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QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 09:01 AM) re Dank and Beckman, I am all for keeping them if we can not get good value for them. JR is faithful to his players and coaches. I really wonder if the sox org had discuss moving Dank with other team or was this a msg board wishful thinking. It does ZERO good to hold onto Dunn since he's going to leave at the end of the year as a FA. Other than protecting Konerko from having to play everyday, there's no reason to keep him...you could even argue it would be better to see what they have in Michael Taylor offensively. Save that money for next year...if they really wanted to, they could always bring Adam back in 2015, but the odds of that happening are very low.

Yeah, for some reason I was thinking Danks was off the books at the end of 2015. It's actually 2016. Still see more upside to trading him now, but it all depends on whether Cooper et al think he can retain his recent success instead of erratically bouncing around in the 4.5-5.25 ERA range for the next 2 1/2 seasons. If he's going to be a 4/5 type of starter, then you obviously are better off dumping the salary. As has been noted over and over again, the peripherals don't necessarily back up the quality starts and ERA numbers the last 6 weeks.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 03:19 PM) Saw the game on he Mariner's gamecast. Their announcers were in awe of the Sox Their 15-105 hitting performance which should have resulted in a series sweep?

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 09:39 AM) Or maybe there wasn't even talks to begin with....Or the Sox were asking for "too much" because they don't really need to deal him. On the other hand, what does holding onto Danks accomplish? We're QUITE unlikely to be competing for the division next year if we trade Ramirez...the other alternative is to spend a ton of money on catching, bullpen, the back-end of the rotation, at least one outfield position and DH. Even if that "ton" of money was there to spend, there aren't enough attract FA targets (especially at catcher) to make chasing after a select group of players worthwhile from a cost-benefit perspective in terms of intelligent resource allocation.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 09:28 AM) No it's really not. It's the same as a Sox fan expecting anything out of Tyler Danish and Spencer Adams. The Cubs have guys like Eloy Jimenez and Gleiber Torres that you could compare to Micker Adolfo but I never did that. Except I don't expect anything out of Danish other than a reliever (for the moment)...same with Beck...and Adams is way too raw to project until he's had 2-3 years under his belt. Baez, however, has severe questions about his long-term outlook not just as an infielder — he could probably do with a move to third base or right field himself — but as a major league player in general. He has been absolutely unimpressive for Triple-A Iowa this season, barely managing a .730 OPS in the hitter-friendly PCL, and he’s already struck out 103 times in 317 plate appearances. It’s not only sensible to have a fallback plan in Russell in case Baez turns out to be unable to make the leap in the way which Cubs fans are expecting, but it’s good to have redundancy like this in general. The only issue, of course, is that the Cubs still have no young pitching of note in the organization at or above A-ball outside of C.J. Edwards and Pierce Johnson, and neither of those two is anywhere near as impressive as the array of position player prospects Hoyer has drafted, signed, or dealt for. This is less of an issue if the new and improved Jake Arrieta is a legitimate ace at the top of the Chicago rotation, but we probably won’t know whether he’s just having one good season or whether he’s figured out something sustainable until sometime in 2015 (barring any earlier regression in his command and stuff).

