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Thought it might be easier to do it this way, and bifurcate the thread into a baseball/trade related one...and one for the off-field issues. It really is an interesting issue from a psychological standpoint, having had players like Belle, Canseco and Manny Ramirez on the team in the past, not to mention not so famous ones like D'Angelo Jimenez or Wil Cordero.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 02:41 AM) I don't know why you have the right to a legitimate defense when he was caught doing it. He did it. To the attorneys out there: If I was guilty of killing a few people in Kansas and the national media didn't give a f*** about the case, wouldn't I be tried within a month and after a trial that lasted, oh about a day, quietly be sent up the river or given the death penalty? In this case, I hate the fact it's going to be highly publicized and he's going to get a great defense team who want the publicity, etc. This man killed a f***ing 6 year old and her mother; he killed eight others, wounded 70 or something. He has no rights. Why? Cause there's no doubt. He was seen doing it. He did it. The only court case will be a bunch of made for TV crap. Damn I can't believe that coward didn't take his own life or raise his gun to a cop so he could have got Bonnie and Clyded. f***. And I dont think you have to be f***ed up in the head to do what he did. You watch pretty much any action movie and people are getting assault guns and blowing zillions away. I'm sure he just took on a character. He isn't insane. He ordered all the ammo. he's guilty; kill him please. I think I need to speak to a minister about why evil like this happens. I'm not going to argue about whether you could kill a few (2-3, by definition) and the case wouldn't become so famous. The fact of the matter is that no death penalty trial ever is over in just one day...because then the defense provided would probably be considered incompetent and the case would likely to be retried or appealed over and over again. That's why there are myriad organizations and a network of lawyers out there who exist to provide pro bono work in these situations, like the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, AL. They specialized in this...a one day trial could never occur. As far as wanting to live in a country with no rights for criminals, move to Thailand, Singapore or China and commit a drug crime. By definition, to commit an act like that, it has to be an act of insanity in a sense, even if planned out with malice and forethought. Greg, as far as your last question goes...about why God permits evil to exist in the world, it's the oldest question in the book. Many will use events like this as their reason for not believing in God. Or perhaps they feel that God doesn't exist so it's not such a harsh penalty to let the victim off easily by silent injecting him with potassium chloride and shutting down his heart. Would you feel there was justice and peace for the families at the end of that standoff had he just shot himself in head? Then, all the victims' families would spend the rest of their lives wondering why he did it. That still might happen. But the majority of the time, executing someone doesn't ever bring peace or closure because you can never bring that family member back. There are many Christians who believe that no matter what a person has done, it's not their place to judge or condemn another human being, that only God can do that. There are many passages in the New Testament...."let he who is without sin cast the first stone, judge not least ye be judged, etc." That question always gets thrown out there..."what would Jesus do?" Would Jesus forgive the shooter or condemn him to death? Well, of course, that's where you have the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" avenging God of the Old Testament. Yet they co-exist, do they not, just as peoples' reactions to these events will always differ. Inevitably, someone will say to those who want him to have a life sentence without the possibility of parole..."if it was your family member who was one of the victims, would you still feel the same way? You wouldn't want revenge? You wouldn't want the satisfaction of watching him die in front of you?" Well, believe it or not there are just as many believers as non-believers who wouldn't feel any better about watching him die. It's kind of like the idea that only through evil or bad things happening can we understand the nature of free will, grace and peace or forgiveness. Without bad things happening, how could we ever learn to appreciate good? Wouldn't life be pretty dull if God created the world and programmed us like robots to carry out his will and never to sin? Would that be pleasing? At least, that's the Christian perspective on it. Holmes had recently withdrawn from a competitive graduate program in neuroscience at the University of Colorado-Denver, where he was one of six students at the school to get National Institutes of Health grant money. He recently took an intense three-part, oral exam that marks the end of the first year of the four-year program there, but university officials would not say if he passed, citing privacy concerns. The university said Holmes gave no reason for his withdrawal, a decision he made in June. "The focus of the program is on training outstanding neuroscientists and academicians who will make significant contributions to neurobiology," the university said. The doctoral program usually takes five to seven years to complete, it said. In a resume posted on Monster.com, Holmes listed himself as an "aspiring scientist" and said he was looking for a job as a laboratory technician. The resume, first obtained by The Press-Enterprise in Riverside, paints a picture of a brilliant young man brimming with potential: He worked as a summer intern at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla in 2006 and mapped the neurons of Zebra finches and studied the flight muscles of hummingbirds while an undergraduate at the University of California, Riverside. He also worked as a cabin counselor to underprivileged children at a summer camp in Los Angeles in 2008. In a statement, Camp Max Straus confirmed Holmes had worked there for eight weeks. The camp provided no other detail about Holmes but said such counselors are generally responsible for the care and guidance of roughly 10 children. Neighbors and former classmates in California said although Holmes was whip-smart, he was a loner who said little and was easily forgotten — until this week. www.yahoonews.com

