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The South Beach media must be really looking forward to the first annual LoMo/Oney Twitter War. Perhaps Joe Cowley will go south with the Guillens to cover and shill for them.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2011 -> 01:52 PM) That doesn't apply in this situation. There really hasn't been chronically underperforming hitters. Except for Rios and possibly Beckham. The jury's still out on what we actually have with Gordon. It's certainly not unusual for 24-25 year olds to have some struggles in the majors when they've had so little time developing in the minors.

Trade Jackson if we're not within 5 games back on July 31st. In all likelihood, we'll have 3 teams ahead of us at that point...the odds will be against any type of comeback.

Why even bother caring about this team when they're just so erratic and inconsistent? It feels like we're trapped in the 2009 season again, except that year we at least tied for first place at one point.

One out away from 25/25 in save conversions. This game SUCKS.

Missed a hanging offspeed pitch after the steady diet of fastballs. Somehow Gordon got Lillibridge over the 2B, but he should have been there with the steal with how slow Valverde is to the plate.

We might have the worst hitting bench in the history of the AL. WHY WHY WHY force Beckham to do somthing he's not comfortable with when he's been hitting so well the last 15 days?

Lillibridge please. Be careful if you're going to steal....Beckham's not automatic with contact, and Valverde's control is non-existent. NO BUNTING!!!!

Maybe Valverde's more comfortable with RISP against him? AJ swinging at a crazy pitching out of the strike zone. At least we're elevating his pitch count over the last couple of games.

One thing's for sure, we'll never be in a better position to sweep a team. Humber's been our "ace" all season long and has now given up 4+ runs in his last two outings. We just can never seem to get over the hump. That's something like 1-7 now this season when we're 2 games under .500, sad.

Great recovery by Humber against the Tiggers' 3 best hitters (along with Boesch).

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 17, 2011 -> 12:03 PM) Why did Beckham not try to break that up? He's been taking lessons from Alex Rios in not exerting too much unnecessary energy? 17 innings string with the Tigers not scoring just broken....note to AJ: No low and inside hanging curveballs to LHB's.

Sizemore was pulled from that Orioles game early. Wonder why. 3-0 behind the infamous Jeonmar Gomez. O's starting some jokester I've never heard of who's getting rocked, HR's by Hafner and Santana already. (OFC, he's wearing a Cubs' hat in his pic, Atkins???) Beckham now 6/10 in this series.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 17, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) Thome, Thomas, Rowand, Uribe for starters. Uribe got to the point where he was only a minor league invite to spring training with the Giants. After playing like the NL Rookie of the Year, his career was definitely on the brink....as we only had to give up utility man Aaron Miles to get a franchise-quality SS when he's right. Uribe has a big-time prospect and was heading for Angel Berroa territory in COL. Rowand has arguably one of the five-ten worst contracts in baseball these days. Thomas didn't sustain his success for long with TOR/OAK, and his average went way down as he sacrificed for power. Thome was used very wisely, but he wasn't going to hold up for 500-600 AB's. And he certainly hasn't this year. We were one year too early parting with him, though.

8/10 batters with good swings, aggressive early in the count. And one walk. Pierre with the only bad result. Tigers really have to start looking at Ubaldo Jimenez or Derek Lowe right now. Sign Greg Walker now before his rates double.

Rios now an amazing (for him) 10 for 16 career against Penny. .625, can't believe it. Just missed a 3 run homer.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 17, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) Philthy Phirst. That was unphair. Does he work for Price Pfister? Or with the Phillie Phanatic or Philharmonic? Alliteration is fun. What's the other literary term for that....? Where the beginning of word sounds is the same in sequence.

Humber looking like 1967-68 Bob Gibson against the Tigers. Tigers' announcers amazed by his story. How many strikes he throws, particularly first pitch strikes. Very much improved control and only 7 homers surrendered the entire season. They want the January Phil Humber waiver claim from the A's put in at the end of Moneyball movie....along with Miguel Olivo and Neal Cotts.

So that means someone ELSE will view him the same way they view, say, AJ Burnett. We could get something really nice back if he gets on a roll again. IF WE WANT. 4.66 IP/3 ER 7/4 5.33/4 6.66/4 6/4 7/4 He's had TWO starts which actually are one inning longer than the minimum standard for a quality start with one more run. Basically, he's had four really bad starts out of 18, or 22%. In other words, in 14 out of 18 outings, he's given up 4 runs or less. With a "normal" White Sox offense, that should keep you in a majority of games. That looks a lot different to me than just saying 8/18 are quality starts. 3.31, 2.81 and 3.27 are his ERA's over the last 3 months. That's pretty darned consistent. It's just that first month that was a huge mess, but it was for nearly the entire team after the first two weeks of the season. You can put any of his stats up against Floyd or Danks and he'll come out the winner in those comparisons this season, except for walks/9 IP and wild pitches.

Hitters who have excelled under Walker Dye Thome (for his age) Lillibridge (well, for 2 months this year...compared with Braves) Konerko Quentin Ramirez (compared to expectations upon signing) Rowand (compared to most of the last 3-4 years, he had a couple of really good years in Philly when healthy) Crede Uribe Pablo Ozuna

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 17, 2011 -> 10:44 AM) could you imagine the gamethread meltdown if Marmol walked the bases loaded on 13 pitches, then turned a 3-0 game into a 6-3 loss? It would be epic. Greg would be epic too Kevin Gregg almost managed that feat last night against the Indians before he was mercifully pulled by Showalter.

Bruney is a concern, since Pena doesn't exist anymore....and he was a bigger concern than Bruney, in all honesty. I'd put it at #10 on our shopping list. And even if we wanted to get Marmol, what in God's name would we have to give up? For a reliever that's getting more and more expensive (looking ahead)....when we just discarded Jenks to avoid that very same thing from happening. When we've got cost control over Danks, Floyd, Quentin, Ramirez, Santos, Sale and Beckham....that's one of the few positive lights in our payroll situation. Why we'd trade away Viciedo + Mitchell + Reed + Santiago for another closer is beyond me. If anyone should be going after Marmol, it's the Tigers or Twins.

I'll hand it to Dick Allen, he's always been consistent in his defense of Walker. You gotta admire that, at least. He raises lots of valid points. Not that many of us necessarily agree, but it's healthy to have that debate instead of just a one-sided crucifixion (unless it has to do with Dunn/Rios).

But it's really hard to compare Contreras the starter with Contreras as a set-up reliever or closer. I would be a lot more convinced if Hudson or Richard put up those numbers in the AL West or even our own division. Remember when we had the theory way back when that Kip Wells could never have had the success he did with the Pirates if he was still on the White Sox? If you look at the ballparks, and the lack of offense in that division (especially with Posey out), it's hard to draw any definite conclusions. I don't recall most of SoxTalk clamoring for Richard to be a permanent member of the starting rotation. He was always seen as a guy who would really struggle the 2nd or 3rd time through an order. Let's put it this way. If you could trade Hudson/Peavy for the remainder of the season and take back Hudson/Richard in their places, would you do it? Not talking about 2012-2013-2014....just the next 70 or so games. I know that I wouldn't. And Jon Garland even looked good at times the last couple of years pitching out there. Heck, John Ely. Could either of those guys actually pitch for the White Sox, or Charles Haeger?