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 09:31 AM) Thank you. Abreu is the most recent spending and in fact it was jerry that pushed the offer higher. Jerry has also shown he's willing to spend money extending players as well. The jerry is cheap comments really do get old. Generous contract extensions to Magglio Ordonez, Paul Konerko, Jose Contreras, Mark Buehrle (but not twice), Jermaine Dye, AJ, etc.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 09:23 AM) One of the main guys in the Danks for McCarthy deal is going to Yanks. McCarthy traded for Nuno. There you go. Even though the Yankees would SEEM to need a left-hander with the subtraction of CC Sabathia from the equation, they'd still prefer to take a smaller risk of $5 million on McCarthy vs. roughly $20 million for Danks in salary.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 09:03 AM) Come 2016 or thereabouts, they'll sign a couple guys to mega deals. You can't tell me that they won't have the cash. Name one of those $100+ million megadeals for a starting pitcher that the signing team would repeat if they had 20/20 hindsight over the last 10-15 years??? Tanaka's about the only one, and you probably won't be able to say that 3-4 years down the line when he inevitably breaks down or has TJ surgery.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 09:11 AM) Lots of real stupid going on in this thread. I don't understand it. The Cubs have like a $30 million payroll. I think they will spend a little this offseason and you will see Bryant, Baez, Alcantara, and probably even Russell at some point next season. The Cubs don't have any pitching thing is false as well. They don't have immediate front of the rotation pitching. They have a ton opt depth though. The Cubs don't have a Carlos Rodon but I'd argue that they have more pitching depth than the White Sox do in their system. The Cubs already had : CJ Edwards, Pierce Johnson, Duane Underwood, Kyle Hendricks, Paul Blackburn, and Tyler Skulina to name a few. In the draft they added: Stinnett, Dylan Cease, Carson Sands, and Justin Steele. They also have a couple late inning type relievers in Arodys Vizcaino and Armando Rivero at AAA Iowa. Not to mention the young bullpen arms in their ML bullpen. The big name hitting prospects are the reason why they have the #1 system in baseball but the pitching in the system is underrated in my opinion. Counting on those guys is just like a Sox fan expecting anything out of Micker Zapata. High school arms are notoriously difficult to project. Keep in mind, Straily's gone through something of an Erik Johnson season of his own. His velocity has mysteriously dipped from the 90's to around 88. Until they show the ability or willingness to sign/trade for/acquire one of the BIG FOUR (Scherzer/Lester/Shields/Price), nobody's going to buy into the Cubs Kool Aid. If you subtract Danks from the Sox rotation, they're in virtually the same place payroll-wise, but I'm sure the White Sox aren't going to be willing to give up a $100+ million contract to one of those four pitchers regardless.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 08:37 AM) Great trade. They're working on a 90s Indians or 90s Rangers type lineup. Don't be jealous, now. When it was mentioned that some might see the trade as overkill, the A's beefing up an already beefy starting staff, Beane said, "We felt like we needed two guys. Listen, one of the things I remember in 2002, when we were in that 20-game (win) streak ... is that one of the advantages we had ... was that when we ran our starting pitcher out there every single night, that starting pitcher had a very good chance of beating the other guy. When you put that kind of synchronicity together, the team can get on a roll. ... "Also, you're assuming that nobody else in the current rotation has any sort of injuries or any setback. ... We created depth by virtue of this move, and we're only halfway through the season. I just don't think in this game you can expect that every single guy from this point forward's going to start every five days, no hiccup." Beane is hiccup-proofing his club, and he's not done. He would like to shore up second base. But he can't top this trade. When Beane's career is over and the old rock 'n' roll GM releases his greatest-hits album, the title might be "Samardzija." Is it the best trade he's ever swung? I'll let you know in October. www.sfgate.com/sports (Ostler) Funny you mention two teams that never won the World Series!!! The Cubs don't have the money to pay Scherzer/Lester/Shields/Price. And maybe trading Starlin Castro will get them a frontline starter, but there are definitely no guarantees with prospects, as the White Sox learned in 2000-2001 when they had the #1 farm system in baseball. The majority of players who would end up leading the White Sox to the World Series title, other than Buehrle and Garland, Crede and Rowand...would end up coming in from other organizations (AJ, Pods, Hermanson, Iguchi, Dye, Everett, etc.) We used some of our better prospects like Jeremy Reed and Olivo to obtain Freddy Garcia, but the Cubs aren't likely to win it with a team of all youthful hitting prospects. They're going to have to pick the right players to trade (Castro, Baez or Russell...Rizzo or Schwarber....McKinney, Soler, Alcantara, Almora, etc.) The biggest problem is the pitching staff and lack of a great catcher that can allow the team to be set up in a similar way to the captain's role that Yadier Molina has assumed with the Cardinals. The Pirates have Marte/McCutcheon/Polanco and lots of young pitching, and the Reds and Brewers aren't just going to up and disappear, either. Injuries to Edwards and P.Johnson haven't helped matters. At least we have a superstar pitcher in Sale under contract through 2018 and a very solid #2 in Jose Quintana also under team control through our contention window. We also have one of the top five hitters in baseball under contract through the prime of his career in Jose Abreu. (Kris Bryant MIGHT be that player, but time will tell.)

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 07:55 AM) Always a good idea in the 9th with this talented, experienced bullpen. And who wouldn't pull one of the best hitters in MLB out of a tie game for a pinch runner! Not to mention ending the chance for him to extend his hitting streak. Oh, well.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 6, 2014 -> 05:27 AM) ........Signing Dunn, Rios, and Peavy. I think you mean taking on Rios' salary/contract obligations. Albert Belle. Manny Ramirez for $4 million/one month, haha. The offer to Tanaka.

http://www.sfgate.com/athletics/article/A-...ame-5602273.php How'd you like to be Bob Melvin breaking the news to Tommy Milone that he's going back to AAA after going 6-0 with a 2.62 ERA over his last 11 starts??

