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QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 10, 2012 -> 11:49 AM) Ya that trade looks incredibly unrealistic. All the Padres get are Gavin Floyd and the Astros #12 prospect?? Not happening. I can see the 3 way deal Hahn was talking about being for Headley though just not that deal. Yeah the Padres don't get anywhere near enough in this deal. I have been one of Viciedo's biggest supporters on this board but if you can use him to get Headley, I would do it in a second. I just think they can get another OF. We have all mentioned that there are just not many guys like Chase Headley floating around out there.

Heyman and Rosenthal both have mentioned the last couple days that the White Sox are trying to sign Youkilis. Dodgers and Phillies also mentioned. With the Red Sox signing of David Ross, I would love to see the Sox go after Saltamacchia. He is reportedly available.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 11:32 AM) I'm not really guessing here either. I would be SHOCKED to see those two seriously on the block, it would be a super duper secret against all of the other discussions. Now I DO think we are after another OF'er, however thats because they are floating the idea of playing Dayan at 3B again. Do you think it's a decent name in a trade or an Ichiro type on the FA market?

Also, what does everyone think of rumor that Arizona is thinking of dealing Trevor Bauer? I know the main concerns are C and 3B but if they could get Bauer at a decent price, it's something I'd look into. He is really weird and has strange training methods but I think he's a future ace. I might be crazy though.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 11:27 AM) Yeah, the idea of us getting Moustakas is hilarious, Headley only slightly less so. As far as complete speculation goes, I like the idea of us moving Floyd and cash (and maybe some other prospect) to San Diego to get Gyorko. San Diego's moves indicate that they are moving toward contention (extending Street and Quentin, not moving Headley), and Gavin owuld KILL in Petco when lefties can't homer off of him. Gyorko is substantially worse than Headley, but would make a ton fo sense for the Sox. Anyway, I don't know if I'm valuing Floyd too highly, but that scenario, to me, at least seems somewhat plausible. You aren't valuing Floyd too highly but it's probably the wrong team. San Diego will probably play Gyorko at 2B if they keep Headley. Also, I don't think SD would want 1 year of Floyd at $9.5 million. Granted, that is a bargain, I think they want cost controllable arms with years of arbitration still coming.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 08:17 AM) Dump Dunn's deal if you can, free up cash Sign Victorino to replace DeAza with Floyd's salary Use Floyd & DeAza in deals for other pieces Sign Hafner & set up a platoon DH with Hafner vs. RHP & rotate PK/Viciedo/Rios/FA OF vs. LHP, to give the starters a rest while keeping their bats in the lineup If they dump Dunn's deal, then they might as well trade Rios, PK and anyone else that has value. Trading Dunn doesn't make you better. It leaves the team void of LH run producers. Yes I know that you suggested Hafner. If they trade Dunn they should completely rebuild. It's all a moot point though because unlike many posters on this board, I am pretty sure the White Sox front office wants to keep Dunn.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 07:43 AM) Who is this miracle 3B you speak of? I agree on this. We have heard the exorbitant cost for Headley. Moustakas is a pipe dream. If Youkilis is willing to come back, that's the move I'd make. With Dunn and PK on this roster still, the Sox have to make an effort to compete. This would also give them some more time to find the long term answer at 3B.

Blue Jays Close To Deal With Maicer Izturis Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/blue...gDVsagMDXLT6.99

QUOTE (balfanman @ Nov 8, 2012 -> 07:42 AM) How long has it been since Young has played 3rd base? Would a trade for Young / or Beltre happen for say Rios and various parts? They are losing Hamilton right? So many questions but inquiring minds want to know. It has also been reported that Texas is chasing Adam LaRoche. That means Mike Olt is probably available. They don't have a spot for him to play.

QUOTE (ROC Sox Fan @ Nov 6, 2012 -> 08:36 PM) Yea I mean, alcohol and crack cocaine abuse is bad. But are there studies out there that show they directly lead to a more injury prone athlete? I get the assumptions. That s*** ain't healthy, but what data is there to back it up? It's not always an injury though with him. Sometimes, he does something that he shouldn't be doing and goes in a 2 week funk. I just don't trust his mental state. He's very fragile. Every road trip, there is a chance that he'd wonder off and find himself somewhere he shouldn't be. It has happened before. He's a hell of a talent. So much risk though.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 6, 2012 -> 11:35 AM) Please stop. This is not absolute fact but merely opinion that cannot be universally applied to all batters in all slots. If your eyes told you that Adam Dunn helped the team more than he hurt it this year then that's your opinion. My opinion is that he, along with a few other hitters, killed us. He hurt us the most because he placed an unfeared, auto-out in between our stack of good hitters. Just because he hit 41 pitches hard this year does not discount the other 1500 that fooled him. Stats aside I'd rate the offense like this: DeAza- tough out Youk- tough out Dunn- easy out PK- tough out Rios- tough out AJ- tough out Tank- easy out Alexei- easy out Jimmy- easy out IMO Dunn was the biggest problem. But he clearly wasn't the biggest problem. If he were an easy out he would not walk as much as he does. He committed fewer outs than more than half the team. If this is your opinion, then I really don't have any use for your opinion. Its just flat out wrong.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 6, 2012 -> 02:39 AM) I'm sure he understands it quite clearly. The fact of the matter is, GMs not only see money in the production a player puts on the field (which is all FGs WAR does), but they also see money in marketing plus money in a potential playoff appearance. If spending $25 million on one player for one year makes an owner $45 million because of additional attendance plus an extended playoff run, how does that play in, even if he is "only" worth $21 million per FanGraphs WAR? This is not as black and white as you make it seem. I understand and agree with you guys on this. There is an inherent risk with signing Hamilton though. All of the substance abuse problems would sway me the other way. I just never thought the man was ready to take on the lifestyle of a MLB player. Any owner that signs Hamilton has to know that there's a chance of relapse and the contract being a complete waste.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 4, 2012 -> 01:48 PM) Benet played a great second half. Now, can Benet beat Downers North? They can beat DGN. North wasn't that good in the regular season. They have real good Sophomore QB David Edwards. Benet is the better football team. Sometimes that doesn't matter though.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 6, 2012 -> 09:59 AM) In search of the next Quintana or Veal? http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospe...ee-agents-2012/ I know I am Captain Obvious with this but those were two very sweet signings. I liked the Veal one at the time but didn't know much about Quintana.

