produce enough 1.5-2.5 fWAR players to surround the core. It’s a combination of the sloppy play, dumb managing (bunting against MN in the first when they’re setting daily power-hitting records?) and McCann/Giolito/Abreu slumping. Then Cease struggling, and Jimenez scuffling too...it’s almost putting too much pressure on Luis and Nick to be the saviors as rookies. Madrigal can definitely handle it, just not sure how Robert will react.

Imagine the GM being the fall guy when he was basically forced by ownership to dump Cole, McCutcheon and Harrison...

Right, it was good enough to finish tied for the best record in the National League. The difference this year is that Cain, Aguilar and Shaw aren’t producing...so the weight of the offense has shifted even more to Yelich, Grandal, Moustakas and Huira (last two months). It also is an interesting lesson about going year to year on second tier free agents like Moustakas and Grandal that aren’t quite at the star level. Cain was a great contract last year...but you can definitely see him on a downward arc this year. And losing Knebel pushed everyone one step back in the bullpen...which will eventually lead to Hader getting worn down or injured like Sale at the end of every recent season.

Umm...Quintana’s 2017 and 2018=5.7 Gonzales has been worth 6.2 the last 1 1/2 seasons. And counting. It was pretty clear for most of 2017 he wasn’t the same pitcher before the trade. He was actually sporting an fWAR pretty similar to exactly where Gonzales is right now. For those months, we were monitoring his every start and fretting his value had been significantly decreased, his stuff wasn’t quite as crisp...maybe the trade rumors were bothering him, etc. Epstein didn’t properly evaluate him and went mostly by his 2012-2016 record...it’s the opposite of Nationals trading for Eaton and basing it on his one season where he was over a 5. How did that work out for them? Just like nobody will trade for Jose Abreu today and go off what he did in 2014-16. Realistically, Quintana was closer to a 2/3 at that moment than a 1/2...and now he’s a 3/4. And career-wise, he’s at least trending upwards or in a positive direction rather than the opposite. Everyone can probably agree that would be a very useful piece for the White Sox to stabilize the back of the rotation, and he won’t be nearly as expensive in arbitration as what they’re going to overpay in free agency with every team chasing the same 15 pitchers. With the Sox seemingly more interested in saving than spending money, a $1 million 2020 salary and three arbitration seasons is quite attractive. That allows them to easily spend the big money on Cole, Wheeler, Strasburg, Bumgarner, etc. It also guarantees they won’t end up with table scraps in February and March.

How did Q (billed at least as a #2 when with us) become someone who wouldn’t even slot in a big league rotation in the form of Gonzales when their stats and fWAR are quite comparable...Marco was something like 29th? From pitching at Safeco in obscurity? Let’s not forget that the competition in the AL West (Astros, A’s, Rangers and Angels) is a heckuva lot better than our own top-heavy division which includes 3 of the worst 8 teams in baseball. In my book, that would make him the #2 for the White Sox heading into 2020...and we still haven’t seen how Giolito going to finish out these last two months. And sure, theoretically Kopech should be higher in the end, but he has to prove it first.

If that’s the case, who would the Mets take for 2 1/2 years of Thor without touching one of the core rebuild pieces in Robert, Madrigal, Vaughn and Dunning (whose value is off 25-50% until he can prove he’s healthy and stuff is back)?

When the Sox trailed the Twins 9-0 on Sunday a pair of voices from young fans stood out in the crowd. They were cheering their hearts out with “Let’s go White Sox” chants. Renteria had NBC Sports Chicago’s Chuck Garfien find one in the crowd and gave him a signed ball. “We were 9-0 and that little kid was out there yelling,” Renteria said. “I can hear it. I thought he was way up in the stands or something. I told Chuck, ‘find that voice.’ “When you have kids who are looking upon Major League Baseball players with so much joy and enthusiasm. For me as an adult, we can become very cynical, sarcastic and very negative in any sport professionally because it’s all about performance and coming out on top and blah, blah, blah. Just hearing the voice of this kid just cheering you on, cheering you on and cheering on the team and talking about ‘Let’s go White Sox.’ For me, that lifted me up. And I wanted to find out who it was because, believe it or not, even us old guys and players in the field, need to hear that support sometimes. When it comes from the smallest little guy that you can see out there at that particular point for me. For me, it was a blessing. I’m glad I heard him. We gave him a little baseball. That’s what it’s all about and at the end of the day I think if we have child-like joy and desire and excitement and willingness to go out and just leave it out there, we’ll be OK.” Renteria signed the ball, gave it to the kid and it said “Thank you. Keep it going and keep believing.” https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/young-fans-child-joy-put-things-perspective-white-sox-despite-big-deficit Scott Merkin has a similar story up at the team website

He’s a tub of goo, like Terry Forster, so why not...? Although he’s not reputed to have a great arm.

This week’s “retro” giveaway cards... Chris Getz, Kenny Williams, Buddy Bell (in honor of his “turning around” the Reds), Rick Renteria, Don Cooper, Daryl Boston, Todd Steverson

How can we say that when the Red Sox have four World Series titles to the Yankees’ one over the last 18 seasons? To judge the GM with the most resources to work with...and compare him to Billy Beane, the Atlanta Braves organization, Friedman in Tampa and LA, Antonetti and Chernoff in Cleveland, etc. That’s an impossible task. But the obvious choice at any rate is Jeff Luhnow...other than DFAing JD Martinez and picking Appel over Bryant, almost every big move has gone right for them, with the possible exception of bringing Osuna with his questionable background on board.

