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http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2...boston_r_1.html We now have an extremely young and talented Venezuelan future CFer who has some real pop...and that quality will play much better in USCF than a BradleyJr. Or Robles.

Or they form the super pen of all-time with Burdi, Kopech, Nate Jones, Fulmer, Hansen, etc. All starters out of games from the 5th inning on. Feel bad for Saladino, but he might still end up at 3b again...at least this year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-education...WQDBHNlYwNzcg-- Wanted to repost the original Passan article that gives more of a "real feel" for Moncada, his background, and what to expect... He takes walks and "the poor man's Mike Trout" are obviously two things to be excited about.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) Please trade Quintana to Washington. It makes sense to White Sox fans, baseball insiders and GM's, but would their fans perceive him as so much better than Gio Gonzalez? You can get one of their big two, but probably not both...meaning the secondary pieces would be critical.

Makes for an interesting situation with Abreu now. Where do you actually play Moncada? 2b, 3b? One would think the dynamic nature of his game would be limited by a LF assignment in USCF.

All depends who the third/possible fourth guys from the Nats would be...haven't heard much, if anything, on that front.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:57 AM) Yeah, I doubt that Boston will trade Benintendi after the way that he played down the stretch. I'd be happy with Bradley, Moncada, Kopech, Devers, and a lesser minor-league outfielder for Sale and Melky. That would address CF and 3B through 2020. Is Melky Cabrera or Jones really going to get Moncada or Benintendi added?

Can anyone live with a deal that gets you Devers and Kopech but no headliner other than BradleyJr.? Who would the 4th/5th piece have to be in that scenario? Groome, Basabe, Swihart, Rodriguez, Owens, etc.?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/america-pay-...-100000736.html Will America pay to protect Trump-branded buildings all over the world? Will (no longer officially working for the campaign) Trump advisors continue to make ill-advised remarks like "Screw 'em!" when dealing with the Chinese in the media? Will there be a war between the two administrations before January 20th rolls around? https://jtf.org/trump-threatens-35-import-t...total-disaster/ Will Trump have to "win" every deal with companies looking to move operations abroad...forcing costs on American consumers to skyrocket but "preserving optics" of fighting for the American worker? And how long will GOP Congress sit idly by (or even Mitt Romney) while free market capitalism, philosophy of no government intervention, MNC's and their related PAC's are trampled on?

Unless you can get Swanson or Bregman. The trade's easier to sell if the fans can see one key piece making an immediate contribution, particularly an everyday player at a key position on the field.

How many bats other than Encarnacion are left on the market? The cost savings as well as the age advantage are worth $35-55 million alone...and signing him's (EE) going to cost a pick or picks...so isn't a hitter in the prime of his career a pretty darned valuable asset if you take off your WAR-colored glasses?

If they're going to compete with Arenado and Carlos Gonzalez, this is their last shot at it. Makes some sense, with the DBacks and Padres retrenching. Of course, that still leaves the Dodgers and Giants to beat.

It almost feels like we're going more in the direction of the Expos/Marlins under Loria after overspending for a decade (compared to results/WAR/incoming revenues). Between being penned in by the Cubs and needing to be terrible for a couple of seasons to accumulate 2 more Top 5 draft picks, it's a logical enough direction just to slash payroll to 2005 levels and hope to ride out the storm to where you can put out a decent product on the field in 2019 and then legitimately compete for a playoff spot in 2020 (Of course, that would be 12 seasons in between playoff appearances, while the Cubs are expected to be in Year 4/5 of their run.) That means someone like Robles (just as an example) would be arriving anywhere from mid 2018 to the beginning of the 2019 season.

Would love a GELATO about now...

Let's be honest. The real problem is that we've been so conditioned to reading packages ever since July where 4-7 players come back for Sale that there's the psychological reflex to think we're getting the short end of the bargain. Especially those examples from the Red Sox, Dodgers and Astros. So if we're "only" getting three players and the 3rd isn't one that everyone had their hearts set on (another "untouchable" as the 3rd piece), then a lot of people will get very upset because many were expecting Moncada or Benintendi/Devers/Kopech or Groome or Bellinger/Alvarez/Verdugo/Calhoun+ (Puig), etc. You can have a huge number of players acquired, like White Flag, and only Foulke and Howry had much of an impact after Caruso's initially fairly promising rookie year. You can be the typical Cubs' fan and think that including 5-7 prospects rated 8-24 in your system is someone magically a formula to acquire nearly any player on the planet.

