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Having a precious 17 month old son, I can't imagine what it would be like to lose him at any point in the process, from the moment we discovered my wife was pregnant until today...

And that's where we are at for entertainment now? In the end, the Angels and White Sox both failed to surround their superstars with enough talent. Kalapse punking everyone in the Gonzalez thread is more "must see" than the White Sox offense. At this rate, Adam Engel will be promoted next week along with Burdi as the next saviors.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/sort/WARBR/order/true Oops. We were right on Lincecum. But not so much on Avi Garcia and Erik Johnson, etc. Carson Fulmer was clearly rushed, etc. When you're wrong more often than right, you're a .500 team, at best. In the end, we usually look more like the Island of Misfit Toys.

Well, when the potential trade return for Miguel Gonzalez is the highlight of the trade deadline, there's not so much to celebrate. It's also not like Fulmer is close to ready or worth celebrating. Finally, if James Shields pitched in his first 3-4 starts like he has recently, the White Sox might still be in the wild card race.

You can't put Obama ahead of Reagan or Truman until the effects of his policies are clearer. Was Obama truly transformative...changing the entire spirit of the country after the 70's? Did he work effectively with the party? Did he have the opportunity, realistically, to do so? Clinton, it's probably a wash but ultimately the advantage goes to Obama due to the recovery from Great Recession and Monica Lewinsky derailing final term. FDR, no comparison. It would also be hard to pick Obama over JFK, but that's an argument that has two compelling sides for scholars.

Hayes isn't really (still) a propect at this point...

Frazier Cabrera Robertson Nate Jones Duke Gonzalez Lawrie (DL) Navarro (minimal value) Austin Jackson (August) Sale and Q The problem is that Fulmer can't be throwing/slinging 90-92 mph out of the bullpen like Tyler Danish. And Burdi, Collins and Hansen all need to make significant impacts. Adams, too. Otherwise, you're relying on Hahn to "win" nearly all of those trades, which is way too much to expect.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/oba...tter/index.html How Obama made GOP jealous.... Hilarious twitter quotes, wondering how Obama became Reagan and sounded more like a Colin Powell Republican whereas their own candidate is a mix of Mussolini and Putin.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 11:49 AM) From nowhere to President. How is that a good thing? The dude sat on the sidelines, did dick all for years, and then popped up with a bunch of propaganda and empty promises. Hillary has an incredible history of involvement and accomplishment. Bernie had nothing. What a story! You're actually making an argument against Ms. Clinton here, whether you realize it or not. How could a 70+ year old socialist/marxist/communist from a state almost nobody has ever been to make it such a horserace....dwarf her fundraising in number of total donations...with almost zero name recognition coming into 2015, and do so much damage when the race should have been over after the first 4-5 primaries and caucuses? The problem for her is that to this day, despite 24 years in the spotlight, many Americans are still unsure of exactly what she has accomplished (that she can legitimately take a large amount of credit for)...for example, if you were to poll the first ten random people on the el tmrw morning and ask them what are Hillary's three main accomplishments, how would they answer? And you act like it's Sanders' fault that he ran such a surprisingly effective campaign and got five out of every six young people...male and female....on his side. This from a balding old guy who slogs through speeches with a strong accent and could easily be a cast member of Seinfeld...we're not talking Mario Cuomo/Jesse Jacksonesque oratory with JFK Jr. looks here.

Which speech? The one this upcoming Thurs?

