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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) Sale, Anderson, Fulmer, Adams for Harper. Who says no? If you could guarantee they'd still spend money to fix the huge pitching hole over the next three seasons....otherwise, it would be like Trout these past few years in Anaheim. You'd only have him three years at highest arbitration level salaries and then lose him.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) IF the Nats do sign Cespedes for some reason, I would love for the Sox to try prying Taylor off them. He would be a fantastic 4th OFer option. He still would cost Adams at a minimum, plus. Avi, on the other hand....

QUOTE (staxx @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 12:56 PM) Not at all. No one ever expected or thought we could sign Cespedes this offseason. Getting Frazier and Lawrie has been fantastic along with the C change. Id give it an B+ right now, with a solid A/A+ if Cespy signs. A-/B+ for now, but D/F for long-term if nothing else is done because they underestimated difficulties of coming up with value signing or trade/s for an impact bat to really make them competitive. From a fan excitement standpoint, maybe B-. It's hard to be elated giving up high draft picks (for Fowler) and still barely be in the conversation for third place. Like the Orioles still being fourth in AL East WITH Davis, we have more financial flexibility but you still have to pick the right guys (at some point), who also have to actually available...

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:33 AM) Who cares? Then why spend over 300 pages discussing someone who doesn't even play for the White Sox if it's so inconsequential?

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:32 AM) @devinlintaoNY Early morning news: The #Nationals offer is not a good one, #Mets and #WhiteSox could make an offer by day's end. I would be skeptical of any message coming out of NY since their agenda is obviously seeing him back with the Mets.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:20 AM) Can you show me one marketing department in sports who has ever tried to use fangraphs projections as a means to sell anything? Just stop. What are the marketing department's three top talking points for today's efforts to drum up season ticket interest?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:23 AM) Never said you did, but you mentioned the buzzkill and the hopelessness.You did state with #6 in your Royals manifesto how Fowler could be a good signing for them. Of course, now he would be a horrible idea. Ralph Garr, BB Richard, Alan Bannister, Jim Spencer. Yes, after the compensation draft pick period expires. Now that they've lost it for Kennedy, they might just go ahead and sign Kendrick, Desmond or Fowler the same way we lost two lower picks last year. I never once said sign him if it means losing the pick.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:23 AM) Are you literally insane? How many times have you suggested a marketing department could use advanced metrics as part of a sales pitch? I think you're up to five this offseason alone and every time you look more ridiculous when you say this s***. That's the point. When arguably the best sales/marketing point is something 95% of Sox fans have no clue about, you're swimming in some troubled waters. You tell me...you're calling past season ticket holders today and convincing them to return to the fold, what would your three top arguments be? Todd Frazier....and?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:16 AM) Signing Fowler also improves the team WAR. The catastrophe of not getting Cespedes is way overblown. He's clearly the better player, but there are other ways to win. Jim Essian, Kirk McCaskill, Kevin Bell, Todd Cruz (wanna buy a watch), Tex Wortham. So do Desmond and Jackson. Your point? Once again, where did I equate signing Fowler with 90 losses? Please find the quote. Gordon Beckham, John Danks and Ubaldo Jimenez are Golden Gods.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:11 AM) You of all people should know how bad those Fangraphs predictions are for the Royals. I wouldn't put any stock in them there. Yes, but that's perhaps the only thing on the marketing department's side right now...claiming the Royals were lucky two seasons in a row is getting to be a more difficult sell.

And whose children out of all those 3.5 million plus fans going through the Wrigley turnstiles this year are going to be cheering for the White Sox over the Cubs?

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:01 AM) To fit an agenda? I guess hyperbole, joking and sarcasm are lost these days on White Sox fans. Just because you take a position that signing Fowler would be dumb means you've consigned them to the Seventh Circle of Dante's Inferno.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 07:58 AM) Sox sign Cespedes...possible WS team. Sox sign Fowler, probably the worst team in the division. Will lose at least 90 games. Sometimes if you look at it actually written out, you MAY see how silly it really is. Shawn Abner, Luis Alvarado, Mike Andrews, Ed Herrmann. I'll quote Cali. You can have $1.6 billion if you can pull the quote where I ever stated/claimed/asserted signing Dexter Fowler equals 90 losses? C'mon, you're supposed to be better than that. Nobody ever said sign Cespedes for $150 million. It was always something like $85-110 million. And yes, if signing Upton made the Tigers World Series contenders, why wouldn't signing Cespedes accomplish the same if the White Sox were the better team last season and also upgraded three other offensive positions? Aren't we 2 games ahead of the Royals for fangraphs projections? Cespedes would put us ahead of Detroit.

