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I'd rather have Luke Scott than Manny, looking forward.

If you're planning on trading Viciedo with Jackson for Dunn, why not just go to the Dodgers and offer them Viciedo for Manny? Manny + Jackson > Dunn.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:53 PM) What is the FIP statistic? Fielding Independent Pitching. Formula - ((HR * 13) + ((NIBB + HBP) * 3) - (K * 2))/Innings pitched + 3.2 It measures all the things a pitcher can control and it is a very good indicator of future success (xFIP more so).

QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:49 PM) The Garza stuff was out there before he threw a no hitter. So I would say that Rizzo is serious about raiding a team. I don't care when it took place, Matt Garza for Adam Dunn is flatout stupid.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:47 PM) Lucas Harrell says hi. His 5.8 FIP also says hi.

Just in case Kenny doesn't get anything and people start to riot.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:32 PM) Isn't Cantu much better thank Kotsay? Yes he is.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:30 PM) Don't they have to offer him a deal/offer arb. to get that? They're not doing that. Who says they won't? The arbitration might be $15 million, but if Dunn is coming off such a great year, I'm sure he'll look for a big deal elsewhere.

This looks bad.

We're nowhere near fine as is. If you want to win the World Series, you get a bat. This offense won't hit come September as-is. I'd say with this current team, we have a 50-60% shot at this division.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:52 PM) Our offense, even with the mess of Kotsay, Jones, and AJ, showed they were more than good enough to get the job done in July. The question is if they can keep it up. The answer is no.

No way in hell Kotsay should be in.

Cowley says Manny deal is pretty much dead.

#mlb #dodgers #white sox The White Sox have yet to even hear a counter-offer from Dodgers on Manny, let alone engage in talks. WS moving on. Looks like we're not getting him.

The Manny nostalgia would be crazy if we get him. I don't care about the $16 million anymore.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:43 AM) ZiPS projects a .924 OPS the rest of the way for Manny.

The Sox have a huge advantage over the Rays for Manny. We have money, they don't. The Dodgers can really care less for prospects if they have to pick salary up.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:31 AM) Heyman says Dodgers asked for Viciedo, LOL. Absolutely ridiculous.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:29 AM) The divorce that is at the center of the Dodgers true PR debacle is probably what would really drive this deal. I really dont think LA fans would be up in arms if they dumped Manny for nothing, he hasnt played all that much and he hasnt translated to a world series victory. They may work out a deal for a prospect, but I think getting out from under the financial obligation would be ideal for McCourt I'm sure the Dodgers would love to do it, I've said that, but they'd love it even more if they can get a decent prospect back. Give them Brent Morel at most I say.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:28 AM) So if you're the White Sox, does giving the McCourts $5 million right now, today, cash on the table...and Chase Blackwood, get you Manny Ramirez for two months? lol at least Chase would be closer to home (maybe).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:17 AM) I think they should acknowledge the money they will be saving going forward. Lets face it, they are in much better shape financially and defensively in the next couple years with Manny out of LF But can you imagine the reaction of the average fan to them giving away Manny for nothing? They don't know about Manny's contract status like some of us do. They have to get somebody worthwhile back. This has a lot of PR implications to it I imagine.

As Caufield says, Ramirez gets $15 million deferred from now until 2013. This would be an incredible salary dump for the Dodgers. If you get a deal like this done, you cannot give up anybody worthwhile. We're already f***ed with our salary next year, we can't really afford to spend this much money on a 2 month rental, let alone give up talent.

Tigers, Rays, Sox are the only teams left that are in on Dunn.

I don't want Manny Ramirez for $16 million. That's ridiculous. The Dodgers would love to do this deal, but they have to save face and get SOMEBODY back.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:12 AM) Heyman reports Menny would go to the Sox but Dodgers want big prospects back? Would you guys do it ?! No way. Why? This is why... You can now understand why Kenny wanted to give up nothing in return.