caulfield12

If you're the Yankees, who would you be willing to accept from the Sox for Gardner? Same thing with for Taylor/Nats...Adams and Hawkins? He was the 38th rated prospect in baseball a year ago. Profar in the outfield? There has to be someone.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:13 AM) I still doubt he can win. With the field this wide, the problem Trump has is that he's got a rabid following, but people who aren't within that following won't go to him as candidates drop off. It's polar when it comes to Trump. Iowa will cause some candidates to drop off, but those votes won't be distributed evenly. Nate Silver's new premise....GOP establishment is even more concerned with Cruz winning http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/one-bi...tical-of-trump/

Well, everyone in NY is reporting he's going to be talking to the Mets again today... So we made a three year offer for how much...? $60 million? $55 million?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:04 AM) I believe we were making our final offer last night, so it's possible they are. According to....?

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:01 AM) Three year deals are right up our alley, why wouldn't we be all over this!? If the Mets are offering 3 years/$65-75 million and opt-outs, what would the Sox realistically have to bid to beat that?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball...ticle-1.2505462 Roc Nation reached out to Yankees in the last 24 hours as well, definitely is doing everything possible to stay in NYC and drum up the best offers from Mets and Nats. Seems the Yanks wouldn't come up with a three year counter-offer to the Mets...at least not with Gardner on the roster and Beltran as well.

Brewers really make little sense here...

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-nationa...t-for-nationals Why Cespedes is and isn't a good fit for the Nationals... Tough choice, $65-75 million for three years from the team he really wants to stay with and coming back into the teeth of the 2018 FA class or the bigger/longer offer from the Nats, where he would also likely end in CF playing next to one of the game's two best players. http://nypost.com/2016/01/21/why-nats-woul...orst-nightmare/ Mets will talk to Cespedes again on Friday.

And this show of power is necessary to do without sending a PM? Okay...but other posters can deliberately just make up things I never even said and attribute them to me like gospel and that's perfectly fair? Got it. Glad you enjoyed putting a 46 year old in his place in cyberspace. Yay for the younger generation!

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 07:02 PM) This thread is about Cespedes. Stop bringing up other things. Excuse me for having the mistaken belief that Cespedes had signed with someone finally. Are you also going to censure or admonish hi8is publicly for causing everyone to have a heart attack? Sigh.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 06:35 PM) Yep afraid to admit a massive scouting mistake. I also have no doubt they don't play the system with the draft picks like the Astros did last year. Adams would seem to be one of the exceptions there...whether that was attributable to scouting or extra money in the pool, it's a bit difficult to assess. And, as far as international signings, perhaps the "overnight sensation" expectation of Adolfo were too high simply because you look at him in terms of physicality and he looks like he's ready to play in the big leagues right now...like LeBron in middle school.

hi8is has gone crazy this month... Granted, as one who gets emotional from time to time, he's REALLY taking this hard. In the back of your mind as a White Sox fan, you have to be conditioned to at least expect to be disappointed and then it's easier to be pleasantly surprised. The last time I was REALLY excited about the White Sox was heading into 2009 after the 2008 playoffs and we had Beckham and Viciedo on the horizon. Probably followed more Barons games that year in the first half than White Sox games in the second half this year. Of course, almost all of the touted prospects from that team have fallen off the face of the earth. As far as Cespedes goes, it's safe to say he's probably not going to put up another 6 WAR season. He's much more likely to be at 3-4. That would be worth roughly $24.5 per year (avg. war of 3.5) on the FA market, or basically $98 million for four. Anything over 4 years or $100 million and the White Sox should turn somewhere else. The end.

What happened? He FINALLY officially signed with someone? That would lead to approximately 150 more pages of posts, lol...

Jackson was a fourth outfielder last year but he's still very young and was a starter his entire career until his anemic July 2014 got him traded by the Tigers.

What happened to bucket? Any secondary confirmation we are actually in on Fowler?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:48 PM) The Sox will go more than 3 years for their own players. They are worth more to the team than a new player. But David Robertson fits into that scenario how exactly?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:45 PM) Why would the Sox be considering giving up a draft pick for an IF who has a career 99 OPS+ and had an 80 OPS+ last season? I've seen his name mentioned several times but I'd rather see what Saladino can do. Sign Fowler if he'll take a 3 year deal. How large is the improvement over 2b, SS and 3b last year? What about WRC+?

QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:40 PM) It should be, but fans want the numbers, and don't care about the rest. Until it's May, things aren't going well, and everyone is freaking out about 4 more years of Cespedes. Exactly when in this current plan can fans reasonably expect to compete for the playoffs again?

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) Take a look at his previous three seasons. Unlike you, I don't view things in a vacuum to fit my narrative. There's no vacuum. This is the going rate for free agents. Why is it shocking? Didn't we experience it firsthand last offseason? Look at those ridiculous pitching contracts. You don't develop your own players and have a borderline third quartile payroll and bottom quartile farm system, it's not the best situation to extricate yourself from...where most spending and trading becomes counterproductive but standing pat like a shark that stops swimming and floats to the bottom.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:32 PM) True. It's not like the Sox targeted improving at 3B or Catcher or anything. The only move that matters is an OF improvement. But the problem here is we were passed by Detroit, and still have to catch KC and Cleve...and just might be even with the Twins, who happen to have one of the better farm systems in the game again under Ryan.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) What would be disappointing is Hahn throwing $150M at Cespedes for him to be a slightly better than average player. $7-7.5 million per WAR is the going rate now for free agents. Last year, that would have been worth $40-45 million alone. If he averages a 3 war, that's what is considered fair value these days.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) Oh it's disappointing for sure, but the White Sox don't give out large contracts. It's just not what they do. Incredibly disappointing, incredibly unsurprising This. Someone said we're one of three teams in MLB history never to give out $70+ million to one player....I hope it wasn't $100 million.

Hahn's fake three year negotiating position is really paying off, though.

Done to where? Nationals?

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:09 PM) If he had so much value to them, they wouldnt be going after Cespedes. They will try to sell Werth and/or Zimmerman like we did LaRoche...not forced to dump a Top 50 prospect who flashed lots of positive signs before fading. Keep in mind, they're $30 million under last year's budget.