Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 02:45 PM) Well, he doesn't have to be a sub-2 ERA guy for the rest of the year to want to opt out. But if his last 15 starts of the year or so result in an ERA in the 3's in a hitters ballpark, I could see him possibly opting out to go to a team that is NOT rebuilding like the Sox may be. No way in hell is James Shields opting out, it's simply not happening. The guy is guaranteed $42M over the next two years. He is not getting more than that as a free agent. I think there's a better chance he retires than opting out.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) Well, I guess James Shields is the only guy that *COULD* be an expiring deal if he pitches well enough to opt out. I still think he's a better candidate for an August trade anyway though. The odds of Shields keeping this performance up is incredibly low. His periphials suck and some serious regression should be expected. All it takes is one s***ty start for him to destroy all the goodwill he's developed over the past 5 starts. Deal him now while there still is some interest.

My concern is this front office simply doesn't know how to sell. I'm trying to think of players they've sold at the deadline in years past and I can only think of terrible and/or meaningless deals. Ray Durham for Jon Adkins. James Baldwin for three low level prospects, one of which was a player they weren't expecting (Berry vs Barry). Thome & Iguchi for basically nothing (not suggesting they had value). Hell, Jesse Crain went from highly desirable asset to completely worthless by the time we moved him (bad luck there). Point is I can't recall the last time we made a sale of significance at the deadline, let alone under this regime. Maybe I'm overlooking some deals, but I'm a bit worried they're in over their heads. Not sure they get the market is always fluid and if you overplay your hand, another seller can pop in and totally change the dynamics. You got to act swiftly at times and be patient at others. It's a very challenging process, one that requires quick, decisive decision-making. And here we stand, 50 hours remaining until the deadline and we've done absolutely nothing. Even if they want to be patient with Sale & Quintana, they should have been aggressive with some of their lesser assets. If the price for Shields is any indication of the asks for their other players, then teams will quickly find cheaper alternatives. Right now, it almost feels like they think they're the only shop in town and won't budge from their ridiculous demands. I hope that isn't the case, but I have a bad feeling we're going to be the one team without a chair when the music finally stops.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 12:28 PM) This team is jack without Sale. We simply don't have the depth to absorb the blow without starting over. This team is jack with Sale though. What would you suggest they do? Hold pat? I don't see how gradual improvements over the next three years will be enough when Chris will be exiting via free agency in 2020. Starting over is really our only option.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 11:55 AM) Thinking of the possibilities and being teased is fun, but I think JR would rather reload in the offseason then sell off assets. I'd say it is unlikely Sale or Quintana get traded. While I'm sure Reinsdorf would love to reload, I'm not sure how that's even possible. He'd have to spend like crazy on the few attractive free agents and/or give up pretty much everything of value in an already depleted system. Quite frankly, I don't think Hahn could make a realistic business case for competing next year even if he wanted to. That doesn't mean they go full rebuild, but there should definitely be some selling.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) Genuinely curious what you guys think is the likelihood of this happening. I'm somewhere around 10% right now. Chance of Sale getting moved? I'd say 50/50. Pretty much every AL contender outside of the Indians could use him. Out of those teams, the Red Sox, Rangers, & Astros have what it takes to pull off a deal. Adding Sale would not only improve their chances of making the playoffs, but would give them an edge over their opponents in a one game playoff or in October. The same applies to the Dodgers and without Kershaw their chances of going far is fairly small. Throw in the Yankees who seem to very interested in Sale despite their place in the standings and that's five teams with the resources & motivation to pull off a deal. It all depends on how well Hahn pits these teams against one another. The interest for Sale will be there, it's all comes down to Hann convincing one of them to do something stupid. Otherwise, Hahn can wait until the offseason to make his move.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 11:07 AM) I would rather get position prospects for each. The one thing this organization does well is draft arms. Draft the arms. Get other teams' positional talent. Not only that, but ones that are near major league ready. The less we develop these guys the better.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) Not only that, but the way Sale's and Quintana's last few starts have gone are huge reminders of why we just cannot capitalize on this current roster construction. They practically have to be perfect to win. I will be disappointed if we don't take advantage of this opportunity. 100% agree. I think Hahn has come to accept this reality. The question is whether or not Reinsdorf will allow the front office to do the right thing and take advantage of this crazy seller's market.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 09:35 AM) Peter Gammons‏ @pgammo Following Scott Lauber's story, word around Chisox Friday was that they had scouts at every Red Sox farm games last night Honestly, it's almost too quiet on the Boston-Sale front, makes me think there could be serious discussions happening. I can't think of a more perfect pairing for a trade than our two teams. They need a top of the rotation starter and we need positional prospects. This tweet makes me cautiously optimistic. Also, I really feel like the Yankees could be a dark horse for Sale depending on what they get back in a potential Miller trade. Right now, they have some interesting pieces, but not the headliner you'd need in a Sale trade. If they got a guy like Giolito in return for Miller, suddenly they become a feasible trade partner. Giolito, Torres or Mateo, Sanchez, & Judge is a very solid starting point. The Yankees being a serious option for Sale might even get the Red Sox to up the ante.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) Boston wants a World Series this year especially w Ortiz exiting and Shields could be that piece to put them over the top. Dude, just stop. James Shields is bad and isn't putting any team over the top, let the alone the Red Sox who need a top of the rotation and not a fringe back-end guy. And just because the Red Sox don't have an obvious place for him right now (3B & LF are options down the road), doesn't mean they will give up Moncada for pennies on the dollar. The will only move him if they're getting an elite player in return such as Chris Sale.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 08:08 AM) I wonder if he could be had for a Shields + Fulmer right now. Gives Boston pitching now and for the future w/o having to unload a lot of prospects. Did you honestly just propose the #1 prospect in baseball for Shields & Fulmer? That has to be one the most ridiculous trade proposals I have ever seen on this board. You're undervaluation of Moncada is quite humorous.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 10:54 PM) I miss Myles Jaye. ? Myles Jaye was traded for Will Lamb.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 10:53 PM) This game is going to end in perfect time for me to watch the grand opening of Tesla's Gigafactory livestream. I have no idea what the f*** any of this means.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 10:52 PM) 1B still involves defense and that's not there. His defense isn't the problem, it's his lack of hitting this year. The DH spot would be an option if he was 2015 Abreu.

