Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (InTheDriversSeat @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 12:54 PM) Sorry, please delte. I'm late. My apologies, didn't know if you were going to start one.

Mods, feel free to delete if necessary, but we're 25 minutes from first pitch with no gamethread. With the deadline only 14 hours away, figure a lot of people will be watching this one closely.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 12:29 PM) Will help the noble effort in increasing the Sox draft standing. Exactly, this is a good problem to have. Plus we may have Putnam, Petricka, & Webb coming back next year (not sure if any of their injuries push them into 2018), so it's not like the future is as ugly as it currently appears.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:59 AM) Honestly zero of the NYY prospects that aren't from CLE/CHC hold any appeal to me. They just seem like your run of the mill minor leaguers who are supposedly amazing prospects just because they're in the NY system. Disagree, I think there is some bias, but Sanchez & Judge are legit top 100 prospects. The other guys I'd want, Frazier, Torres, & Sheffield, aren't even Yankee prospects.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 12:02 PM) Robert Murray ‏@RobertMurrayFRS 18s19 seconds ago Cody Bellinger and Alex Verdugo not in the Double-A Tulsa Drillers lineup today, for what it's worth. #Dodgers Wow, those two would definitely be in a Sale or Quintana deal.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:31 AM) Boston has more star level prospects so Yankees would have to go quantity. Frazier,Torres, Sanchez,Severino couple fliers….Chance Adams, Jordan Montgomery, Dietrich Enns Frazier, Torres or Mateo, Sanchez, Judge, Sheffield, plus another projectable arm or two. That's the deal I'm demanding from the Yankees. Would not accept anything less for Sale.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) Only 2? I'm thinking they could make 4-6 more if they really wanted to. I would say they make at least two or three more. Robertson, one postion player, and one starter should all happen. If a Sale or Quintana deal goes down, then there's the potential for several more.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:54 AM) It certainly would be intriguing to see what Boston would do if they found out the Yankees were aggressively pursuing Sale. Trust me, if the Yankees are pursuing Sale, the Red Sox will certainly hear about it from Hahn. And now that the Yankees have the actual pieces to get a deal done, it will actually mean something to them. Hahn has some real leverage here.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:26 AM) How many seem like pretty sure fire All Stars though? Seems like many of them have major flaws. To trade Sale or Q, you need at least two that project at that level, if not three...with Colon for Sizemore, Branden Phillips and Cliff Lee being the template. I'm not a major league scout, but Frazier looks legit. Thrown in three more top 50 prospects, all whom are postion players and it's a good starting point. I'd want some arms too, and probably would require Justus Sheffield. IMO, that's a really nice offer. Not as good as one headlined by Moncada & Benintendi, but far better than what most clubs could offer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:17 AM) Since no one has said it, I am scared of the historical overrated nature of Yankees prospects. It's a fair point, no doubt, but Frazier is a legit headliner and I would probably demand a bit more quantity from them given their track record.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:04 AM) Aside from Torres who they just got from the Cubs, the Yankees have a pretty bad farm (IIRC). Although, with that addition + what they just got for Miller, perhaps it's better now. The Yankees have like 8 top 100 prospects, many of them position players. They have plenty enough to get a deal done.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 09:10 AM) https://twitter.com/RobRains/status/759749315191410688 Well this turned to out to be legit.