Things have changed a lot in the past few weeks. Beckham, Ramirez and Dunn are all slumping pretty badly, with Dunn rumored to have an injured hand/wrist according to DJ...who was wondering why he was even playing in Saturday's game. DeAza's value has essentially been driven down to nothing by his putrid results the first two months of the season. A lot of the value that we could have gotten out of Putnam and Belisario has also been wiped out by their each being forced into the closer's role. Nobody has succeeded in the 9th, so the idea of flipping Lindstrom/Jones/Belisario and now Putnam in July is pretty much dead. This comes on top of the failure to get anything of significance for Floyd and Crain last year. So now we're left with: 1)Ramirez 2)Danks....has to go because of peripherals returning to mean and to avoid the 4 lefties again with Rodon 3)Viciedo 4)Beckham 5)Noesi...likely to stay as there's simply nobody else for the back end of the rotation for the remainder of the season, especially if Danks is traded and no AA/AAA pitching comes back in return

Verlander, never known for his sense of humility, says the A's/Cubs trade is all about competing with the Tigers... https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-171341939.html Freep Tigers @freeptigers Follow Verlander on A's and trade: "If they want to win a World Series, they are envisioning that they have to go through us." Tigers have eliminated the A's the last two years, etc.

South Korean soccer is dead...or so say the fans https://sports.yahoo.com/news/angry-fans-de...GlkA1NNRTM5OF8x

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 05:31 PM) Great last sentence. Vissarion appears to be very 'gentle.' His talks to the people are in hushed tones. I did read something about his traveling to Italy and a few other places the past few years to "recruit members." So maybe he is doing some of the lavish thing on the side. But there's no money so I don't know where he'd get money to travel. I did read a line somewhere about people giving up their life savings when they arrive so maybe he gets that. There's not a lot of info written in English on the guy. My take is the sex thing. Surely he can have sex with any of the women he wants since he is the fake Jesus. Except Jesus never had sex, except for The Last Temptation of Christ.

Another example is Rebel Wilson, aka Fat Amy in the Pitch Perfect movie, and first seen in Bridesmaids as one of the weird roommates of Kirsten Wiig. She's a lot funnier to me than McCarthy. But a little bit goes a long ways. That Awkward Moment...C+ A Long Way Down...B- The Other Woman...C (not as funny as I thought it would be, and Kate Upton's appeal is starting to diminish for me) Transcendence...D+

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 10:11 PM) Plus he sucks. But yeah. Let's say that's a contending caliber lefty, Damaso Marte (old school) then it makes sense. Robin clearly tries to give these guys faith and confidence but it's not working. They need a real talented vet to come in and stabilize. We have plenty of vets. It's the talent that is lacking, or the talent is there and the control is lacking.

Does anyone realistically believe that Schwarber can stick at catcher? And the corollary, if he's this so-called great hitter, why would they want him to play such a stressful position? Theo will end up trading a couple of these guys for pitching prospects, most likely. It may be the prudent thing to do, but i've had people close to me die without ever seeing the Cubs win, and am friends with an 80 year old man who went to Wrigley to see the Cubs lose in the '45 series and thought they were poised to get back there the next year. He is still waiting. He now has some serious health problems and may not be around for when this grand plan finally hatches. How many more Cubs fans are going to die without ever seeing them win? truth.> algonquinmatt •15 hours ago well i guess we need to forgot rebuilding and try to freakout and buy a bunch of players because we havent won in a long time? im sorry people die, but we still need to take our time and execute the plan. top farm system in baseball by a mile haydesigner> algonquinmatt •14 hours ago Soooo… you're saying they should chuck everything and try to compete now (or next year) for the sake of your 80-year-old friend??