He'll either get a double play or allow a grand slam.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 10:50 PM) He's a typical KW guy. He can hit but the rest is s***. ? He's a 1B/DH, what the hell else is he supposed to do?

Kahnle about to lose this one for us.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 10:45 PM) Matters how he finishe and what he could get in arbitration. If he can get 15 million or so, you look to trade him after this season. Why? Money won't be an issue and our best bet is for him rebounding next year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 10:36 PM) Do they have to offer him arbitration after this year if he accepts that part of his contract? He looks finished Are you actually suggesting you wouldn't offer arbitration if you could???

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 09:25 PM) Could you imagine getting 5-6 good to great bats for Sale and Quintana? It's gotta be tempting. It's not only tempting, it the right thing to do. How can we honestly fix this mess? Look at how many holes we have in our lineup right now and then look at the state of our minor league system. The only potential impact hitter in the system that will be ready anytime soon is Collins. We have a few other interesting guys, but they are far from sure things of being even average regulars at the major league level. It's finally time to stop this re-tooling nonsense and attempt to build a team from the ground-up.

Blow this team up. This offense can not be salvaged anytime soon.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) Davidson was the same player at the same age. Both have tremendous power and both K way too much to make that power of value. Gallo has 80 grade power. He's on a different planet in terms of potential than Davidson.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 08:20 PM) He can't headline a deal for either of our SPs. The sox are smart enough that's why there's the Mazara talk. He can't headline a deal, sure, but he's very attractive IMO as the second piece, especially if you get Brinson back too.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 08:19 PM) Sale for Mazara, Profar, Ortiz and Tate. Positively do not want Gallo or Brinson. That's a horrible deal. Profar makes no sense for us at all due his limited control.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 08:18 PM) No interest in Gallo, we already have a guy with that skill set in Matt Davidson. Gallo has so much more potential than Davidson it's not even funny.