Chicago White Sox

I'll be there, so please don't rain!

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) Inside Alabama’s Auto Jobs Boom: Cheap Wages, Little Training, Crushed Limbs The South’s manufacturing renaissance comes with a heavy price. What does this have to do with Trump?

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) I think they'll win in the low 70s, but I actually think this team will be with 5 games of .500 in early June. I don't think we're anywhere near as bad as some people around here think/want us to be. That said, once Melky is given away, and Frazier is traded for whatever we can get, and Robertson and perhaps Jones are moved, and fringe guys like Gonzalez, Holland and Soto are moved, this team is going to be bad. Which I think will result in something in the high 60s, low 70s wins, and somewhere between the 5th and 10th pick. I used to feel this way, but I now believe this team will simply suck. The rotation is going to be a mess, the defense will be below average at best, and there are several significant holes in the lineup. And once we trade guys like Quintana, Frazier, Melky, Jones, & Robertson things will only get worse. This team is not going to win 70+ games unless they get incredibly lucky or have some unforeseen breakthrough performances.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 10:03 AM) You are way too concerned about this for a team that should be bad. He hasn't accepted we're rebuilding yet.

I'll go with 68 wins for next year.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 11:01 AM) They need the prospect haul that Q will bring back to maximize the rebuild. he'll be in his early 30's by the time they are good again and will need to be paid also. Keeping Q doesn't make much sense. 100% agree. We can't pass on quality offers for a guy like Q this early in the rebuild process. The opportunity cost of keeping him through two or three lost seasons is simply too high.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 07:38 PM) Everyone seems to think that the Sox would benefit from him being in the upcoming J2 class but I'm not sure it matters. If he's in the class, the Sox could offer him $8.3 million (after trading for $3.5 million in space). Some small market teams could theoretically pay him $10 million though. I'm not sure it matters but those are the facts. If he's cleared prior to June 15th, it's all about $$. It's not like the big boys are involved though. San Diego, St. Louis, and Houston will be big players in this scenario. The White Sox really can't outbid those teams though if they want the guy? I know the Padres have spent $80 million internationally this year. Would they really pump that up to $120-$130 million to sign Robert? If Reinsdorf can't win a bidding war with those teams, we are probably doomed anyway. 100% agree with all of this. The Sox should be able to win a bidding war here. All the teams in play have either been huge spenders or will likely need resources for their major league team. The Sox need elite positional talent and adding Robert is like getting a 1-1 draft pick. His addition would be a game changer for the rebuild. Suddenly, a positional core built around Robert, Anderson, Moncada, & Collins seems pretty legit. If you believe Robert can stick in CF, you're basically covered up the middle and only have to add corner guys in the coming years. And that isn't going to be insanely difficult between trades (Quintana, Jones, Robertson, Frazier), free agents (Donaldson, Machado, McCutchen, etc.), high draft picks in 2017 & 2018, & existing assets in the system (Basabe, Call, Fisher, Michelczewksi, Delmonico, etc.)

I don't think the class really matters. The Sox will be going all out for this guy. Not only does he add another potential impact positional player to the org to go with Anderson, Moncada, & Collins, he also represents a huge PR win for the rebuild. Unless a team like the Astros does something ridiculous (i.e. Moncada money), I fully expect us to land him regardless of class.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 10:18 AM) I understand why we are giving Davidson a chance but I don't see it ending well. Hope it does! but 57ab and 25k is not looking promising. Odds are it won't, but there's nothing to lose at this point IMO. The other options for his role, primarily Delmonico, could use a bit more seasoning in AAA.

I know the roster is pretty much set, but when will they officially announce it?

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 09:26 PM) New reports on the White Sox international signings are up at Baseball America: https://t.co/j98MbHQwa5 https://twitter.com/BenBadler/status/847133476637822976 Like all teams, #WhiteSox will attend Luis Robert's Thurs workout. Think they intend to be in mix no matter if he's in 6/15 class or 7/2. https://t.co/TULBZZl3ek https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/847266091982127105 The hype is real...

