Boogua

The guy from the 90s owns again.

Lebron.....LOL

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 09:12 PM) Duncan kills the all time leading scorer in longevity? I'm honestly rooting for J4L here. I love Duncan as a player. I just don't know if he fully realizes how good Kareem was for his career.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 09:08 PM) It's not that hard at all. Comparable peaks and Duncan kills him longevity wise. And the Laker's were Magic's team through all those runs. Basketball reference. Just some subtle hints....

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 09:01 PM) Kareem is still playing? Awesome! Haha, didn't see this before my post, but +1

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 08:59 PM) "Where are the dominant bigs!" Oh, that's right. The greatest one to play the game is still playing. Duncan is my second favorite player ever (you can probably guess who my first is), but it's really hard to argue him over Kareem. This is another debate though.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 08:54 PM) Duncan is destroying Bosh. The new NBA

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 01:46 PM) But that's fine, you don't have to go to that every trip down the floor, but at some point he needs to get over his fascination with shooting long 2 or 3 pt shots and take what the defense is giving you. The Spurs are normally playing 3-4 feet away (or more), daring him to take the jumpshot. Take two dribbles and start backing the defender down and see what happens. He's either going to get a better post shot or he's going to collapse the defense and get the ball to an open shooter. Sometimes he has pretty big defenders on him. He's going to have trouble posting up Diaw because he just doesn't have great moves down there.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 09:39 AM) He does, he just refuses to use it. His post game is nearly unstoppable against most defenders. I disagree with this. His post game is very average. He has no great moves on the block and needs time down there to do what he likes. He also has trouble getting great position usually. He has the body to absolutely dominate on the post, but he just doesn't. Jordan and Kobe, while smaller, had/have much better post games than Lebron. He was successful against the Pacers that one game because they basically left George alone on island where Lebron could back his way down for 5+ seconds and then make an easy move. Once they sent quicker help he couldn't take advantage as easily. He's also having problems posting up Diaw, because unlike George, he's very solidly built and can body him and make it harder to gain post position.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 07:49 AM) If you look at LBJ's overall Finals performances so far, hardly GOAT level. His numbers actually look better than he has played too. He has padded his stats in garbage time a few games. He was in really late in their blowout win 2 games ago (at one point Wade had 32 and Lebron had 24 or something. He finished with 33 with a bunch of late easy buckets). He also had a stretch in their blowout loss when he scored 9 quick points when they were down 20 in game 3. He has no go-to moves and an inconsistent jumpshot. He was 1-8 when being guarded by Boris Diaw yesterday. Boris. Diaw.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 10:29 PM) Of course some combination of the two would be the best formula. There just aren't many teams out there like that. Anyway, this (to me anyway) is not about hahaha, the heat lose, LeBron is no Jordan, etc, etc. No matter what happens, the Heat have still owned the eastern conference the last three years. I know it can't happen overnight. But the Bulls need to move more towards the new-style NBA. I'm not really sure what you mean by new style NBA. If you mean they need to add more shooters to help spread the floor, then yes, that's pretty obvious. It was obvious when the whole Heat defense collapsed on Rose in the 2011 ECF. The Pacers, who have nobody of Rose's playmaking ability, took the Heat to 7 games with their size. The Lakers and Celtics were big teams when they won their rings (Perkins and KG, Gasol and Bynum). The Mavs weren't small by any means (front court of Chandler, Dirk, and Marion) and the Spurs aren't that small either, although they're playing smaller now because Splitter has been terrible. I don't think going away from size is a winning advantage. If you want the Bulls to add dribblers and shooters to help Rose and spacing then I think that was pretty obvious anyways.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 10:04 PM) I am now convinced that size/beef/physicality is not how you beat Miami now or in the future. The Bulls had more size in '11. The Pacers had more size the last two years. You have to be able to spread Miami out with multiple guys that can put the ball on the floor and create for shooters (Peja, Terry, Marion, Green, Neal, Leonard). Duncan is one win away from becoming the best big man of all-time. Both the Mavs and Spurs had some size and good defensive big men (Chandler and Duncan) and the 11 Bulls and these Pacers teams were extremely limited with ball handlers and/or shooters. If the Bulls had a SG that wasn't Keith Bogans in 2011, they would have had a shot. If the Pacers would have had a PG that wasn't George Hill and a SG that wasn't Lance Stephenson they would have had a better chance too. It's not that black and white. E: I do agree with your basic premise though. The Heat are over aggressive and are out of position against teams with really good ball movement and multiple shooters.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 09:49 PM) So, Green for Finals MVP? He would have to be the favorite at this point. He would have to be one of the worst, if not the worst, finals MVP ever.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 12:15 AM) Well, I would say the bigger difference is that you had Dirk playing some of the best basketball of his life (Spurs don't have a player like that). Neither one of these teams was going to win all three middle games. It just rarely happens. If the Spurs can get game 5, they have a real good shot. I still question whether Wade/Bosh can bring it like this (game 4) in consecutive games. If they do, yeah, it's over. Edit: s***, I take it back about teams rarely winning games 3-4-5. Pistons and Heat (twice) have done it since '04. Totally forgot about the Pistons and '06 Heat. I think you'll find a good amount of people that would disagree with you on this. Most people felt Parker was playing the best basketball of his life this season and the previous series leading into the finals. After game 1 it looked like it too.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 08:04 AM) I don't recall Dirks series being that great so much as Jason Terry and Jason Kidd going off for three. But maybe that was just game 6 that is blocking my memory. He had two really good games, 1 pretty good game, and two bad games. It wasn't a great series by him. That series was definitely Miami's for the taking, but Lebron just went into ultra-passive mode and lost them a series.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 02:09 AM) Agreed, although the appeal I do have is purely based on the rave reviews calling it the game of the system perhaps. I'll watch my buddy play it at some point, i'm sure. I usually only play sports games, but bought this game just based on the reviews. I figured I'd give it a try and maybe it'll hold me off until NCAA comes out in July (I don't beat games quickly, if at all).

