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Is it true that the ref is supposedly one of the 3 best refs in the game? Saw that on the screen... Well, the NBC ratings in Chicago and Detroit just jumped up about 50% as a result of that play...

I just can't imagine if that happened in Game 7 of the ALCS or World Series and the White Sox were on the wrong side of an umpire's decision that basically took a victory away. Probably the remote would be broken or tv shattered or both.

That's a shame for the Blackhawks. Action over there had nothing at all to do with the goal scoring. In soccer, you just let the play go on if the foul/penalty is not impacting the forward attack of the ball...then you blow the whistle after the play finishes.... If that was the Miami Heat, everyone would just assume there was a conspiracy or fix to keep that team in the playoffs.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 29, 2013 -> 06:17 PM) Jones has over a month to rebound. Santiago's value is established. Might not be ideally established but 3 more good starts might bring it up a little but 3 bad ones bring it down more. He can be traded having established OK stats as a starter or reliever. If we're adding to win now look for more rent a players somewhere in this list http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthrea...-Shopping-Early If Santiago's value was 100% established, he wouldn't be pitching behind Axelrod. Because as much as they want you to believe it, that he's a "Swiss Army Knife" (Cooper's phrase), they're still basically using Santiago as the long-man and not a set-up guy. If Jones rebounds, why would you want to trade him when he's still affordable and we have a DIRE need to bullpen help in 2014. We can't fill 4-5 slots from what we have in our minor league system right now. We would be quite lucky to fill just two capably. Then you're really going to be overpaying for free agents OR going with the 2007 White Sox bullpen approach, which, trust me, you don't ever want to see again.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:53 PM) 2008 attendance: 2,500,648 2009 attendance: 2,284,163 That's for the FULL season. The 2009 season went into the tank from the time that Rios started playing like 2011/13 Dunn...and we all know Peavy's injury issues and the fact he wasn't ready to pitch when he was acquired. But there was still a lot of excitement early that summer about the team. I'm pretty sure that going into August, the attendance numbers were fairly similar, if not the 2009 pace ahead before all the wheels fell off that team.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ May 29, 2013 -> 06:25 PM) I don't expect to see Gonzalez in the big leagues this season. He's repeating AA -- and the benefits are obvious. I'm fine with letting him stay where he is -- and hoping he can help us down the road. He's been in our system so long, at some point, they'll need to make a decision on protecting him...maybe the minor league aficionados are more familiar with his exact status.

Cabrera's current pace still in Hack Wilson territory. 48 homers, 187 RBI's, .372 average (has cooled off from the .390's, lol)

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ May 29, 2013 -> 05:12 PM) If the Sox lose again on Thursday, I'm ready to try anything. What's it going to hurt? Considering his age and all-around performance, I expect Micah Johnson to get bumped to Hi-A ball soon. Maybe Phegley or Gonzalez will eventually get a chance to catch. And we have a few arms. They're not going to displace DeMichele, and he's DEFINITELY not ready for BIRM. I think they'll wait at least through the June All-Star games for various leagues before they start making more moves...as well as waiting on the draft. And there's no way Gonzalez would be anything more than a replacement for Gimenez at this point.

QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ May 29, 2013 -> 05:09 PM) If they had actually played the rain outs, this team's record could have been in worse shape. What pisses me off more than losing to the Cubs is the fact that the minor league "talent" that the White Sox has is not very exciting save for a few exceptions that won't see playing time until September. I'd rather see Phegley and Troncoso out there as opposed to Flowers and Omogrosso. The Sox don't owe the fans All-Star caliber players via trades or free agent signings, but it would be nice to see some excitement and noise made in the minor leagues. After all, they will need to adjust with Konerko inevitably departing, Dunn leaving after 2014 (thank god) and the possible Peavy and Rios trade. I'd rather look like the Oakland A's of old as opposed to the crap they are putting out there now. And I'll still show up to the games even if they suck ass because I love baseball. Bottom line, today sucked. Hopefully Peavy pitches lights out and I don't have to hear more s*** from the assclown Cubs fans tomorrow. And this was on a day that Flowers had two big hits. Troncoso vs. Omogrosso is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Neither one's in our long-term future plans if we want to have a competitive bullpen in the future.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 29, 2013 -> 05:45 PM) Playing him over Konerko today was ridiculous. Konerko kills the Cubs and we throw Dunn who cant hit anyone in the lineup. There's an unwritten rule Dunn has to play against all RHP'ers, no matter what recent results or the eye test are telling you. Career vs. Feldman Dunn 1/7 Konerko 6/22 with 2 homers But you play Dunn, of course. It would have made more sense to play Dunn in LF and Konerko at 1B, actually.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 29, 2013 -> 04:54 PM) I don't play GM much because I consider myself knowledgeable on the Sox and baseball in general but by no means do I have a firm grasp on other teams players and minor leagues. I do remember wanting Dominic Brown while he was up and down . Not sure if I actually posted it. I'm sure I posted about wanting Adam LaRoche when everyone else was pining for Derek Lee and was blasted for that opinion. I know I posted about wanting a shot at some of the Nat's prospects like Rendon before we got Gillaspie. My point being ,if we add I always think it's best to target near ML ready talent who've put up decent MiL slash lines who are blocked by talent at the ML level like Hahn did with Gillaspie .Look how Gomez is doing now after so many here thought he was crap and made fun of Hawk for touting him. Good young players seem to be available. The Twins moved 2 young CF's .We have plenty of guys we can move if need be Kepp, Axelrod , Santiago, Beckham, DeAza , Crain , Thornton, Lindstrom, Jones ,Alexei. If the season goes south I think we see at least 2 or 3 of those guys moved or even some of the higher priced guys. If Hahn can rid us of Dunn I would sing his praises forever. Good luck. Not sure why we would want to sell off Nathan Jones for nothing when he has a lot more value to us if he rebounds and can be a productive member of the bullpen. If you're dumping Crain/Thornton/Lindstrom, you HAVE to have someone besides a wing and a prayer for 2014. If we're selling Santiago as a starter and not as mop-up guy, then fine...but he's not establishing any value for a trade right now. He would be worth more if he was throwing shutouts and no-hitters in Charlotte and building up his stamina so he could immediately be used as a starter by another team. Besides the fact that trading Axelrod and Santiago forces Erik Johnson into the rotation (probably earlier than he's ready) and we still don't know what we have in Danks, either.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 29, 2013 -> 03:57 PM) Yep. Ten wins out of last fifteen is what Stone was talking about. We get shut down in game one of the four, rained out with a 2-0 deficit and then get bombed in game three. I am finding it difficult to be anything but negative and I don't like that, but losing to the Cubs for cryiny out loud It's not the losses. It's HOW they're losing to the Cubs... They've forgotten how to play baseball and regressed to the 6 games under .500 White Sox again. Glad I fell asleep when the lead was 4-2 and woke up in the 9th or I would have been more upset. As it is now, even the Cubs aren't drawing 32,000 fans for these games on a beautiful early summer-ish day.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 29, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) It was only two games. Yes, but, just when they had some positive momentum finally going, it's gone like that. Even if it didn't count, the Cubs got to Sale as well yesterday... Oakland has won five in a row, and 10 of their last 11, including two in a row over a good Giants team. If Oakland beats us up pretty good in those two series, we might be lucky to be at .500 at the end of June. A couple of days ago, it looked like 5-7-9-11 games over .500 was possible. It's still POSSIBLE. But not without defense, enough offense and a decent bullpen (before Crain/Reed).