Anthony Kay, LHP Age: 24 The 31st overall pick in 2016, Kay didn't pitch after signing due to an elbow injury and missed all of 2017 after having Tommy John surgery. He returned last year and has flown up the system, reaching Triple-A this year in just his second season on the mound. Kay is a power lefthander with a fastball that sits at 93 mph and regularly reaches 95-96 mph. He complements his fastball with a high-spin, top-to-bottom curveball he locates to sides of the plate and a changeup that flashes above-average with sink at the bottom of the zone. Kay's arsenal is that of a mid-rotation starter or better, but his control and command are inconsistent and make him a future back-end starter in the eyes of most evaluators. He is nearly major league ready and could make his debut this year. Simeon Woods-Richardson, RHP Age: 18 The Mets' second-round pick last year, Woods-Richardson made his full-season debut this year and earned raves as one of the best pitchers in the low Class A South Atlantic League despite a pedestrian 4.25 ERA. Woods-Richardson is a 6-foot-3 righthander who pounds the strike zone with a power arsenal. His four-seam fastball reaches 95-96 mph and his cutter sits at 92 mph, giving him two hard offerings to front his four-pitch mix. His 12-to-6 breaking ball has hard downward action and shows the potential to be an impact pitch, and his changeup flashes average. Woods-Richardson struggles leaving the ball up and gets hit as a result sometimes, but evaluators feel he can be an impact starter once he learns to work the edges of the strike zone. He earns wide praise for his fearless, bulldog mentality on the mound and aggressiveness in attacking hitters. baseballamerica.com

https://nypost.com/2019/07/28/mets-face-obstacles-in-dream-noah-syndergaard-trade-scenario/ Will disagree with one assessment of Sherman here...Mejia was injured this spring (despite his gaudy numbers) and has really been MUCH better since returning from the minors, both offensively and defensively. Finding a catcher in this day and age that can hit and throw well is exceedingly difficult, along with increasing plate framing awareness...and Mejia's flexible/athletic enough to play LF/RF as well. Agree 100% with him on Urias, I wouldn't make him the centerpiece of any trade if I was another organization.

They're probably getting back 55-60 cents on the dollar for the Cespedes deal through insurance, so there's that.

So he was together with other players...in a pack, and you randomly ended up with an Alonso card if you were unlucky? 4 cards per pack, and I guess some of the mystery packs had an autograph (like 1 out of 100 or 200)?

He and Collins are going crazy today, OPS at Charlotte up over 1.000, likely just hit the game-winning homer for CHARLOTTE...a 3 run blast in the bottom of the 8th in a game they were trailing by seven runs early (9-2 going into the bottom of the 5th inning). Let's give organizational filler like Mercedes and Mendick a shot, because why the hell not? Mercedes 3/5, hitting .315...and even our old friend Zack Collins is 4/5 .269 878 OPS.

Imagine sitting through that game...and THEN adding insult to injury. I was at a game they lost like 21-2 or something like that against the Twins a decade or so ago, and that was just something you had to laugh about...knowing the best of Freddy Garcia's days were long behind him. If memory serves correctly, it was the very first time we were going after Jake Peavy and he turned the trade down. Not sure what to call today's game...other than embarrassing. But you would think the White Sox would 1) just throw out the cards, and figure out a better way to appease the sponsor, who will probably be receiving complaints that they have nothing to do with, or 2) send them onto Colorado, or 3) send them all on to Manny Machado as a good-natured prank. Then again, #3 is something a person officially connnected to the team could never do, because it would be hilarious but "lacking in professionalism" or whatever. Or just send them to the Padres or Indians, where fans would be more appreciative...anywhere but Chicago.

Targets for the Mets as they deal Syndegaard 1A) Cal Quantrill 1B) Will go after Baez or Morejon, might have to accept Luis Patino (#2 in terms of potential after Gore) in the CAL League...Logan Allen would be a disappointing fallback position 1C) Josh Naylor or Xavier Edwards...unless they're willing take a lesser AA position prospect in order to get Patino No way the Padres will trade Mackenzie Gore. Not sure how much rope Luis Urias has left at second, he's been up to the majors 3 time now and has struggled offensively all three times, but very nifty defensively. Considering he's still ranked as one of the Top 20-25 prospects in baseball, moving him would be a shocker.

Anderson and Robert both 1/4 with a strikeout and run scored, they'll each get at least one more at-bat in this marathon battle of attrition, trailing 10-9 now in the bottom of the 7th. Timmy just lined out to 2B. So Anderson now 8/23 on his rehab assignment so far. Zack Collins is having a nice game, 3/4, up to 872 ops. Madrigal 0/3, down to an 886 OPS. Will get on more at-bat in the top of the ninth, third up. Barons trail 2-0 defensive/pitching-minded game.

McDowell wouldn't last more than 2-3 weeks. He'd be way too quick to criticize the performances, especially from the pitching staff, as well as pitch calling.

Someone had a picture up at Twitter...or it was in another thread. https://mobile.twitter.com/Dzikhead/status/1155590144931614721

Anthony Kay, a 2016 first-round pick, was considered the Mets’ most ready pitching prospect, but has struggled since being called up to Triple-A earlier this season. Kay is 1-3 with a 6.62 ERA in seven starts. Woods-Richardson was selected by the Mets in the second round of the 2018 draft, and is 3-8 with a 4.25 ERA with Single-A Columbia. Joel Sherman‏认证账号 @Joelsherman1 Told the whole trade is Kay/Woods-Richardson for Stroman. #Mets #Bluejays Gee, it would have been nice if we could have beaten out the Blue Jays with an offer from our formerly #1 farm system (which is completely bereft of starting pitching prospects at the moment)...because we, ahem, need starting pitching desperately in order to compete with the Twins and Indians in 2020, unless we are going to completely write it off as well.