Pitcher Nestor Molina, who was acquired from the Blue Jays for closer Sergio Santos, returned to the seven-day disabled list at Double-A Birmingham because of recurring discomfort in his right elbow. Molina missed 2 1/2 weeks because of tendinitis but was shut down again after pitching two innings Tuesday. chicagotribune.com/sports There's a big surprise, Molina on the DL again.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 10:23 PM) I know I'm not the only one who couldn't understand like 40% of what the f*** Bane was saying was I? I'd say I was around 75-80%.

QUOTE (Brian26 @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 07:59 PM) I liked what I saw from Veal last night. Septimo has a little too much Marte in him. Marte was one of the best, if not THE best, LHR in baseball in 2001 and 2002 and parts of 2003 and 04. If Septimo was anywhere close to him, it would be a coup. Right now, we need someone better than Thornton, not as good as Marte was before he had a falling out with Ozzie and almost got kicked off the team until the players voted to keep him on the squad against Ozzie's wishes to release him.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 07:46 PM) Sanchez is starting to look very promising. Can he throw any other pitches besides a fastball (oops, thought you meant Salvador!)? I'm ready to look at anyone besides Beckham playing 2B. Might as well be Sanchez in late 2013.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 06:49 PM) Lot's of unknowledgeable gun people on here (not a slam by any means). StrangeSox was correct...you don’t need a license to own an NFA weapon...or a large capacity mag. Full-auto machineguns (not the other NFA devices) can only be owned by civilians if they are registered as such BEFORE May 19, 1986...they are transferable...and yes...lots of red tape. But...you can walk in and walk out with any AR or AK from any gun dealer. Hell...if you have 9-10K you can get a Barrett M82A1 50 BMG (which is my dream gun to own btw). He seemed to have a clean background check. And as far as large capacity mags...I'd be surprised if he had "several" 100-rounders. He was using an AR which you can get 100-round drum mags for. An AK can get a 75-round mag. Most AR and AK's come with standard 30-round mags. If he bought 6000 rounds and all these mags he's spent a big chunk of money. They do have things called "Slide Fires" which is replacing the stock on an AR or AK with a combo stock and grip. It's based on centrifugal force or "bump firing"...which basically makes your weapon an automatic...and it's completely legal. They go for around $350. And to answer a few responses...you can say CCW people in the crowd wouldn't have made a difference or made things worse...but I don't see it that way. And yes he was covered in Kevlar...but being a novice you're still vulnerable. We'll never know...but I can't imagine that situation. And btw...in Arizona you don't need a CCW permit for concealed carry. I just find it odd that something like this happens with all the stink about the UN Arms Treaty talk going on right now (which is gonna cause a HUGE stink soon)...kind of a CIA "false flag" scenario IMO...like a healthy Andrew Breitbart dropping dead of natural causes at 43 (who said he had bad video of Barry)...and I'll stop now with my other theories. You're serious with that last paragraph? Really? There could be shootings like this week after week after week and I'm not convinced anything would change...in fact, it would probably make it more likely that people already inclined to do so would even more fervently want to arm themselves, rather than agreeing to "disarm." Nolan on shootings: 'unbearably savage' Helmer breaks silence on Aurora massacre By Josh L. Dickey (www.variety.com) Nolan "The Dark Knight Rises" director Christopher Nolan has issued the following statement about the early Friday shooting that claimed 12 victims: "Speaking on behalf of the cast and crew of 'The Dark Knight Rises,' I would like to express our profound sorrow at the senseless tragedy that has befallen the entire Aurora community. I would not presume to know anything about the victims of the shooting but that they were there last night to watch a movie. I believe movies are one of the great American art forms and the shared experience of watching a story unfold on screen is an important and joyful pastime. The movie theater is my home, and the idea that someone would violate that innocent and hopeful place in such an unbearably savage way is devastating to me. Nothing any of us can say could ever adequately express our feelings for the innocent victims of this appalling crime, but our thoughts are with them and their families."

