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I'm with you 100% but if they aren't selling, there has to be an actual corner outfielder available for just the money remaining. Doing neither makes no sense to me.

Yaz is the 16th best position player in baseball since 2015 and the best at his position.

Seat at the fable

This deal was made possible by the players union. They somehow made another agreement without a major raise for pre-arb players. When bad vets that could easily be cut by May 1st get 5 MILLION DOLLARS, it makes the pre-arb player infinitely valuable. The Nats just acquired 2 or 3 can't miss major leaguers that they can pay about 2 million dollars to over a 3 year period and they may have acquired as many as 5. That is like 20+ pre-arb years and 35+ years of team control. For 2 years of Soto at a cheap rate (but not free) and sole negotiating rights to pay him 400 million dollars. This won't be the last deal of this kind, it does not take a genius to realize the inefficiency in player compensation in MLB. The more these kids play nationally against top competition as youths, the better the training, the better the scouting, the better the 22 year old player.

It depends. Was there an attempt to extend him? At money that likely doesn't make sense now? Because, if so, it is pretty likely a deal never gets done prior to him being a free agent.

Based on historical spend averages and even factoring in the dip in revenue during the rebuild, I have decided that Jerry could have eaten at least 100 million in Hosmer type deals over the rebuild, adding several additional top prospects.

Those better be selling eyeballs. RIPito

I cannot believe people here want to buy tomorrow.

I wonder if the Ohtani offer was pending an extension negotiation period, so it never was a real offer? We would have happily given up Robert, Kopech etc if Ohtani was going to sign a 5 year 150 million dollar extension.

Stoney is losing it. All innings count the same. All games count the same. If anything, you'd prefer your runs early in the game and your wins early in the regular season. There is a better way to say he believes the need is bullpen help and that they still have a chance.

Nothing like taking 2 out of 3 from the A's at home.

How many more innings are you planning on getting out of Kopech?

Right or wrong, anyone who watches every pitch has completely given up. It has been an absolute dismal season with very, very few bright spots. Fans that spend more time talking about the Sox on the internet than they do watching baseball definitely look at our 50% chance of winning the division and feel we obviously still have a chance. I haven't given up, but I would be more interested in selling than buying. The idea of trading anything of value at this point feels like chasing.

If the Sox are at all interested in Gallo this offseason, and he is available for essentially nothing, I think it makes sense to take a test drive. Him taking opportunity away from first basement trying to play RF is ok by me.

We have a 1% chance at winning the world series. You could unload our entire farm system and our chances wouldn't change tangibly. There are no "over the top" moves available for 2022 imho.

This is fine. He will cost nothing and will be an upgrade. It is better than trading something of actual value for a player seemingly slightly better and marginally more likely to actually perform better over the remaining 63 games... leading to an unmeasurably small increase in chances of winning the league or the world series. Go crazy at the top of the trade market or add nothing burgers. The in-between is the spot you can actually go wrong.

1.5% chance to win the World Series per Fangraphs. Feel free to add the guys where all you have to do is pickup the remainder of this year's money and throw them a bone. Do not deal from the worst farm system in the league just because the owner and the front office have a 2-3 year window.

The neighborhood has grown with the generation of bros that were able to buy/rent from the dying Nimbys. The inexpensive bro atmosphere would have just spiraled downward as the area got older and rougher. It couldn't have survived much longer. Now the bros that had just graduated from their big ten school in 2000 are 45, in middle management and want to drink expensive whiskeys. Not sure if that was the plan but the area kind of grew alongside that generation's pay grade.

I have no real info other than they were successful during an era where teams clearly were at the very least relaying what pitch was coming, and pitchers were using foreign substances to spin the ball. And that it is inexplicable that they didn't resign a single one of their young position players. Makes me think they believed they had info on all of their players that other teams didn't, that led to them making a lower valuation calculation.

They didn't keep anyone from 2016 because they were cheating. I can't believe that isn't more of an angle. You are one of the richest sports franchises in the world, and you didn't keep a single player from your World Series run? Even for sentimental value? And if your view is that it is difficult to value current big league talent because much of the league was cheating, don't you press pause? Kinda like Theo has just taken a break? Don't you sign a player from another country? Or just starting pitchers? Look for them to unload anyone they can, buy pitching again this offseason and try to grow the next generation of position players.

Please sell. If you like Vegas: The Sox are 35/1 to win the world series. 20/1 to make the world series. If you like Fangraphs algos (who actually like the White Sox): The Sox are 66/1 to win the world series. And the craziest part? I don't know that selling a few guys would technically dramatically alter our current chances. The same way when a team is 1.5% to win a game and they go to a position player pitching and it drops to 1.4%. Please sell. We have the worst system in baseball. The recipe for winning is getting contributions from pre-arb players and/or flipping those pre-arb players for stars. We need more organizational depth.

Two year deals for veteran relievers are dangerous. Kelly is not going to pitch through anything that feels even slightly off. I bet nerve pain won't sideline him in 2023.

I felt like the Leury signing was forced by ownership. It seemed like clubs were making on honest effort to pay veterans good money prior to the lockout to gain rapport headed into the negotiations. The flurry of moves made very little sense otherwise. The Legend's deal came right before the cutoff and in the scheme of things is nothing when billions were at stake. It really felt like an unnecessary extra year was thrown on that deal to force Garcia's hand.

I think Giolito and Lynn must be griping about it. If it weren't Cueto's mystery success I'd be very convinced that the defense is the main culprit as Cease gets almost half of his outs via the strikeout. The long (ish) term impact of defensive plays being made or not made has to be one of the last areas that analytics haven't really been able to truly pigeon hole. IF the Sox are adding, I truly hope it is an above average defender at both RF and 2B.

Imagine how much pressure gets relieved for these high school guys that need to develop? If a kid goes to Vandy (or any top program) he is immediately in the blender, fighting for opportunity every single step of the way, like his career depends on it. Now, he gets shipped off to AZ, where he will pitch 50 or so more innings in perfect weather, for crowds smaller than his 15u travel baseball games where the end result is meaningless. The scoreboard isn't even on. That has to be super attractive to guys... that and the millions of dollars.