Thanks for your help today Lindstrom, always good to let all your inherited runners score. Omogrosso doesn't even belong on a major league roster. Sigh. Every Sox minor league reliever is on notice. Perform, and you've got your ticket punched to the big leagues the 2nd half.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 29, 2013 -> 02:29 PM) As Dick mentioned, they added Peavy and Rios during 2008. Contreras was another big one where the Yankees really didn't chip in much money and all the Sox gave up was Esteban Loaiza. I'm sure the Sox could have given up a better prospect to get the Dodgers to pay for more of Pierre's salary too. They also took on most of Thome's salary too, but that was after a World Series, so it is slightly different. If the Sox feel there is value in the player and they can right the ship, they will absolutely acquire them. Not saying Weeks is going to be a target, but he really is the type of player the Sox have targeted in the past decade (going back, Liriano, Youkilis, Rios, Peavy, Putz, Dye (twice), Andruw Jones, Thome, Vazquez, Contreras, Pierzynski...the recent history of this franchise is littered with them picking up or retaining guys while their value is low and then seeing regression take place and reaping the rewards. And, on the contrary, they've been pretty good about staying away from guys when they believe the price to be too much. The only time I think they've really failed on that was Thome in 2010, because having him in the lineup over Kotsay while keeping him out of the Twins lineup is really what made the difference in the division that season. You might want to go back and check your dates. We would have won the 2008 World Series with those 2 moves, even without Quentin down the stretch, assuming Rios hit. I'm not sure how much Jones really helped...he was serviceable, but anything he did was negated by Kotsay. Rios didn't help in 2009/2011 when he was really needed. Peavy was hurt for most of his Sox career (until 2012). Javy was a huge disappointment, we would have been better off with Chris Young. Contreras was signed to a long-term deal that he never lived up to for various reasons (obviously, he won a World Series and was the best pitcher in baseball from August 05 through May 06). If you go back over that list, we didn't get anything back for any of those players, in the end. The closest was the rumored Dye/Bailey move, but Rios' mid-season acquisition in 2009 basically forced JD off the team and set back team chemistry down the stretch.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) Rios is now 2 for his last 21, and has become more pull-happy than he usually is. So much for the 18 game hitting streak. Up and down this year, although still our best hitter, by far. Can't get Rios, Dunn, Konerko and Viciedo hitterish at the same time...that's the only way they can go on an extended run of winning baseball again in the summer months.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:57 PM) I still want to know how Keppinger didn't get to first on Flowers' base hit in the 2nd. You mean 3rd?

Rios was 10/29 with 2 homers before this game against Feldman. Offense still not looking good today, besides Gillaspie and Flowers.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:51 PM) Sorry Danks, not facing a AAA team today. His stuff is just not very good, which is no surprise based on his minor league outings. Topped out at 90 MPH. When you're throwing 87-90 MPH, and your best pitch is your change-up, you have to be pinpoint with your control because there's just not that 10+ MPH differentiation in your pitch speeds that makes the fastball sneaky quick.

Maybe they can try Casper Wells instead of DeAza or Dunn against LHP. They have to try SOMETHING. Biggest hit of Casper's Sox career so far.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:42 PM) Well if you hang pitches they usually are hit hard except by the White Sox that swing right through them or pop them up. I could be wrong but it seems that s*** players really kill the White Sox. Thank god it rained yesterday or this would a tad more embarrassing. Dunn'll homer in the ninth with the Sox down 9-1 Feldman has been very good this season, FWIW. And he had a very good season in Texas about 5 years ago, which isn't easy to do. Just got caught up in the numbers game down there with all the talent they brought into the rotation. Flowers 2/2. Phegley bandwagon derailed for the moment. Everyone back to the "bench Dunn" bandwagon.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:41 PM) They took on Peavy and Rios during the season. That was coming off the 2008 playoff appearance and a bounce in attendance. With our attendance about the same as last year, we're actually down in revenue, when you consider the lowered ticket prices, Sunday family day rates, parking discounts, etc. They don't have the incoming revenues to justify adding that kind of talent long-term this season.

Great, Santiago's coming into another game that's getting out of reach, lol... So everyone can say how he pitches only in games the Sox lose, so therefore he's not any good. 6 ER in 10 IP against two below average MLB teams. Scary to think what will happen against REALLY good offenses. Oh, well, all we can do is keep trotting him out there and hope he can get it figured out...and keep building up arm strength, stamina and improved command/control. Even Feldman's taking good rips at Danks now....

Cue new thread by a certain poster about John Danks being a horrible contract extension and how KW should be fired.

You can't pitch without command up in the strike zone...and not get killed in the summer months in Chicago. Change-up with very poor location. 2nd homer of the day, 5th of year....3 of 10 RBI's today, lol.