Why has Reinsdorf never purchased his own radio station for that very reason...? Just curious. This is starting to make sense...free advertising. All the media jumping on the case of JR, Hahn and KW was the main strategy of planting all the Sox rumors from the beginning and now backtracking...all publicity (especially free) is good publicity!

Anything to pad the post counts with the hopes of one day getting my own personalized comment like Fathom and Greg got. That whole third base coach moniker is kind of lame. I have a suggestion. "Lowest cumulative star rating of top all-time posters." Kind of like the best shi---est bar lifetime achievement award...well, close to a decade at least. Least favorite poster of Dick Allen, Kyle and Northside would be cool, too. Buddy of The Ultimate Champion and nemesis of Marty34...

Cooper is Cooper. It's not going to keep anyone from attending a Sox game, except for those who weren't inclined to go in the first place and were deliberately looking for something to faux rage against. Non-issue. Moving on....

SoxFest will be SnoozeFest at this point, unfortunately. Frazier will get some coverage, and that will be about it....along with Benetti/Stone. They seem to be hitting it off well.

If we're going to attribute something to Rabbit (or not), it would perhaps look a bit more professional to use his real name just like Cotillo, Murray, Rodriguez, Sanchez, etc. Sounds like our source was a hit man on WhiteyBulger's Boston townies crew.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 07:16 AM) lol, says the guy with three consecutive posts CF12-ed Can I trademark that? Because the White Sox are skinflints/JR is cheap/franchise is doomed and Nero is playing his fiddle storyline is more fun to banter about than convincing ourselves how great an addition Dexter Fowler will be and how we've gotten temporary amnesia about rebuilding the farm system.

Just putting it in perspective...kind of pathetic that we're going to be fortunate to come out of this with Austin Jackson after all the hype and build-up. According to Harrelson, the presence of Frazier in the line-up alone will make Avi a 30-30 threat again.

Altar... http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/01/20/forbes...-valuable-team/ Bulls worth $2.3 billion, third most valuable franchise in NBA. If you add up all the NFL teams, with the Rams now doubling in value and third highest after Cowboys and Pats...NFL is worth $64.85 billion. NBA at $37.65 billion. Last year, MLB was $36 billion and that will be updated by Forbes this spring so they will be ahead of the NBA but should jump to mid $40's in March. White Sox were 16th at $975 million. Combined White Sox and Bulls, would be one of the top six in the world along with Yankees, Man U, Real Madrid, Cowboys, Patriots...ahead of Knicks and Lakers.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/20/wilpon-steinb...es-sweepstakes/ Yankees pretending to join Cespedes hunt... https://mobile.twitter.com/MibeltRodriguez/...994285467504642 Mibelt claiming the offer of five years for Cespedes will now come from a mystery team...

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/washing...osenthal-012016 If the Mets and White Sox are both limiting this to three years, there's almost no way he would choose the Sox over the Mets...looking at it realistically. What are the odds we'd offer a 10-15% premium on the Mets' best offer?

The other issue with Abreu is his size...guaranteeing a long-term extension for a huge 1B that puts so much pressure and stress on his knees and feet/ankles into his 30's might not be the ideal solution for the organization either, as almost all of his value is going to have to come from his offensive numbers. More importantly, it's kinda backwards thinking. Well, we probably won't compete until 2017 if we don't do something dramatic, but we need to worry about what happens with Abreu or Eaton in arbitration, retaining Sale or dealing with Boras/Rodon in 2019/2020. It's much more likely the White Sox can actually afford Abreu if they maximize their revenues over the next two seasons instead of decreasing them.

Here's another way of looking at it... If Arne Harris was the producer of Sox broadcasts during that time and spent half the time zeroing in on the cutest girls wearing the least amount of clothing in the bleachers (shower shots!) and a bunch of frat nerds drinking Budweisers and not talking about the game, would that have moved Sox attendance one iota? Or would that have increased the negative association with USCF (see William Ligue incident) as not being a safe/family-oriented place?