Today is the start of the GM Meeting. While they aren't as active as the winter meetings, things still get done there. I believe that Santos deal last year and the Garcia for Floyd/Gio was also done at the GM Meetings.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 3, 2012 -> 11:25 AM) I saw Aaron Bailey play last night. It was his first game back since spraining his knee midseason. He can run, but he wasn't impressive through the air. I don't know how much of that was rust though. They don't really let him throw very often. With what Illinois has I would bet that he plays a lot as a Frosh net year. However, if he has aspirations to make a career out of football it will be at a different position. He had plenty of offers to attend better football schools but they would not commit to him playing QB. He is a brick s***house though. If you went to the game not knowing who he was you would assume he was their MLB. Real good kid too.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 01:38 PM) I think the Sox would be doing handstands in joy if somebody would take Dunn and his contract off the Sox hands. Do you all at least agree on that? I always thought Bulls fans were generally the dumbest in Chicago. Comments like this make me think otherwise. Enjoy Dan Johnson starting DH.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 03:10 AM) Asking price for Headley is atronomical. Talks would begin and end with Sale. If that's the case then I would bet that Headley stays with SD. They would have to accept less than that from someone, especially with teams knowing that they want to play Gyorko at 3B at some point.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:14 AM) Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS #cubs and #redsox among teams in on Dan Haren trade talks. north siders a new entry. If the Cubs got Haren they would bank on him being good and receiving a prospect or two at the deadline for him. Probably not a bad move for a team that has $$ to spend on a rebuilding effort.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:38 AM) Be interesting to see if we the fans get any info after the meetings concerning team priorities I'd rather not have any of the information and have them do their jobs well. It will be curious to see if info is generally as secretive with Hahn in charge. Obviously, the Youkilis move was talked about forever but Liriano and Myers fit the old MO. All of a sudden there were tweets and those players were on the White Sox. I wonder if that will change at all.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) He shouldn't be batting 3rd, and if you think Adam Dunn is worth $15 million a year, you should be an agent. I am assuming you would have Rios bat 3rd then correct? Dunn was on base 220 times in 649 PA's. He made 429 outs on the season. Hit 41 homers and walked 108 times. Rios was on base 219 times in 640 PA's. He made 421 outs on the season. Rios had 184 hits and walked 29 times. Dunn on the other hand only had 110 hits. This is where the walks and HR's come into play. Dunn had a down year and his OBP and OPS were way down. But he still was on base about as much as Rios.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 07:48 AM) If you pay someone $15 million a year, the thought is for him to do the damage, not try leave it up to someone else. If it doesn't translate into runs, its a pretty meaningless event. Not all walks are created equal. If you think with the same line ups if every player walked the exact same time Adam Dunn walked, the runs created would be the same, I think you're way off. You can get hung up Dunn's walks all you want, but the truth is for most slow footed guys, walks aren't nearly as productive as they are for others. Not that they are totally unproductive, but Adam Dunn walking 105 times isn't nearly as valuable as say Alejandro De Aza walking 105 times. \ Did it bother you when Frank Thomas did it? Frank would frequently take a walk instead of driving in a run. I suppose Frank should have been giving himself up to drive and drive in the runs?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 1, 2012 -> 01:49 PM) I don't personally hate Dunn and don't sense hatred per se on here. He contributed to a lot of wins last year, both halves. I'm thinking he stunk down the stretch as did most of our players/pitchers. I just don't like his style. I never understood why these big brutes never try to hit to all fields. That shift victimized him a lot. And personally his strikeouts are annoying. I don't hate him and applaud him for his game winning type hits last year but I wish he'd go far away. Do you think flyouts, groundouts, line outs, pop outs, etc are annoying as well? Go and research how many players on the Sox committed more outs than Dunn. You'll most likely find the data quite interesting.

Does anyone think the Sox will sniff around Ichiro again? What about a guy like Grady Sizemore? Sizemore has been destroyed by injuries, but if he didn't cost anything, Id consider taking a shot.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 1, 2012 -> 09:53 AM) Who would want him at $28 large over 2 yrs? The Dunn hate is and always will be mind boggling to me. The White Sox should trade Dunn and then what? They would be looking for another LH power bat to replace him with. Some of the people that post on this board don't deserve to see a winning team. Dunn's .OBP was down last year and he will always strike out a ton. But 40 + HR's annually and over 100 walks is something that is not given enough credit on this board and in most places. People need to get over the fact that their eyes tell them that a strikeout is the worst thing in the world. All the bad players that have come through town and people hate the guy that will end his career near 600 homers.