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 08:15 PM) It is .737 for American League left fielders this year, and that includes the playing time by backups. If you have a defender of the caliber of Adam Dunn, or Manny Ramirez, or, Justin Upton or Matt Holliday or Viciedo, they need to be a much above average hitter to make up for it. That's the only reason to put them out there. And for RF? Because you have to believe they're going to want to have the least amount of physical stress possible on Garcia, so Dayan likely would be in RF if he ends up staying in Chicago.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 05:17 PM) Well then, had no idea where this was going....Wasn't expecting a sex angle....was kinda waiting for a presidential angle. Well, other than the fact that this guy isn't eligible to run for the presidency in the U.S., that would be tough. Maybe he's writing an anti-Hilary screed? Sounds more like David Koresh mixed with the Manson Family and Unabomber, with a little Ken Kesey thrown in for good measure.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 05:13 PM) He was in to face Cano only, and then Putnam was going for the save. You know, the guy you said Robin was stupid not to use instead of Petricka a couple of weeks ago. Things change a lot in two weeks. Gordon Beckham and Dayan Viciedo were dramatically different hitters a couple of weeks ago. Putnam still had at least a modicum of confidence from all of his success in the set-up role.

He should move to southwestern China and join the Mosuo tribe. "WALKING MARRIAGES" One of the best known, and least understood, aspects of Mosuo culture is their practice of what has been termed “walking marriage” (zou hun in Chinese).[10] There is no traditional marriage in Mosuo culture. Therefore, there are no husbands or wives. The Western conception of marriage has been replaced by “walking marriages” or “visiting relations,”[11] in which partners do not live in the same household. Children of such relationships are raised by their mothers and the mothers' families. Shih (2010) is the most sophisticated anthropological account of Mosuo practices of sexual union. General practice[edit] The Mosuo have large extended families, and several generations (great grandparents, grandparents, parents, children, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, etc.) live together in the same house. Everyone lives in communal quarters, and there are no private bedrooms or living areas, except for women between certain ages (see the section on “coming of age,” below) who may have their own private rooms.[10] All on-going sexual relationships in Mosuo culture are called "walking marriages." These bonds are "based on mutual affection."[9] When a Mosuo woman or man expresses interest in a potential partner, it is the woman who may give the man permission to visit her. These visits are usually kept secret, with the man visiting the woman's house after dark, spending the night, and returning to his own home in the morning.[10] Mosuo women and men can engage in sexual relations with as many partners as they wish.[12] While a pairing may be long-term, the man never lives with the woman's family, or vice versa. Mosuo men and women continue to live with and be responsible to their respective families. The couple do not share property. The father usually has little responsibility for his offspring.[10] "It is the job of men to care more for their nieces and nephews than for their own children."[4] A father may indicate an interest in the upbringing of his children by bringing gifts to the mother's family. This gives him status within the mother's family, while not actually becoming part of the family. Whether or not the father is involved, children are raised in the mother's home and assume her family name.[10] Benefits[edit] This type of marriage practice has many positive outcomes. First, it gives both participants equal measures of freedom. It can be initiated at will and ended in the same manner. Only rarely do families become involved. If a matriarch disapproves of a “visitor,” she can make the participants end the relationship, but this seldom happens. In other Asian cultures, “marriage is seen as a group decision.”[13] China, especially, has a history of focusing more on families' ties than the individuals' and works to serve the economic and political interests of these larger parties.[14] Walking marriages, however, negate these social pressures and allow more independence[citation needed]. Another particularly important result of this practice is the lack of preference for children of a particular sex.[citation needed] For example, in most cultures in the region, a female joins the male partner's family upon getting married.[citation needed] The result is that if a couple has many female children, they will lose them after marriage, and have no one to care for them in old age; but if they have male children, their sons (and their sons' wives) will care for them. So, in poorer populations in particular, there is a strong preference for male children. However, among the Mosuo, since neither the male nor female children ever leave the household, there is no particular preference for one gender over the other.[citation needed] The focus instead tends to be on maintaining some degree of sexual balance, having roughly the same proportion of males to females within a household.[citation needed] In situations that this becomes unbalanced, it is not uncommon for Mosuo to adopt children of the appropriate sex or even for two households to "swap" male and female children.[citation needed] Myths & Controversies[edit] Although sometimes believed otherwise by outsiders: Mosuo women are "promiscuous"?While it is possible for a Mosuo woman to change partners as often as she likes, few Mosuo women have more than one partner at a time. Anthropologists call this system “serial monogamy.” Most Mosuo form long-term relationships and do not change partners frequently.[10] Some of these pairings may even last a lifetime.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 5, 2014 -> 05:02 PM) Surkamp blows, but look at Canos splits. Does Surkamp even have any experience pitching in a save situation in Charlotte this year?