The whole Robin is the one that has to fight for us in that department...that he (Ventura) was essentially "selling out" by backing ownership/marketing over the concerns of players that were clearly expressed on multiple occasions before that day? Curious the spin is defending Sale more than backing Ventura/Hahn.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) Again, my apologies. But also, WTF. Your life is fascinating. One of my best friends graduated from NU and Harvard Law, same class. Her two least favorite people from her entire time there, Hahn and Ted Cruz. Not going to go into specific stories, but she's always been a great judge of character. Impeccable would be the best adjective.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 03:13 PM) Pass. I wish some NL teams would get into the game here...but it doesn't appear that they will. Houston and Boston look like the possibilities. Those 2 teams have the GMs most willing to pay a haul (edge there to Boston, but Houston has certainly paid high prices for players recently). And they have position prospects. Prefer a position headliner to pitcher because, in the end, what do we want out of the pitching...another Sale or Q? Well, we have that bird in the hand. And I'd rather Sale/Q pitch for Houston...it will be a touch nauseating seeing either with Boston. Arenado has 3 years left after this year; same as Sale. You have to get some quantity if you're dealing Sale...ML ready prospects and some lower guys. Plus, the Frazier-Arenado upgrade is much less than the Sale-AAAA pitcher downgrade will be. Depends what you get back for Frazier....Arenado and Fulmer/prospect hopefully provides more upside, but you never know. Just that you absolutely can't win with this tepid offense on a consistent basis.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) If they are willing to send them here in a Josh Hamilton type deal, sure. If it means us taking less of a return on another deal, no way in hell. That's the move they trade Frazier and get Sandoval for practically nothing and can theoretically compete next year with Jones, Burdi, Kopech and Fulmer.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) You are the ultimate downer on this board and I think it's pretty clear at this point you don't like the White Sox. I understand not liking the Sox organization, but your constant underrating of Sox players and love fest towards other teams or players is laughable at best and old schtick at worst. Chris Sale is a HoF pitcher. The Sox aren't taking Pablo f***ing Sandoval back in a deal. I don't like Hahn for personal reasons that go all the way back to how he treated people at Harvard Law...but mostly because he has done a pretty lousy job. I don't think Ventura is the best manager for the future of this organization. I have never underrated Sale or Q. The Q package would include Robertson and return Moncada, Benitendi, Kopech, Eduardo Rodriguez and Rusney Castillo with huge cash susidy for remaining dollars on that deal.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) Quoted the wrong post. If the Red Sox say they need to include Castillo or Sandoval in a trade for Chris Sale, the Red Sox might as well pony up their Top 10 or just hang up. That was in addition to Moncada and Benitendi as one of the additional pieces, fwiw.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) So all they should do is concentrate on their job and not anything else. Actually, paying clubbies, IS PART OF THEIR JOB. How idiotic they want to make sure the money is going where they intend it to be going. What complete morons and idiots. How come you don't live by this credo? Let's just put Eaton in charge of the entire union if he's such a fighter for injustice...that way the White Sox can make up for JR's waning influence.

Was the perception that Shelby Miller would overly excite the AZ fanbase?

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:37 AM) Is that even enough? Cubs just gave up a top 25 and top 75 prospect for .5 years of Chapman. If the Sox trade Sale now (3.5 years of control) as opposed to say a year from now (with 2.5 years), when he'd still yield a huge package (assuming he's healthy, etc.), are they really getting extra value? Seems like there might be some diminishing returns built in there. Too bad we can't trade a year of Sale to 3-4 different teams.... 2 months plus post-season plus hgher probability of keeping him in 2017 if he fits in well

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) They'll get Quintana and Robertson in a deal. Do they need Frazier as well? I can't remember how 3B is for them? Blockbuster involving Q, DRob, Frazier for Moncada+ Travis Shaw/Moncada/Sandoval

Why don't the Rangers, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Indians, Orioles or Astros care enough about this issue to protest? I guess we win the most politically active/protesting award for the AL this year.

Beane.... They will never in a million years give up Betts, Bradley, Jr., or Bogaerts in season. Perhaps they'll throw in Castillo and eat the majority of his salary...or Sandoval...leaving the Sox free to trade Frazier as well. Doubt they'd have much interest in Sandoval, though.

Candelario?

Right now, the legacy of this season is Drake LaRoche, Tim Anderson, Adam Eaton and Sales's performance as well as behavior. It would behoove Hahn to do something in the next week to give the fans a reason or two to feel positive heading into 2017, as it's unlikely to occur on the free agency market.

Nobody has ever complained it was unfair to pay Keppinger, Bonifacio, Rollins or Morneau, etc., those salaries. On the other hand, Alexei was underpaid quite clearly...until they corrected it. At any rate, it continues the emerging storyline the Sox are not focused due to peripheral/off the field issues, when getting back into the Wild Card race would have been the sole driver for a winning organization. All we seem to get these days are distractions, and not entirely positive ones.