Let's equate Robles to Sammy Sosa, and Giolito to Wilson Alvarez, just for argument's sake. How much more is Sale worth now than Harold Baines (a DH) was back in the late 1980's? In the end, the only thing that matters is that both players make it and are All-Star contributors or just below. Both would really have to make it, if the 3rd/4th pieces aren't significant or high risk/bust rate types. And you'd have to be 100% confident Giolito's TJS will hold up with his mechanics/delivery (calling PTAC analysis) going forward. You can make an argument that Giolito could put up a higher WAR in 6-7 years than Sale in 3, but that's not going to be worth very much in terms of improving the future of the White Sox franchise if Robles is a bust or ends up more like Buxton (so far) or Cameron Maybin (2-3 WAR) than, let's say, Adam Eaton. That said, the potential of a game-changing outfield talent with 4+ tools is extremely exciting (granted, you can argue Eaton's close already)...but the bust rate on those guys is particularly high, if you were to go through the last 20-30 of BA Top 100's and look at all the "five tool" players (especially outfielders) and assess how many of them actually put it all together as players and realized their immense potential.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 10:54 PM) Every year I'm shocked at fans pretending they know the value of a player more than the people that actually male a living doing it. For a trade like this, if you're not getting a Turner, you'd hope to be getting three guys who can really make an impact...for example, Colon for Cliff Lee, Sizemore and Brandon Phillips. Obviously, Sizemore's career was cut short by injuries and Phillips only really succeeded after leaving the Indians, but that's what we need. At this point, Escobar and Cain for Greinke feels more like the return (partially because of the risk/uncertainty associated with TJS). In the end, it was a net positive, but you have to get at least TWO contributors at 3-4 WAR and above for it to really make sense for the Sox. And Greinke was MUCH closer to free agency/more expensive in terms of his contract at that point.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 10:49 PM) Stop bringing up the Sox's history with developing position players if you're not going to acknowledge the fact that they have a new Scouting Director and an almost entirely new player development department. Other than Chris Getz, what has changed...other than recycling coaches to different positions within the organizational hierarchy? Based on his lack of experience compared to others in similar positions, it's hard to feel extremely confident...unless it's based on, well, it can't be any WORSE than it has been the last decade, right? Or can it? How much say, if any, does Hostetler have on that side of things? We really just don't know enough...so, in that case, it's hard not to feel past/recent history isn't at least one legitimate concern based on track record or lack thereof (in the case of Getz).

Lopez and Glover are off the table, supposedly. Fedde? Would we really take two TJS guys...Hahn is Mr. Risk-Averse, typically. Severino? Michael Taylor? All things considered, there's a lot of risk associated with both Robles and Giolito (not to mention the White Sox not developing Latin American players internally since Carlos Lee and Ordonez almost two decades ago)...it feels like a 75% chance they regret it, of course, nobody has a crystal ball to predict the future.

Who are the lower level piece/s or possibilities again? ESPN's reporting two of them are supposedly not involved (along with Turner, obviously).

Where's the KW book on how he was behind the Eaton, Tim Anderson and Abreu moves?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:59 AM) For his next trick, Trump will be selecting Tea Leoni as SoS because she is in a show called Madam Secretary. Love putting Carson into a position where he himself says he isnt ready for. wheeeeeeeeeeeee lets go this is fun He won't even admit whether he stayed in Section 8/public housing or not. Should be one of the more entertaining confirmation hearings...especially if we get into aliens, grain storage, the pyramids and his 1% buddy through whom a lot of the family money is invested (mostly real estate) being shielded from Federal health care fraud proceedings. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-adviso...-112250866.html Trump advisors aim to privatize oil/natural gas rich Native American reservations. Why do I see the next Michael Moore doc coming out of this?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 08:23 AM) Trump’s Taiwan phone call was long planned, say people who were involved Apparently, the Heritage Foundation was heavily allowed, along with one of Dick Cheney's former national security advisors in Stephen Yates (currently vying for administration position.)

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) That seems to be the size of it. They keep their jobs with mediocre seasons, why threaten them with a risky rebuild unless it involves "sure things". Aggravating considering Hahn and co are a lot better at evaluating minor league talent than major league talent. Based on Tim Anderson and Adam Eaton and this year's draft class?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 11:13 PM) Lot of talk about Puig. Why do we want to trade Abreu so bad and deal FOR Puig? I thought we only wanted minor league prospects in rebuilding. Puig is 25 and a big leaguer. Abreu is only 29. Why not keep them both? Selling tickets. Potential rebound to be flipped for younger assets at the deadline or offseason next year.