supernuke

Got to hand it to the Buehrle camp on this one. They have everybody beleiving that he really wanted to stay. He never had any intention of signing, this was just an effort to look good in front of the fans. Notice a lot of the sources talked about in articles were said to be people outside the organization but close to the negotiation. To me that says these were people on Mark's side of the table. This was all just a PR effort, but it was organized by the Buehrle camp not the Sox.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 27, 2007 -> 12:56 PM) So he fed him bulls*** for the whole damn month about still being in the running for a starting job, every damn day going to the media saying if Brian produces in Spring he's my guy and the whole thing was just a ruse to get Brian motivated? That's just ridiculous if true. What did Darin Erstad do during the Spring to earn the starting CF job? Is Ozzie's motto: "Nothing is just handed to you everything is earned" just a crock of s***? Erstad and Podsednik were handed jobs this Spring, neither of them earned it. And to say "he saw something in Erstad that he didn't see in Anderson" or anything along those lines is such a cop out. He could say that at any time to justify any asinine decision he chooses to make. "I've decided to go with Alex Cintron as my secondbaseman, I just saw something in his this Spring that I did not see in Tadahito." You as a fan can not question that, he is immune to criticism because you're not out there on the practice fields every day watching these guys play, if he says he saw something in Cintron that makes him a better candidate to start over Iguchi then who are you to question him. What if Ozzie had used this logic in choosing Floyd over Danks for the 5th spot? "Floyd just showed me somthing that Danks didn't" Would that be acceptable? At a certain point lying to motivate a player becomes too much and the word of Ozzie as a man comes into question, how can you EVER believe anything he says? He could have some ulterior motives behind the things he says. What about Brian in all of this? He did everything asked of him this spring and beat out the competition yet despite meeting the objectives of his manager and being rewarded accordingly he's told "Sorry kid, you never really had a shot" or "Not good enough". Seems pretty slimy to me. Although I really don't see anything in BA I do agree that he should be starting over Erstad. I have no problem with people questioning Ozzie's decisions, he definatley makes some bad ones. I just don't see how so many people can claim to know the reasoning behind his decisions. Like I said questioning his decision to start Erstad is fine, but saying that BA was never given a chance is nothing but speculation. Ozzie may have given BA a chance and just didn't see what he wanted to see, I disagree with the decision but I couldn't call him a liar or a hyppocrite because of it.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 27, 2007 -> 11:51 AM) It's like selective hearing only with reading, half of that post had nothing to do with anything I had posted. Ozzie gave the illusion that he was holding an open competition in the outfield, if Brian produced during the spring and beat out his competition that he would be granted a starting job. This was obviously a charade, he had Erstad penciled in as his starting centerfielder from day one and never actually intended on holding any sort of competition. That's called hypocrisy. Maybe Ozzie gave the illusion of an open competition to try and motivate BA to work hard and improve. Maybe he felt that if he told BA sorry kid I don't think you are ready for the starting job that there would be no reason for him to work and try and get better. Maybe it was an open competition and there is still something that Ozzie wants to see from this guy that just isn't there.

I heard that AJ was upset about losing ABs so he convinced Ozzie that Hall would be more versitile if he could play 1B. He was then heard offering $100 to anyone on the opposing team who could make Hall dive resulting in an injury. It is clearly AJ's fault.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Mar 17, 2007 -> 08:53 PM) Looks like good news: http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...tesox-headlines Center fielder Brian Anderson insisted his right ankle was fine after limping to first base on a grounder for the second out of the ninth in a loss to the Angels. Anderson said he initially rolled the ankle during batting practice and then aggravated it in his last at-bat while taking a hard swing and miss that caused him to tumble. Anderson barely attempted to run to first after getting jammed by Alex Serrano. "It freaked me out. When I went out of the box, I told myself I'll take the out because I don't want to do anything" Anderson said. Lazy Primadonna

QUOTE(earthshiner @ Mar 16, 2007 -> 02:47 PM) I see five bench spots open on this team. 1. Hall is obvious. C 2. Perez because someone on this team needs to hit lefties can play 1b/3b/LF/RF 3. Ozuna stays because he is the fastest guy on the team and Pauly/Thome/AJ/Crede/Perez are gonna need a runner late in games. can play SS/2B/3B/LF 4. Erstad or Terrero depending on Anderson and Pods if either of them don't start the year on the team then it will be Terrero. both play the entire OF and Erstad 1B 5. That leaves Cintron and Mackowiak. If you get rid of Cintron then Ozuna is your top backup middle IF. Seeing as how we don't really have depth in our org as SS or 2B and with Fields ready and waiting in AAA I think that makes Makowiak expendable. Not saying he is bad but there is no room for him. Cintron can play SS/2B/3B. Makowiak can play 3B/OF/2B note, I am not saying these guys are good at the positions I listed but they have played a significant amount of games there. Perez has played all those position, but can he still play them or is he just a 1B/DH/PH now?

QUOTE(supernuke @ Mar 16, 2007 -> 10:08 AM) 100% agree. I think Ozzie actually want this guy to succed and not handing him the starting job is probably the best thing for him. If BA actually is a lazy primadonna he needs a kick in the ass to realize that he needs to work to get the starting job and I think that is what Ozzie is doing. QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 16, 2007 -> 11:21 AM) So, the guy goes to winterball despite not wanting to because the team asks him to, loses 20 pounds when he contracts a digestive illness, spends the rest of the winter working with Konerko to fix the holes in his swing and regain all the weight he lost, and we're still calling him a "Lazy primadonna"? Whether he is or isn't I don't know, I've never met him. Just offering up another theory based on some of the rumors and inuendo that are out there.