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 07:47 PM) Have to remember when it comes to witnesses they are crap and are the main reason innocent people go to jail, it is pretty clear Myers did hit his wife but we don't know all the circumstances around it. I don't think he is a stand up human being by any means, I'm not going to buy any merchandise with his name on it, but without knowing about everything I'm not going to call him a scumbag. I don't see how people love AJ and hate Myers though, wasn't AJ the guy when someone asked if he was ok after being hit in the nuts... he responded by hitting the guy in the nuts and asking him if it feels ok? What motivation would they have to lie, though? I could understand (sort of) if they were covering up for a Red Sox player, but why would they drag themselves in a DV situation where they might end up getting to be witnesses, etc.? Certainly, the odds of them knowing it was the MLB pitcher Brett Myers at that time...wasn't very high, unless they were groupies following the team around and ignoring the fact that he was married, but that's HIGHLY unlikely.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 04:39 PM) Yep. What struck me about the homer to Ross was the location was good. Ross just beat the ball to the spot, something you just don't see against power closers. Because he was looking for a fastball, #1. Because Reed's fastball hasn't been consistently dominant. Because most of Reed's pitches are in the same 3 out of 9 boxes in the strike zone, batters know where to anticipate the location of a pitch. Because he's been pretty hesistant recently to go with his slider...or AJ/Parent/Cooper to call for it.

And lots of abusers know how to hit women and WHERE to hit them so as not to leave visible marks or scars. In the end, it's a private matter...it could have been a one-time thing, but 90%+ of the time with DV, it isn't. I'm not saying he's evil....just that saying "well, she didn't have a black eye for two weeks" doesn't make it any more acceptable. She clearly had SOME swelling. Someone that size hitting a woman isn't going to leave her without any physical evidence of contact.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 05:07 PM) Turner will have his career best game in innings and strikeouts.....................you can see it a mile away. He's had one very good start and one terrible one. It would be pretty funny (and a bit ironic) if the White Sox got shut out tmrw and it made it actually made it easier for the Tigers to deal Turner for a better, more experienced veteran.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 05:05 PM) Replace both of them then. And DeAza, and Dunn, and Konerko, and Beckham... Realistically, the whole line-up has been pretty bad since the TUES Red Sox game. I would trade Raburn for Beckham right now and not bat an eyelash because I have more confidence of Raburn hitting with another team than Beckham ever getting it together in Chicago.

Please trade Beckham for Raburn. They both suck about equally.

LOL at Karros saying that it's a good thing the White Sox would control Brett Myers' contract at $10 million next year as a reliever. As a starter, sure. But you can't pay your closer that kind of money when you're rebuilding/retooling.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 03:57 PM) Why is everyone talking Luke we've lost this game already? All we need to do is shut them down in the 8th, score 5 in the top of the 9th, and than let Reed do his job! Because this whole weekend was predictable from the moment Matt Thornton entered the game Thursday night.

How did the last week of 2008 happen? That's what I want to know.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) I think that Thornton/Reed implosion has had a big impact Despite Addison's false bravado on the Fox interview, that game had a huge impact on this team's psyche. He can act as nonchalant as he wants, but whatever...

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) Jesus hell Viciedo. Hang your head. At least he has an RBI in this game. Gordon Beckham's MUCH worse. Porcello was 2-0 with a 1.29 ERA against us year...he's definitely continuing that same exact trend.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 03:40 PM) You are a breathe of sunshine. How is the view from the ledge. Caesar=mcgrad Has to be.

Thank god he's okay. Raburn really really really sucks.

Great start to this inning. Jesus. Sale's velocity is way down.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 03:33 PM) What happened to Beckham's power? This offense is terrible right now, and something has to be done to break up the string of righties at the bottom. Beckham's now 1 for his last 20. Ball doesn't seem to be carrying today.

Can we trade for a new offense? So we're scoring what, about 1.25 runs per game in our last 4 losses?

That's the other angle. It would be ironic if they dumped his former teammate in Gavin Floyd ($9.5 million option) for Brett Myer's $10 million, but it's not inconceivable. One wonders if KW talked to him or his agent and told him this was part of the thought process behind the trade....?

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 02:47 PM) why is that not true and the other story is? Baseball-wise, it's a good move. He's had one incident, disputed at that, I'm not going to judge the guy. Except there were many witnesses. It happened in a public place. And being drunk or bombed or lit is no excuse for ever hitting a woman, period. I hope you wouldn't accept that excuse if a brother-in-law of yours used it.