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QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jun 10, 2012 -> 05:54 AM) So they should sell each seat for a nickel, as it's worth more than a butt not in the seat. Well, the Cubs have some seats going for a penny, as do the Yankees. When you consider the person is more than likely going to buy a concession item of some sort, that nickel seat is worth a lot more than $0.00. Some of them are going to buy a souvenir item or pay for parking.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 11:00 PM) At worse. 1 game worse which would leave them a half a game out clearly not the nowhere near first you claim and if you haven't noticed they are rebuilding. Sale should make you his agent. What was the record of White Sox 5th starters from 2001-2004? So Dylan Axelrod, Terry Doyle or Eric Stults was going to go 4-2? Really?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 10:18 PM) Yeah you're right Konerko,Dunn,De Aza, Viciedo and Beckham and Rios decided fo hit when Sale was returned to the rotation. No chance they would have hit otherwise. We should just ignore the thread you started earlier this season bashing 4 of these guys for not hitting when Sale was in the rotation. Once again, you believe we'd STILL be in first place had Chris Sale missed his last 5 starts and been posing as the closer instead? True/false? You believe the White Sox wouldn't be in rebuilding mode with Chris Sale in the bullpen for the entire season and foreseeable future?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 09:29 PM) No, I don't think this is true. Wasn't your argument earlier in the season that if attendance fell to 1998 levels...or at least below 22,000 per game, that KW should be fired?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 09:29 PM) No, I don't think this is true. What do you want to do now? Move Rios back to CF? Trade Viciedo? Name KW Executive of the Year in the AL up until this point in the 2012 season? After all, how amazing is it that the White Sox are tied for the AL lead in blown saves, can't win at home, can't win 1 run ballgames, can't win in extra innings, have used 4 closers already, have 3 starting pitchers with 5.3+ ERA's, have one player on pace for 300 K's, have gotten 1 homer from the entire left-side of the infield all season and are STILL in first place on June 9th? Their third best starting pitcher is a Colombian who maybe only 5-10% of SoxTalk even could identify about 2 months ago. Kenny Williams has has a stunning 12 homegrown players on his roster this year, tied for 2nd in all of MLB. They should be building a statue for him, yes?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 07:06 PM) So you're saying the White Sox hitters went on a hot streak because Sale remained in the starting rotation? How come they weren't hot when he was in the rotation earlier? Put down the bong. If the BAD 5th starter is condusive to bad offense, how do you explain the White Sox still winning and hitting with Floyd 5.38, Humber 5.68 and Danks 5.70? And the Sox hit pretty well during the time period you mentioned. If you have good hitters, you'll probably have a good offense. And more Greg Walker? Really? None of those pitchers were AS bad as the stats you're throwing out there three weeks later look. When's the last time Danks pitched? Why didn't you include Quintana in there, who has pitched more innings that Danks recently? Yes, I'm sure there was a psychological effect on the team knowing that Sale was going to be a part of the rotation again. When the team knows it has a chance to win nearly every game a starter's out there, it helps the offense to relax and not put so much pressure on themselves. You can argue all you want that the White Sox would have gone 4-1 and would still be in first place without Sale, but you should put down the bong yourself if you actually believe that's true. He was the best pitcher in the AL this past month, no way we could have replaced that. With Sale in the bullpen, 75% of the talk around here would still be about rebuilding. Now we have good hitters? Why weren't they good last year? Which is it?

Ramirez looks 10 years younger now that he is clean-shaven.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) What concerns you so much about attendance? Great, you're not concerned and I'm the only one, lol. Glad to see you're taking a more realistic view of this season and the financial profit/loss expectations. KW can't be fired, because no amount of attendance will be disappointing. Just remember that for the times during the rest of the season when the White Sox aren't in first place.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) I have never had a problem admitting I was wrong caulfield. You are too busy writing posts where you argue your own and my case against you to notice when I do so. I'm saying that you are ripping mcneil for doing the same thing you do all the time. You pick a subject of interest within the team and spin it into a dramatic event. If you can find an instance where I do the same thing, please point it out so I can apologize for it. And again, I'm not telling you not to post. I just find it strange that you are getting angry at McNeil for doing it. Because Sale not being in the rotation in the future, at that time, WAS a dramatic event. Perhaps the most important one of the entire season. It necessitated one of the longest threads of the season here. I could find 20-30 articles from reputable baseball writers questioning the White Sox as well. It's not like I was the only one criticizing Williams. This McNeil article was written in the middle of one of the best strings this team has been on all season long, for what purpose? I don't think you can find a single comment in recent weeks where I have overreacted to anything, but you're welcome to point them out to me as well.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 09:52 PM) About right. Only the diehards. We're a first place team but the whole experience isn't worth the cost in this economy. The weather was great, so that's no excuse. Probably the dynamic pricing again, the fact that almost nobody in America knows any players on the Astros' roster, the fact that confidence wasn't very high with Gavin Floyd going. We'll see what kinds of crowds we draw Sat and Sunday, especially tmrw afternoon. If we're not 25-30,000 for Chris Sale with a first place team in June, there's something seriously wrong.