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 13, 2013 -> 10:26 PM) SA has had lots of chances to win this, turnovers + Manu + Splitter = giveaway Those two were so bad. Manu has been terrible the whole series.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 12, 2013 -> 01:06 PM) The best part of a potential Heat Finals loss, beyond my own personal satisfaction, is it should definitively put to rest the GOAT talk. We'll have to wait for the next phenom. Wiggins? And it should, but it probably won't. Everyone thought the abomination of the 2011 Finals would have put to rest the GOAT talks because that was a bigger failure than Jordan ever even came close to. If they lose this year, but come back and win next year I'm sure there will be people right back at it.

Just read this on ESPN: "The errant jumper has become a running issue for James in the series. Over the 18 games that comprise his NBA Finals career, LeBron has shot 25 percent outside the restricted area. Strange as it sounds, LeBron shot best in 2011, when he hit 34.4 percent of his tries outside the restricted zone." This just sounds like it can't be right. Holy choke job.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 11:09 PM) How about we get back to making fun of Lebron for doing his best Hedo Turkoglu impersonation? I just don't know what happens with him. He shows the ability to absolutely dominate, but this is his second finals where he is severely underperforming. It seems like he has lost a decent amount of confidence in his jumper.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 11:02 PM) Nothing. I'm just saying PPG would be higher. I don't recall you (not saying you're lying) saying the late 90's sucked. I know for damn sure booqua has never said that. Or at least I've never seen it. It's Boogua, and I've never argued for the late 90s. I've never said that they sucked, but if you ever notice when I talk about the 90s it's pretty much always the early 90s.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 10:34 PM) Kawhi Leonard just made LeBron his b**** this game. Kawhi f***ing Leonard. He's a more athletic Scottie Pippen.... Okay, I'll stop. Sorry.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 10:12 PM) Proof? Take your lazy ass to bball reference. I'm not typing out all these numbers when there right there for you. The 90's was a slow-it-down to a snails pace style with teams totally diluted by a 6-team expansion. Offenses are so much more advanced now. Look at what the Spurs are doing right now. This is pure basketball. Thugball Pacers/Knicks is out. You just named two teams. I thought one team played with the hand check and played tougher basketball. Sigh. When will you stop? I like how you call me lazy, but never provide anything of substance. Funny. And I never said anything great about the 80s. I don't know where you're getting that. Making things up again I see.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 10:00 PM) lol. You've been jackin' off to hand-checking, more physical, tougher, blah, blah, for as long as you've been here. Exactly one team played that style. In the 90s? You think so, huh. Dude, please, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. You tried to call me out on the 80s, but couldn't back it up with proof (as always). I even said lebron would definitely be successful in the 80s because of how it was played (pace and such). Whatever, I just couldn't resist the making a jab at lebron and that was my fault. We can ignore each other again.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 09:55 PM) Ha. Don't get mad because your defense was better in the 80's crap was debunked. Even the worst teams in the league scored over 100 points. Get outta here. Please quote me when I said 80s defense was better. Thanks.