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JFP is looking nasty tonight. Made Avila look the foo

Just saw the replay of Dunn's bomb....he freaking killt that ball!!!

79 pitches through 7 for Chen. That's ridiculous.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 09:34 AM) The Sox as an organization is a mess, the byproduct of a GM simply out of control...very little restraint to resist adding to the baseball card collection...and Ozzie has managed as poorly this year as he ever has. Alex Rios, Jake Peavy, Adam Dunn are trash. Terribly overpaid and now the Sox are stuck with them. I'd rather have saved the money on someone who cared more (than Rios), who could do more than 1 thing (like Dunn) and didn't have the washed up look about them (like Peavy). Pierre is finished as a viable leadoff hitter...his OBP and OPS are as usual meager, but now he is stealing bases at a 55% clip. But of course, he makes up for it by not being able to throw a baseball further than 20 feet. Konerko gets a fat raise and goes out and plays great ball. AJP is also playing championship baseball. Mark Buehrle ditto...it seems the few players remaining from the 2005 team are still OUR best. Adding to his baseball card collection has done jack for Ken Williams. He has been exposed as a GM. Taking other peoples big name dead weight off their hands so he can keep his cred as an 'aggressive' GM. He is now the GM of a group of the most listless guys in baseball. Kudos KW. As for the players, I am all for raking on guys, but lay of Beckham, he is still a young player. This isn't an easy game, it takes time to adjust. His at bats over the past 10-15 games are very good. He's coming around. You can't get a talented prospect and not allow him a chance to learn/grow. Gordo's learning curve would be a non-issue if the veterans on this team were worth a crap. This coming from the guy who warned us that Peavy's lat was going to detach and that all of Dunn's hitting prowess was contained in his appendix. Great post, dude.

I really want to see what this team can do with a different vibe in the clubhouse and in the dugout. I'm not sure which I'd prefer more...a numbers guy or a hard ass.

Great win...nice to see some late efforts within the last week and finally one resulting in a win. Juan was huge today, as much as it pains me to say that.

Every damn season since '05 we see this team come from spring training woefully unprepared. They can't hit the first month of the season. They can't defend the first month of the season. They can't bunt the first month of the season. They can't run the bases right the first month of the season. Is KW in charge of spring training?

QUOTE (chiguy79 @ Jun 30, 2011 -> 03:48 PM) Comparing career OPS is sort of useless when our players have obviously regressed...we bought high and are stuck with them. Exactly my point....they regress when they get here. So what causes them to regress, KW acquiring them or OG and Walk coaching them? I've never seen an acquisition cause a player to slump, but I have seen coaching cause a player to slump.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 30, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) How ANYBODY can defend KW at this point is beyond me. So it's KW's fault that only 2 players in this lineup have an OPS over .635? Really? Peavy is the only player in this lineup with a career OPS under .635 Only Vizquel has a career OPS lower than .700 Outside of Vizquel, Pierre and Beckham, everyone in this lineup has a career OPS higher than .730 And yet here we are in 2011 with a starting lineup performing this poorly....and you blame KW? How about we blame the guy in charge of making these guys perform up to their potential? It sure as hell isn't the GM. The GM's job is to create a roster that is strong on paper, and KW has done that...even today's lineup, based on career OPS, is not that bad of a lineup.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 01:26 PM) Please explain to me how the crowd is the root cause of his hitting failures. I didn't say that...I said that the crowd may be compounding with his difficulties adjusting to being a DH. Again, boo away, you pay for a seat so you do what you want. When I pay for a seat I'll do what I want.

Outside of maybe last season, I think we've all headed into each season thinking we have a decent to good team, certainly good enough to win this division. You could say that that proves nothing but that we had good teams on paper, and that would be true, but isn't that a GM's job? If my neighbor gave me all his woodworking tools and I couldn't build a table because I'm not skilled enough to build one, is it his fault? Blaming Kenny for solid "on paper" teams not performing is making me question what exactly Ozzie's job is if it isn't to use the tools given to him to win a division.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 12:37 PM) Well too bad for him. He needs to suck it up. It's not like he's a rookie and with the price to take a family of four to a game going up each year, I especially have no qualms about booing someone getting paid $15M/year who's deserving to make the league minimum. Actually, it's too bad for us. He's getting his money either way, you're the one getting screwed out of the price of admission the longer this slump continues.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) Not that you're insinuating this, but why do SOME feel it would behoove us to stop booing and that would make him hit better? Farmer has already hinted at this. "The booing doesn't help." Cheering him as he whiffs three consecutive times against Livan Hernadez and his 72 MPH FB would help? The guy is paid mega bucks to produce. That's what this sport of baseball is. He has been terrible at every aspect of this sport. And the thing is, he only gets paid to do one thing: Hit fricking HRs. It's not April 19th. It's not May 8th. It's not May 29th. It's not June 25th. July 1 is right around the corner. How many more 0/4, 3 K games must occur before this guy can be classified as a bust, for this year, anyway? I have no problem with those that choose to keep the faith. No problem. Just no more shots taken at the fanbase because he's getting booed. He deserves every bit of it. People pay to get a seat at the Cell, they're welcome to cheer or boo the players as much as they want. My point was simply that hearing a chorus of boos from a justifiably impatient crowd doesn't make a difficult adjustment any easier for Dunn. That's part of the game and something that Dunn needs to learn to deal with as a player, but it may be compounding things for him.