Thompson was 3/4 and still at only .218. Wow. 8 homers and 42 RBI's on the season, at least he's making his hits count, there's that. Sanchez hitting .330 but OPS still under 800. Not easy to do.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 10:41 PM) If they want more fans in the stands, put better players on the field. It will be interesting to see if there's any type of bump up at all for Chris Sale starts. If I was a Sox fan in the US, there's no way I would go to a Floyd/Humber home game over a Sale or Peavy one at this point...if I had to choose just one game to attend all season.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 10:38 PM) Spot on. Bring Youkilis in here and bat him second. Move Dunn to fifth. Move Beckham back down to eighth. And anytime Alexei wants to take his head out of his ass will be fine with me. It's June, it's warm, no more excuses. And bring in that other righty reliever, bring up another bullpen arm from the minors, and let Santiago and Stewart start in the minors. Unless they're willing to take on more salary, how are they going to pull this move off? Trade Floyd, Thornton or Crain? Well, then that just opens up holes in other places, although I'm almost willing to give another starter like Quintana a chance. You'd hate to see them trade Mitchell just when he's finally coming into his own as a baseball player for a one year rental who's just as likely to produce like Manny Ramirez in 2010 than the Youkilis of old. Plus, defensively, he's far from a sure thing at this point in his career. Williams is in a tough position on this one. And I still don't believe the Red Sox will just give away Youkilis to a potential playoff rival this year.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 10:28 PM) Being a baseball player's so tough. How can they handle it? They went to bed at 5 a.m. and have to work at 7 p.m.? Oh, the humanity! Normally, they'd have to be there around 1 p.m. Probably they skipped all the early drills and BP and rolled in around 330-430 p.m. today. But if you really think players just show up at game time for any sport, well, I'm not sure what to say.

I just can't imagine them wanting to put all that pressure on Viciedo when he's finally comfortable defensively in the outfield and improving. It's just not fair to move a guy from 3B to 1B to RF to LF. I'd actually be more in favor of moving Beckham, and finding a 2B. But it's not a good move when you're taking away a Gold Glove caliber player at his position and creating two weaknesses. If you move Viciedo, we're still not going to get much production out of Jordan Danks, and we might end up setting back Viciedo's career (again).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 08:08 PM) They are 4-1 in the games Sale has started since then. 2 wins against LAA and Min they scored 6 runs and another against Seattle they scored 4 , so I would say there's a decent chance they win those. The other against TB was a 2-1 game, so I'm pretty sure, even if you call the Seattle game a loss, they would still be close to first. Try to be more accurate instead of dramatic, you know, pretty much the same thing for which you are ripping McNeil. But you're acting like there's a vacuum in which the team would have performed exactly the same way had Sale stayed in the pen. First of all, he probably would have at least one blown save, based on his only (very shaky) relief appearance. Second, there's just no way the whole team comes together offensively without the added confidence of knowing we had an ace back in our rotation that could go out and we'd win 80-85% of the games he started. Remember the effect that BAD 5th starters had on the White Sox from 2001-2004? You can assume all you want, that we would have won those games. We can argue back and forth. I can say that the Atlanta Braves would be hitting exactly the same with ANY hitting coach in baseball, and you can't prove I'm wrong. Just like there's no way to prove that the White Sox offense wouldn't have gone on this same tear with Walker as their hitting coach, yadda yadda.

Guess it didn't really matter that the Astros arrived at 4 a.m.

Game of the mentally weak, Gavin and Alexei making two critical errors (one physical, one mental) to give the Astros a gift run. Lots of hits tonight, but haven't come through in critical situations with runners in scoring position when we've had a chance to tie or take the lead. 11 hits to 5 for the Stros. Just one of those games that go against you when you're suddenly struggling as a team. Thankfully, we escaped with the win last night or it would feel a lot worse, plus Sale's going tmrw.

Wait, why is Jordan Danks playing LF? Viciedo got hurt when?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 08:40 PM) Ugh, Tigers with the lead now also. I still can't believe how terrible that Latos trade was for the Reds. He was throwing 97 earlier in that game and cruising. Once again, beware the PetCo Park Factor. I think that's 13 homers already this season surrendered, 11 of them at Great American Ballpark. He only had 16 a season for SD the last two years. There's some crazy streak with that park where there's been at least one homer hit in XX number of games, something like 41 in a row.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 07:35 PM) Nice job getting us started ADA. Too bad Hudson couldn't beat I'll Have Another in a race. Secretariat and Seabiscuit would have a shot, too. Juan Pierre-itis. Usually sets in for speed players at age 32-34. Same with Chone Figgins.

Good scouting report there on Maxwell's arm. Either DeAza or McEwing or both deserve credit there.

White Sox and Cardinals both facing four run deficits now against Houston and the Indians. Need to peck away at that lead and get to their bullpen.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 07:30 PM) Just a terrible, terrible pitch to Lowrie there. Not shocked he's lighting us up at all after this last offseason. What happened this offseason with Lowrie? Floyd=walks and cookies That should be the name of his bakery that he and wife starts after he retires, "Walks and Cookies"

Dammit Floyd, just when it seems like you were SORT of getting back into a groove again, yet another homer. All of them have been on cookies.