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 10:29 AM) Oh its a hike to the Kave Is that the only place selling craft beers or will there be some individual stands?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 08:52 AM) The list came out, and holy s*** its pretty good. Obviously some will not like it all, but there is a nice selection. I personally like thats its not all IPA-based. The pilsners are a nice selection of some of my favorites. Having Oberon is a win/win. I'm a huge Oberon fan, so that makes me pretty happy. Just hope you don't have to go on a hike to find it.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 10:18 AM) Dodgers seem content to hang onto their prospects right now Would a Bellinger, Alvarez and Verdugo package be enough? That would be an incredible package and one I don't see the Dodgers offering.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 07:43 PM) With the pitchers we already have in our system, I am OK building a deal without Martes, but then there has to be some quantity to make up for it. Theoretically, I could do a deal without Martes, but then you're talking about a 5 for 1 that included Tucker, Reed, Perez, Whitley, & another OF (Fisher, Hernandez, or Laureano). No way in hell the Astros would do that though.

QUOTE (Baron @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 05:01 PM) Right I'm just counting the Pirates completely out. Plus they just cant give away prospects. It's just gonna take a team like the Dodgers or a team like that for a trade to actually happen. I'm not holding my breath. I still think he's here beyond next offseason. Someone will budge at the deadline IMO. Astros may well reconsider if one or more of their guys underperform. Yankees could be players if they are in the wild card mix come June/July. I wouldn't rule out the Cubs or Dodgers if they have a big injury. Should be plenty of teams interested before the deadline and all it takes is one to panic for us to get a quality return. I do agree with you that they need move Quintana this season though.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) The guy likes to golf. So do millions of Americans. Let him enjoy his four years. He won't be re-elected. Your trolling has reached pathetic levels.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 08:11 AM) I doubt the cash considerations will cover lunch. His defense has been slipping. He can't hit with power, doesn't hit for average, doesn't make much contact, doesn't get on base, and doesn't steal many bases. He was going to be a mediocre placeholder at best. Seriously, no one was giving up anything of value for this guy. This move is 100% about using playing time, which is an asset during a rebuild, on a player who actually has a non-zero chance of becoming part of the long term mix. Give May the CF job for now and see if Asche can develop into a useful bench piece. Bourjos's poor bat and detoriating defense wasn't going to offer us much.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 07:10 AM) So you would have cut him, but you are annoyed that the Sox traded him for cash considerations? People will literally complain about anything.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:15 PM) Liriano can't play CF. Leury is backup CF. Doesn't change much. Bench of: Sanchez, Leury, Soto, and Asche IMO. You're missing CF now that Tilson is injured, which means those four plus May now.

QUOTE (Superstar Lamar @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 01:14 PM) while the bats were in their pre arbitration years and out of necessity Didn't the Ricketts have to take on a bunch of new minority partners to support this new spending?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 12:55 PM) Yes. It's crazy to expect a team that is slashing payroll, going into a total rebuild to bid on what many consider the second best international prospect in the world because it might cost them a 16 year old or 2 the next couple of years. Out of control expectation. I actually think it's lunacy to just expect the same old White Sox. We've gone in a completely direction and the way our front office operates will be different as a result. We literally just traded two cost-controlled stars in one offseason, something that our organization has never done before. Now that our short-term goal is talent accumulation and not winning, it's crazy to think they won't change their ways. And that may mean going over their international budget for the first time, which Hahn has clearly stated is something they are considering.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) Doesn't seem like the White Sox thing either. Rebuilding doesn't seem like a White Sox thing either, but clearly that's happening. I don't think you can simply assume the way we've operated in the past in indicative of how we'll operate in the future.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) Capable? Sure. But they just don't historically outbid everyone for players. Even a guy like Abreu had an element of fluke to him. None of the top payroll teams had a place for Jose to play, which left the White Sox as a tall midget. They made a bid on Soler, but were significantly outbid by the Cubs. That is much more typical of the White Sox in the open market. They come in second much more often than they come in first. But none of the top payroll teams can sign Robert. It's very similar to the Abreu situation. If it's us against the Padres, I'll take my chances that we can win the bidding war. To bmags point, the Padres have already spent a f***ton of money on international free agents in the last 12 months. At some point they'll run out of cash, whereas we have spent very little in this area.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 08:46 AM) Yes, there are some of the bigger spenders are out either way. It all depends on what he gets. If he gets what Moncada got, $30 million plus $30 million penalty, I'd be shocked the Sox won the bidding. But Boston can't offer that. Who can? If he is as good as many think, he fits in perfectly with any team, and is exactly the type of player the White Sox are looking to add. Acquiring him is like having an extra #1/1 pick in the draft or an extra ace to trade. Wasn't Maitan considered the top prospect in this past year's class and he only got $4.25M? Obviously Robert is a different situation given his age and proximity to the majors, but I don't see him getting anything close to Moncada money.