QUOTE(Y2HH @ Mar 16, 2007 -> 08:00 AM) If he's lazy, it's absolutly unacceptable. I'm not sure what kind of team you'd like to see us build -- but a CF who has NEVER prooven himself in the majors has ZERO room to be lazy, EVER. There is no excuse or arguement you can counter that on, either...so please, do not bother. If you'd like to build a team of lazy stars...move north. Herb Brooks, the coach of the amazing 1980 USA Olympic Hockey team said it best, "I'm not looking for the best players, I'm lookin' for the right ones." If Brian Anderson is going to be lazy, and not take his job seriously -- no matter how good he CAN be or IS defensivly -- he doesn't belong on this team. 100% agree. I think Ozzie actually want this guy to succed and not handing him the starting job is probably the best thing for him. If BA actually is a lazy primadonna he needs a kick in the ass to realize that he needs to work to get the starting job and I think that is what Ozzie is doing.

QUOTE(Y2HH @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 11:48 AM) Meh. Whiners. If you don't want to read a thread, don't click on it. Wow...that's hard. Damn it is hard. I didn't want to read this, yet here I am and I have no idea how it happened.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 11:42 AM) So why the Hell can't he give Brian Anderson the same treatment, and actually use Erstad as the backup OF he should be used as. There could me a million reasons why. There has been rumors that BA has been more concerned with living the high life than with working hard. Maybe this is all true and Ozzie doesn't want to reward that behavior with a starting job. Maybe some of the hard working veterans on the team feel this way too and would be pissed if he was starting. Maybe they feel temoprarily shipping him back to the minors would be the kick in the ass they feel he needs.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 10:57 AM) They weren't established veterans with years of service, but they were in fact the established starters at their respective positions. They didn't have to win the job. So because Ozzie didn't come to the Sox his first year as a manager, and dump the third basemen the team had been grooming and the shortstop they acquired, is your argument that he likes young players??? I'm not on either side in this "young player" arguement, but this is kind of a stretch. My only arugment is Brian should be the starting CF. I can give a s*** if he is young old or whatever. I don't know Ozzies reasons so I won't pretend to, but if BA is in the minors this season...our D is in trouble. Back up the Bus. I never said Ozzie likes young players. I was just trying to show that some young players have been given a chance under his watch. I really don't believe that Ozzie dislikes BA because he is young. I think he dislikes him because he believes he is lazy and doesn't or didn't want to put in the work to improve. Weather or not BA actually is this way or not I do not know but that is how the situation looks to me.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 10:28 AM) For all 3 cases, I would LOVE for you to tell me the other options Ozzie had at the time. I am sure some veteran off the scrap heap could have been found. After all Ozzie would surely play any veteran over any young player. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 10:45 AM) Uribe had almost 600ABs for Colorado in 2002, so he wasnt exactly a rookie. That's why I said second full season. He was hardly a Veteran.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 10:26 AM) Joe and Juan are veterans. Why don't you site Jim Thome as an example while you're at it. Both Crede and Uribe were playing their second full season's in Ozzie's first year as Manager. Hardly Veterans yet both were given chances to play everyday.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 10:13 AM) Ryan Sweeney has 35 AB's in the majors Garland had 569 major league innings logged when Ozzie got here. He was young, but a veteran. Danks has never logged a major league inning. Logan was up here because are other options sucked. And he didn't last long. If your going to defend Ozzie, fine. But at least use better examples. Bobby Jenks Joe Crede Juan Uribe

Most surprising - Charlie Haegar and his run for the Cy Young Award finnishing with a 24-6 record. Most Dissapointing - A.J. Pierzynski who will suddenly find his inner nice guy and lose his competitive edge. X-Factor - Jay Marriotti

7PM is fine by me.

The Supernukers are ready to roll.

I am in again, I think I was in league 2 the last couple of years.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 31, 2007 -> 12:53 PM) # of games the White Sox lost in 2006 due to Ozuna's outfield defense Both of which are

Does anyone know if it is possible that another team could select Gio in the ruleV draft?

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:55 PM) Thats bulls***. If I was the GM I know I could have gotten Pelfrey, Heilman and Milledge for Garcia. Well you would be a lousy GM then, I would have gotten all that plus Figgins and Santana for Garcia.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:34 PM) This is a good point. I wonder if the high price for pitching actually hurt this deal. No one wanted to trade for Freddy knowing he will command at 12-15 mil to resign based on what Lilly recived. Exactlly, Why give up top prospects and then pay 12 mil a year to resign a pitcher when you can spend the money on a free agent and keep the players. I think most GM's would rather risk their cash then their prospects.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 10:58 PM) Pardon me? Sorry but with all these posts about Pods OBP being to low to lead off added to several other posts in many threads about guys like Figgins, Crawford and Rollins OBP's being to low. I was begining to think we were the only team with out a .400 OBP guy at the top of the order. Hell in 2005 Ichiro's OBP was only .350, it seems like that woudn't have been good enough for many here. I don't mean for any of this to be defending Pods, but until a better option comes around he is what we got.

I can't Believe the Sox will be the only team with someone who can't get on base 40% of the time in the lead off spot. Damn this sucks.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 1, 2006 -> 10:16 PM) That was only a rumor. In fact, they did maintain draft pick compensation for Free Agent losses in the new CBA, although they decreased the value somewhat. Here is a summary of the changes according to Baseball America. Thanks for the info.