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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:10 AM) Watching MLBN now, Rosenthal just said that the Sox are most aggressive in their pursuit of Machado. Mentioned that Baltimore management is on their back home and will talk to ownership in the next 24-48 hours about Machado trade talks. Scary thing is that he said that the Sox have one of Giolito or Kopech, but not both. Wow. I really hope this doesn't go down unless they're VERY confident that they will sign him to a 325+ | 10 year deal with opt outs at years 4, 6, and 8 - give him whatever the f*** he wants. Jeez - I'm gonna be like a crackhead until Monday. ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:25 AM) Really no reason to use that word, bruh. I'll add it to the ever expanding list of words that I must consciously avoid at all times. Seriously thou, it was said just in passing with no disrespect intended. This is a baseball forum not a dissertation. Sorry if a word offended you.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) I feel you, lucky for me on I’m vacation and have the bandwidth right now to fully enjoy these rumors. ? I certainly don't enjoy the prospect of shipping out some of our best for such a retarded risk. Thumbs waaaaaay down. Don't see it happening. If this was KW still running the show, I bet it'd be done and announced two or three days ago.

I sure hope the "traded by the week's end" line proves to be true. Would rather not lose weeks or months of my life to my White Sox obsession ? This clearly has fired on my OCD mode. Drat!

QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) If the Sox don't think they have the best offer, that makes me feel better because they know if they put down one of their big chips, it is the top offer. This.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:26 AM) This is actually pretty fascinating. Combine this with the “rob Peter to pay Paul” comment and I feel pretty good that Kopech & Giolito are not involved in any offer. I take that quote to mean, "we're not trading for Manny from the Os to then flip him to the Yankees."

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) I really wanted Burdi. And we could have had him it seems, for just 500k https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/pira...pool-space.html

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) That tweet is from like 10 minutes ago... Ah - I see the additional information at the end of that tweet that differentiates it from the previous one. Durrr!

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:10 AM) @BNightengale The #WhiteSox insist they have no intention to flip Manny Machado if they land him, but also believe other teams have made better offers to #Orioles This tweet has been posted about 18 times :

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:11 AM) So, who made the best offer? Supposedly the Sox, now maybe not. This is becoming pretty aggravating. I can't see how you're perceiving that upon reading the tweet.

Say we did basically buy the Giants spot... would we then have two of the first 4 picks? Somehow I recall only the Giants and Tigers reported to be ahead of us thou.

Well, I think we've found a thread to crack out on for a couple weeks or months

I really don't see what the other rumored teams could be offering that we couldn't easily match- so it's no surprise to me that we're considered as having the best offer out. I'll "dare to dream" as Hahn requested... starting with the dream that the trade price is lower than antisipated and with Machado signing an extension: 2018 Starters as of June 10th 2B - Moncada SS - Machado 1B - Abreu RF - The Bess LF - Avi C - Castillo DH - Davidson CF - Anderson 3B - Sanchez Starting Rotation Rodon Kopech Lopez Shields Fulmer Bullpen ( s*** ) Covey Minaya Infante Vieira Bummer Some Rule 5 Dude 2019 projection 2B - Moncada SS - Machado 1B - Abreu RF - The Bess LF - Avi 3B - Donaldson C - Castillo DH - Davidson CF - Anderson Rotation Kopech Rodon Pomeranz Lopez Hansen Bullpen Fulmer Cease Burdi Burdi Vieria Miller

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 10:44 PM) Nathan Bernhardt‏Verified account @jonbernhardt again, if the White Sox are in on Machado it's because they perceive that whatever they'd be giving up wouldn't threaten their rebuild. It means something like a Carlos Rodon/Avisail Garcia package https://twitter.com/jonbernhardt/status/941185191451774976 You think the Os would green light a Rodon trade for their biggest star since Cal Ripken? Bwhhahahahahahahahah. Ok, buddy. ??????????????

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 10:35 PM) Kopech will only be included with an immediate extension, no way he is added without one. I said that like 2 pages back. ???‍♂️

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 10:38 PM) Dude, you are getting bent out of shape over losing out on Giolito for a top 10 player in baseball? Our rotation will be sick without Gio and having Machado improves our chance of locking him up long term and attracting top free agents to play with us. We can replace Gio in the draft next year if we wanted to even. It's not that easy to: A, replace Giolito from a f***ing draft and B, sign Machado.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 10:32 PM) I'd be shocked if the best offer the O's had was a Giolito headlined package, as nice of a pitching prospect as he is. Would love to be proven wrong here. Maybe they're enamored with the success he had last season in the MLB... here's hoping. I wouldn't be. An asset like Giolito is extremely rare. Give me comparable pitchers from the other interested teams who has full team control and some proven MLB dominance, that was in the running to be the first overall pick of his draft class.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 10:22 PM) And if the Machado plan fails, we send him out for a great package at the deadline anyway. I hadn't thought of it like this and if Machado doesn't sign an extension while he's lighting up the down arrow cell park place for the first half... we'd likely be primed to recover greater talent than Giolito at the deadline... while then having a bit of a unique position in off season negioations with Manny. Risky - but still calculated. If Kopech is involved thou, I'll want to punch someone in the face. Either way, you know it's risky when the idea of trading either of the mentioned pieces makes my heart rate jump about 35 bmp.

1.) There's no f***ing way they're trading Kopech for Machado without an extension locked up. 2.) If Cooper doesn't believe that Giolito's mechanics will hold up and they're trading him with some sort of extension being a strong possibility, I could look the other way and painfully stomach the risk. 3.) However, if they're trading EITHER of these young starting pitchers just to throw a hail marry at signing him before or during the next FA term - that's f***ing vomit inducing yuck. The ONLY way I would be down with this is if they: A.) Only lost someone like Giolito and a younger pitching prospect not named Hansen or Cease. B.) Where SURE that they could sign him for something like 10/325 with player opt outs at years 4,6, and 8. C.) Could trade Avi for a package of talent that included an arm with as much promise as Giolito. D.) Didn't really believe in Giolito being a long term innings eating #2. That's a lot of "if's" -- so I don't think this gets done... and if it does, the probability that I'll be pleased is very low.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) Dan Clark‏Verified account @DanClarkSports Boston, New York (Yankees), St Louis and Chicago (White Sox) are the teams who have contacted the #Orioles about Machado. https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/941040805279498240 You'd have to guess Cardnails based on White Sox position and the division of the first two teams.

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 03:01 PM) Good lord. Seriously? Of course ( edit - it might be less if he demands a trade )

Phil Rogers.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 09:36 AM) I’m surprised by how willing people are to trade Cease. I personally think he’ll be better than Hansen Wow! That's a huge statement.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 05:31 PM) Hearing nothing close with White Sox. Just talks here. And they won’t be trading top prospects for one year of Machado. https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/940753574082105344 Aka: duh duh duh duh du duh. Duh duh duh duh duh duh. And duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh Machado.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 03:26 PM) Keep in mind Yanks have Torres, Frazier, Andujar, Sheffield to spare Yea, well... they're in the same division too.