I hate to see Dunn going through this, he's always been one of my favorite players (mostly because of fantasy bb). You don't have the career this guy has had and just suddenly drop off to nothing, even if you put on 15 pounds of weight. I really think it's important not to discount what Frank Thomas had to say about the mental adjustments required to become a DH and how difficult those adjustments are to make. Now Dunn is trying to make those adjustments in front of a vocal and impatient fan base. He'll get it going.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 11:22 AM) Um, OK? Again, continuous swearing, personal attacks on posters or players? No problem. Being told how you're allowed to express yourself concerning player/team performance or else? That's a totally separate issue. You've been here a long time and have never struck me before as the kind of poster you've become this season. Do you yourself sense a change in the tone of your posts this season? Is this the first season you've been disgusted by this team?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 08:30 AM) If it's just said once or twice, does it need the elaboration? EDIT: And I've also seen posters referred to as "drunken idiots" and "douches" in just this thread. I hope this edict doesn't start an open season on pessimistic posters. To clarify, because I'm the one who posted "drunken idiots", it was a comparison to some posters sounding like the drunken idiots who call into post-game shows....not that our posters are drunken idiots. You know the callers I'm referring to, the guy who calls up Rongey after MB has a bad outing and suggests strongly that MB should be sent to the minors for a while....that's what I feel like I'm listening to if I were to read some these threads aloud.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:23 AM) To be fair, I don't see why this has to be the message board version of a Rongey post-game talk. I think this board swings to extreme highs and lows depending on the team. When we suck, people go over the cliff. When this team is hot, people think out s*** doesn't stink. It's pretty knee-jerk, but that's just how the internet is. The ones who are the level headed get paid for their comments. Typically your reasoning would be sound but, having spent 8 years reading this board, it's different now, and the internet was just as knee-jerk 8 years ago as it is today. Jake Peavy says he's willing to pitch from the bullpen if that's what's asked of him and there are 4-5 posters who present and control the narrative that his comments meant that he knows he's washed up and can no longer start. Really? Those are the fans that this board used to make fun of, the drunken idiots who call into post-game shows or post on the MLB boards. It's what differentiated Soxtalk from other sources...there was always reasonable conversation about both positives and negatives but, no matter what, it was from folks who enjoyed talking baseball...not a gaggle of idiots who think it's pretty badass to be contrarians.

Nothing makes me happier than to see Serg get over those back-to-back rough outings. That's the stuff that tells you how strong a pitcher is mentally and I feel Serg has shown us that he's not scared. As rough as that loss to OAK was, I actually feel more confident now having him come in to close out a game because I know that he's not out there to avoid a BS but rather to be a closer (if that makes sense).

Props to the site's owner. Honestly, I've found myself visiting WSI more this season because this board has become overbearingly negative. If I wanted to read nothing but s*** talking about the Sox I'd go to a MIN, DET, or CHC board. I come to Soxtalk to both commiserate and celebrate with fellow Sox fans, but there's no celebrating here. Hell, it seems 1/2 the time I get on here 30 mins after a win there's no "White Sox Winner" thread. It's never been this way before and I welcome Jason's efforts to restore what was at one time, in my opinion, the one and only White Sox forum worth visiting.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 07:04 AM) Sorry to be a downer, but Ozzie's comments about JP last night really get me fired up. What'd he say?

QUOTE (chisoxt @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 05:21 AM) In one way, you are right but the problem is this....despite what you think of Reinsdorf, the one huge benefit of his ownership is the fact that the Sox have a very low cost basis ($21 millon), so the team has very little debt to to deal with. It's like owning a house free and clear vs having a huge morgage payment every month. Once the Sox are sold their cost basis jumps to about $526 million (according to Forbes). Thus in all likliehood, the debt service that the new owners will have will be yet another burden on the new ownership, in addition to all of the other baggage that will come with owning this team (so-so stadium, mediocre attendance, crappy organization). Not sure I'm following you here...isn't Jerry just a controlling partner in a group of investors? I highly doubt the team would be sold upon his death.

This board has become increasingly reactionary and negative. A guy says that he'll pitch in the pen if that's where he's needed and we get 10 pages of folks saying he's finished, he knows he's finished, he should retire, he can no longer pitch when healthy, he's a detriment to the team, and his attitude should be ridiculed. When did this become twinstalk.com?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 10:01 AM) It's not like he was pitching like s***. Other than that meltdown inning against Detroit, he had been pretty solid. So he can't be offering this up due to poor performance. Nothing else to to believe other than him coming to the conclusion that he probably can't physically do it as a starter anymore. So we officially have a Kerry Wood clone on our hands. A $17 million dollar one. The SP prognosis for this team going forward (specifically after this season) is frightening. What makes you rule out the fact that, ya know, he's a good teammate and feels responsible for the 6 man rotation and therefore should be the one to go to the pen? Have you ever offered to do something knowing damn well that you really don't want to do it? You make the offer knowing that you will likely be turned down? That's what I see here...JFP being the team player that he was in SD and that he's proven to be here in CHI.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 09:23 PM) OK so whos the closer? Do we still stick with Santos? green implied?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 09:21 PM) People on this site will defend anything. This loss was beyond horrible. Dude, no denying it was a bad loss...but it's not the end of the world. I still feel good about this team and the way they've been playing for the last week or so.