f***, liked Cleveland as a landing spot for Lucroy. Put some pressure on the other AL contenders.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 09:49 AM) Yeah, the thing with Duke is, he is one of the guys you don't have to move just to move...because you're going to need pen arms next year and he would be just as attractive at next year's deadline as this year's (if not more). Maybe they actually like this guy, because there was no reason to give Duke away. Yeah, I'm guessing they're higher on him than most. Just not sure what this accomplishes long-term when you have a guy like Adam Engel with far more upside sitting at AAA right now. Again, I think Tilson can be a nice 4th OF, but that's so far down our list of needs, I'm shocked they went there first. Plus we already have a lack of power throughout our OF. Oh well, at the very least they better be planning on calling him up soon. No reason at this point not to give him the CF job for two months and see what you have.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 09:40 AM) Tilson, a Wilmette native and New Trier H.S. grad, was rated by Baseball America as the Fastest Baserunner in the STL organization in '13. https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/759760283732680704 New Trier GM acquire New Trier minor leaguer. Somewhat sketchy IMO. Anyways, not a huge fan at first glance. Guy looks like JB Shuck's replacement, i.e. a 4th OF. I obviously wasn't expecting a ton for Duke, but would have rather gambled on a lower level prospect with upside than a high floor, limited ceiling type.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 09:14 AM) As I posted yesterday, Kimbrall was making a rehab start last night. According to Boston Globe, he will be reactivated on Monday. So they will not want Robertson. Maybe Duke would attract their interest. Also it appears Benintendi may be recalled to play LF for their stretch run after their road trip. He may now be off the trade board as Boston continues to add young players with last names beginning w B. Just because they have Kimbrel coming back soon, doesn't mean they wouldn't be interested in another back-end reliever. Robertson would still be a weapon for them. And where did you see anything about Benintendi coming up? He has 258 plate appearances in AA, that would be an absurd rush job.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 09:14 AM) It seems crazy how little has happened thus far, White Sox or otherwise... If the Sox are serious about making multiple moves this deadline, then I'd fully expect something to go down today. There's absolutely no excuse for not moving Robertson & Duke. Melky is having a very nice offensive year and his value will never be higher. The only thing that could be holding us back on them is perhaps some of these suitors are also interested in Sale or Quintana. That could complicate their markets. The same apples to Shields & Gonzalez. At some point though, the Sox simply can't executive four or five moves at the same time. If nothing goes down today, I'm going to be real worried that the Sox will be standing pat.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 08:30 AM) Honestly ship one of each sale and q to one and the other. Who ever loses out on sale can have Quintana. The sox should be able to rebuild very quick I'd deal Sale now and look into dealing Quintana in the offseason. The big difference between these two guys is stuff and the potential to dominate a playoff game or series. As good as Q is, if I needed a starter for a one game playoff (as the Red Sox would at the moment), it's going to be hands down Sale. The same goes for any playoff series, as Sale simply has the stuff to carry a team in October. The idea of having Sale for four post-season runs has to be incredibly attractive to the Red Sox as it fits perfect with their core of position players. Quintana, on the other hand, is the definition of durable/reliable top of the rotation starter. While he would no doubt help a team in the playoffs, his value is in his ability to greatly help a team get there. With an extra year of control and ever more team friendly contract, there should be plenty of interest in him from both large and small market teams. I would rather have as many suitors as possible, including the losers in the Sale sweepstakes, bidding on him. That requires dealing him in the offseason. Not against dealing him now if blown away, but I think you're better off putting teams against one another for Sale than having teams competing for two similar assets. The idea there can only be one winner should drive up the return.

This is Andrew Miller trade is great news for us on the Sale front. First off, the Indians are now loaded and arguably the best team in the AL. With their pitching staff, I know I wouldn't face them in the playoffs. That has to motivate other contenders like the Red Sox, Rangers, & Astros to improve their clubs. Second, the Yankees have stacked their farm system with the Chapman & Miller trades. A deal built around Frazier (#21), Mateo (#19) or Torres (#27), Sanchez (#36), & Judge (#42) would be incredibly attractive to us. So not only do we now have another bidder in the mix who has the pieces to make Sale deal happen, this same team is also the biggest rival for the organization that we'd most like to make a deal with in the Red Sox. I know some posters here like to pretend rivalries shouldn't matter, but the reality is they do. Imagine how much the Red Sox fanbase would meltdown if the Yankees, not legit even playoff contenders, landed one of the favorites for the AL Cy Young today or tomorrow. This is the exact scenario we were hoping for all along, two teams desperately competing against one another for the same player. All we need is one of them to do something stupid. Not saying it's going to happen, but we're in a much better spot today than we were yesterday.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 07:47 AM) And this is why even had the sox season gone a little better we were still forcing issue. We had no farm to compete for deals like Indians did. And this officially makes the "one last run in 2017" plan lunacy for us. We're currently 9.5 games behind a team that's added Lucroy & Miller, both under control next year, and who still has arguably a better farm system then us. Blow this team up and look towards 2019 to be competive, when our young players might be ready and when we can finally flex our finacial muscle in an elite free agent class over our small market competitors.

Price for Lucroy seems pretty reasonable. Can't believe no else could top it. Hopefully this puts some pressure on Boston, Texas, & Houston to make some deals.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 10:51 PM) Off the top of my head, that actually may not be enough, when you add up the current & surplus value. At the same time, Boston might not need a ~2 WAR SP for the rest of this season to compete. WTF? Surely you can't be seriously?!

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 09:52 PM) First all you need to do us define a true White Sox fan I have no idea what this means, but you saying this team already has all it needs to compete next year falls outside of reality and doesn't make you a better fan than anyone else.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 09:37 PM) We have our closer and rest of the team we need for 2017 Why do you feel the need to post this nonsense?

QUOTE (Insp @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 08:57 PM) Interesting how once Ventura throws the game away, people show up here in droves............. Interesting how you post this every game....